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The Good, Bad and Ugly of Neal Brown

His demeanor. His on field actions. His off field actions. His snarky retorts to anyone who questioned him. His colluding with Houston before the season was over. His lack of recruiting efforts. His actions with the Houston "mafia". There are hundreds more examples DumbBuck. Of course you being you will refuse to accept them.

His "demeanor"? There are many many coaches that get upset on the sideline when things go wrong or right.

That doesn't mean anything but that he was trying to succeed and likes to get things executed the way he drew them up.

Houston? All innuendo as far as what happened behind the scenes, but coaches leave all the time and WVU didn't seem interested in re signing him or extending him so he was obviously going to have feelers out in case--although in that case Houston courted him.

There are no other "examples", just the usual trolling lies and innuendo--which for you pass as fact. No checking, no corroboration. Nothing but what you want to believe Tool.
 
Woo, boy, we need for football season to start. Some people obviously are going bonkers waiting for it to happen. I prefer to evaluate what I see on the field and TV by my alma mater. Come on, James Madison opener!!!!

I agree--I want to see what happens on the field. Its the only thing that matters, not some b.s. "values" that is just a distraction and excuse from actually winning football games and competing well.

Hope the new coach gets it done and leaves the "values" in the locker room.
 
Woo, boy, we need for football season to start. Some people obviously are going bonkers waiting for it to happen. I prefer to evaluate what I see on the field and TV by my alma mater. Come on, James Madison opener!!!!


LOL at a troll post from an 80 year old. There might be hope for you after all. I haven’t seen a post lately about how much money you have or that you were a sports writer for a local paper with very little coverage. I did catch your piece about the Fairmont Slobberknockers woman’s powder puff football team. Great read!!!
 
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Not sure of the credentials of Brad Smith, sounds more like he has a chip on his shoulder against WV media (maybe they won't hire him) than any real opinions about WVU sports in general. However, nothing he mentions is out of the realm of the existing record on NB, perhaps the recruiting assessment is off base as there seems to be some pretty darn good things happening on that front. I'd rate the article with a very strong....MEH!

Is that the Brad Smith that lost the career rushing record to Pat White?
 
I agree--I want to see what happens on the field. Its the only thing that matters, not some b.s. "values" that is just a distraction and excuse from actually winning football games and competing well.

Hope the new coach gets it done and leaves the "values" in the locker room.

Values are important to human beings, unlike yourself. Having no values could mean you would rather cheat to win than play by the rules.

I hope you are prepared for a down year with a possible record of 4-8.
 
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https://mountaineersports.com/how-did-dana-holgorsen-last-so-long-at-wvu/

Dana Holgorsen morals are as sparse as the hairs on the top of his head. His antics on the sideline as well as his post-game interviews were downright embarrassing.

West Virginia University’s motto is “Add to your faith virtue and to virtue knowledge.” Holgorsen wouldn’t know virtue if it bit him on his ass. His moral standards are questionable at best.

When he was escorted out of a casino drunk and then Athletic Director Oliver Luck passed it off as “inappropriate behavior” without punishment, it was his only public stain on his reputation, but Holgorsen will never be considered a high character guy.

Holgorsen’s teams were often able to out-score Big 12 opponents, but WVU never reached its full potential under him. He wasn’t unsuccessful enough to be fired. Both parties suffered through years of mediocrity.

Dana Holgorsen is where he always wanted to be, Texas. He would’ve taken any job in Texas as long as the money was comparable. Holgorsen can claim that the challenge of building Houston into a top-tier Power 5 program is what drew him there, but the truth is he simply never fit in West Virginia and never belonged in Morgantown.

At an open-air bar in Houston a tune booms through the speakers and elicits plenty of chuckles. It’s John Denver's Almost heaveeen, West Virginiaaaa! A smiling Holgorsen surveys the half-empty bar and then looks to his friends. “That’s my cue to leave.”

TYPICAL...
 
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Values are important to human beings, unlike yourself. Having no values could mean you would rather cheat to win than play by the rules.

I hope you are prepared for a down year with a possible record of 4-8.


Everyone has "values". Someone's personal values has nothing to do with winning football games. Holgorsen had values, probably quite similar to Brown's but you didn't like them or him, and certainly didn't like his record even though he remains one of the winningest coaches in WVU history--and against the toughest schedules ever faced.

You are the one that needs to be prepared for a down year. If Holgorsen provided what may happen, people would be screaming for his head just as they did when he won 10 games. But now, no one is supposed to care because some like the new coaches "values"?
 
Just reading the first page it is obvious many don't want to consider the OP article has any substance. It doesn't read as an unreasonable take on the situation and yet Neal Brown is the only one who can alter these perceptions. Being cast in 8th by Big 12 coaches would seem to support some of what's written in the article.

It's funny as the same things were claimed about Dana when he arrived. Some of the same people bucked that idea but others who believed these things about Dana are now complaining about them being written about Brown.

I'm certain of only this...Brown will write his own story at WVU and the experiences that Don, Rod and Dana had do not apply. The possibilities are all open from the best of those régimes to the worst of them. Until these things play out, all opinions of our future based in reality have validity.

It's a positive sign so many are defensive of NB's program. If so many had been supportive of Dana from the start, the program would be better for that today.
 
leaves the "values" in the locker room.

I have very seldom paid attention to your moronic posts but this line was worth reading. Wow. You are not only inbred stupid, but pathetic as well. Then again if your parents had any values you wouldn't be here lol. You are truly a DumbBuck there he/she or it.
 
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Everyone has "values". Someone's personal values has nothing to do with winning football games. Holgorsen had values, probably quite similar to Brown's but you didn't like them or him, and certainly didn't like his record even though he remains one of the winningest coaches in WVU history--and against the toughest schedules ever faced.

You are the one that needs to be prepared for a down year. If Holgorsen provided what may happen, people would be screaming for his head just as they did when he won 10 games. But now, no one is supposed to care because some like the new coaches "values"?

Amazing you assume I dislike Holgorsen or Brown. I am prepared for a down year. You are just waiting to to implode with the I told you so. Holgorsen left. There isn't jack shit you can do about it. If Holgorsen was so great at winning why couldn't he finish a season with wins? He won 61 games. An average of 7-5 record a season. He won 10 games 3 times 2 of them he fell apart at the end. The other one he coached in Big East. Decent conference but not the Big 12. Holgorsen had some great teams and could not finish.

What are Holgorsen's values? What are is morals? What is his character?

Every knows you hate Brown and he hasn't even coached a game yet. Go be a Houston fan. You can enjoy AAC games.

Values definition: a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life.
 
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Rootmaster and Greggy really put this message board into the gutter....


Why the shot Texass! You still butt sore from that pounding I gave you in my ultimate epic F Michigan monster thread? Root is site royalty so show some respect. And get a new line because you’re the POS racist homophobe pig that took this site into the gutter. I did my part to put you in your place. It’s about time a Texass dipshitt move along back to Texass. Of course that’s assuming you’re not an exiled member coming back for revenge.
 
Why the shot Texass! You still butt sore from that pounding I gave you in my ultimate epic F Michigan monster thread? Root is site royalty so show some respect. And get a new line because you’re the POS racist homophobe pig that took this site into the gutter. I did my part to put you in your place. It’s about time a Texass dipshitt move along back to Texass. Of course that’s assuming you’re not an exiled member coming back for revenge.

Is he.
Why is that?

What makes someone royalty to you on this site?

I think CFE is royalty.

The man has seen a lot and been through a lot. Plus he shows up for WV games and has never came on here to troll anyone unlike others.

No reason to attack him the way you do.

What is your reason for your attacks?

Because he loves WV.

Let me at least hear a valued reason for you to troll an eighty year old man.
 
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You get no respect so you get no answer. I’m focused just keeping you real Texass. You post your opinions I’ll post mine. You try to be the condescending smart guy in the room I’ll have fun with you. It’s all good internet giggle stuff. You remind me of those tools 5-0 and 304.
 
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You get no respect so you get no answer. I’m focused just keeping you real Texass. You post your opinions I’ll post mine. You try to be the condescending smart guy in the room I’ll have fun with you. It’s all good internet giggle stuff. You remind me of those tools 5-0 and 304.

You failed to answer the questions.
 
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There is nothing there.
It is chasing someone who fails to grasp reality.
Anyone with half the brain can figure you out. Plus anyone with any sense at all won't chase you down that rabbit hole.

You are not royalty nor is Rootmaster.

To take that a step further I think CFE is royalty so why attack him.
 
It's a positive sign so many are defensive of NB's program. If so many had been supportive of Dana from the start, the program would be better for that today.

Honestly you could say that about almost any of our coaches. Bowden was hung in effigy. Nehlen had planes flying overhead calling for his job during games. Stew had people pissed that he was hired at all. Holgorsen had the Stew fans blaming him for Stew being let go.

Hopefully Coach Brown can have some early success and get the fans on his side. He seems to be doing the right things so far.
 
Honestly you could say that about almost any of our coaches. Bowden was hung in effigy. Nehlen had planes flying overhead calling for his job during games. Stew had people pissed that he was hired at all. Holgorsen had the Stew fans blaming him for Stew being let go.

Hopefully Coach Brown can have some early success and get the fans on his side. He seems to be doing the right things so far.

This fan base has been split since Rod the Fraud left town like a thief in the night as he shredded documents. It's never been the same. I don't mind that Holgorsen left and I wouldn't have minded if he had stayed.

I was never a Stew fan. Possibly because of the way he was hired. The hiring split WVU fans once again into 3 sides. The Orange Bowl win brought a lot of fans back to the same page but there were others that didn't like the hire. Not enough experience they said.

Most of the ones that are upset have been Rod fans as that is probably the only coach they have known. They grew up with him.
 
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This fan base has been split since Rod the Fraud left town like a thief in the night as he shredded documents. It's never been the same. I don't mind that Holgorsen left and I wouldn't have minded if he had stayed.

I was never a Stew fan. Possibly because of the way he was hired. The hiring split WVU fans once again into 3 sides. The Orange Bowl win brought a lot of fans back to the same page but there were others that didn't like the hire. Not enough experience they said.

Most of the ones that are upset have been Rod fans as that is probably the only coach they have known. They grew up with him.

Between Faxt Eddie, Heather's Prez boyfriend, and Uncle Joe, WVU was a dumpster fire between the time Fraud threatened to go to Bama and Ollie's hiring as AD. Stewart's hiring was just the icing on the cake after degreegate and the way Fraud left.
 
This fan base got split the moment that the pursuit of the college version of the Super Bowl began...the playoffs, TV deals, and the NC game. Suddenly a season went into the dumpster if any team lost a couple games. Ten and two, nine and three don't mean as much anymore...for anybody. Look at bowl game support for proof. Thus, attendance drop off and interest decline in college football. Tons of folks are looking for that one game in the promise land to validate their "fanness". I, for one, still enjoy a Mountaineer game win or lose...as long as the effort and attitude is there. DH, and his party boy demeanor and lack of Mountaineer folk values, tore that away from the fan base....splitting it by age and "hipness". The way that BS was dismissed didn't help. Hopefully, NB will get it back, old time values will rise again, and the fan base will unite win or lose behind the Old Gold and Blue.
 
His "demeanor"? There are many many coaches that get upset on the sideline when things go wrong or right.

That doesn't mean anything but that he was trying to succeed and likes to get things executed the way he drew them up.

Houston? All innuendo as far as what happened behind the scenes, but coaches leave all the time and WVU didn't seem interested in re signing him or extending him so he was obviously going to have feelers out in case--although in that case Houston courted him.

There are no other "examples", just the usual trolling lies and innuendo--which for you pass as fact. No checking, no corroboration. Nothing but what you want to believe Tool.
some of the former players on social media wrote a few things..." if we would have shown up hungover for a game, we'd have been called selfish."
 
Didn't read thread but if he ends up leaving the program for another job then its a good thing, we will likely have won the Big XII and beaten OU if a bigger fish wants him.
 
The Good: Brown took over a Troy team that went 3-9 the year before his arrival (2014). His team went 4-8 his first year but went 31-8 the next three years he was at Troy. Although he is considered an offensive guru because of his background as an offensive coordinator, his teams shined defensively while at Troy. New defensive coordinator Vic Koenning’s defensive squads are consistently among the nation’s top teams in takeaways. The Trojans ranked third nationally last year, forcing 31 turnovers. They were ranked 16th and fourth in the previous two seasons.

In addition, he has brought a sense of optimism and enthusiasm to the program not seen during the Dana Holgorsen era. He is a family man and the players seem to really like him so far. He will always say the right thing and make decisions based on his principles. Neal Brown is not someone that we have to worry about getting drunk and thrown out of a casino or having an affair with his secretary. He’s wholesome and he’s young and he’s talented. He’s a very good, safe hire for West Virginia.

The Bad: Troy played one team last year ranked in the Top 25 and they were defeated badly, losing 56-20 to the then 22nd-ranked Boise State team at home. They did beat Nebraska in Lincoln early in the season, but Nebraska at the beginning of the season was one of the worst teams in the nation. Troy also lost to Liberty and Appalachian State last year. During the 2017-2018 season, they averaged 30.7 points per game, which was 51st out of 130 Division I teams.

It is unlikely that Neal Brown is fully equipped to handle the pressures and challenges of the Big 12 in his first season. He will be doing a lot of on-the-job training during his first season with the Mountaineers and that will lead to growing pains. Early season out of conference games against Missouri and N.C. State could be brutal before the always tremendously-difficult Big 12 Conference schedule.

The Ugly: Neal Brown has no ties to West Virginia. This hire feels an awful lot like the John Beilein hiring in basketball back in 2002. Both were very respected, talented coaches that moved around quite a bit before settling at West Virginia. Neither had any previous connection whatsoever to West Virginia before being hired. If (when) Neal Brown is hugely successful at WVU, what will keep him here? Brown, following a few years of great success as the Mountaineer Head Coach, will be courted by every big-time university in the country with a coaching vacancy.

This doesn’t feel like a long-term solution. Neal Brown is the anti-Dana Holgorsen and an outstanding bridge coach to the program’s future, but to expect Brown to have any real loyalty to the program is naive. We don’t like to think of WVU as a stepping stone job, but its recent history suggests that it is.

Another major concern with Brown is recruiting. He will quickly find (if he hasn’t already) that recruiting players to WVU that can compete in the Big 12 will be a lot harder than he’s used to doing and it will be even harder because he’s recruiting them to Morgantown. He’s made it clear that he wants to focus on keeping in-state talent, but you’re not going to win many games in the Big 12 with West Virginia high school talent. The challenge of getting elite talent to Morgantown has proven to be extremely challenging in the past and it won’t get any easier with a Head Coach that will be a fish out of water during his first few years.

https://mountaineersports.com/neal-brown-isnt-perfect-or-the-good-bad-and-ugly-of-neal-brown/
"This doesn't feel like a long-term solution". That's quite a statement. Brown hasn't coached one game for WVU, but for some, since he is the anti-Dana, he is perfect for this job. Why don't we sit back and worry about playing things one year at a time and watch things develop, before we start worrying about a "long-term solution". A long-term coach in today's world is a 5 year term. I personally believe that Brown will be a good coach for WVU, but to worry about whether he will stay here the rest of his life is silly. First, if he has success here he will be in demand for better coaching jobs. Whether or not he is interested in those jobs will be a situation that will be taken one job at a time. You have to understand that all coaches are ambitious people and you WANT to hire an ambitious man as your coach. Very few will ever look at WVU as their destination job.
 
There are those that are desperate for Neal Brown to fail and be run out of town, fleeing from a lynch mob wielding torches and pitch forks. This must happen because they have invested their very character in the belief that Dana Holgorsen was THE MAN. If he was not the man, then neither are they.

Their fear is not that Neal Brown will be run out of town for a lack of success, but that he will be successful and never leave; relegating Dana to the scrap yard of under-performing coaches that have littered its past by comparison.
Preposterous. No true Mountaineer fan wants our team to fail.
 
DH had no values...nor did his man crush fan boys that still do apparently. Do you enjoy dating him down in Houston there Buck?
Why do you feel the need to continue to smear Dana when he hasn't been our coach in 8 months? It's old news. Move on.
 
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https://mountaineersports.com/how-did-dana-holgorsen-last-so-long-at-wvu/

Dana Holgorsen morals are as sparse as the hairs on the top of his head. His antics on the sideline as well as his post-game interviews were downright embarrassing.

West Virginia University’s motto is “Add to your faith virtue and to virtue knowledge.” Holgorsen wouldn’t know virtue if it bit him on his ass. His moral standards are questionable at best.

When he was escorted out of a casino drunk and then Athletic Director Oliver Luck passed it off as “inappropriate behavior” without punishment, it was his only public stain on his reputation, but Holgorsen will never be considered a high character guy.

Holgorsen’s teams were often able to out-score Big 12 opponents, but WVU never reached its full potential under him. He wasn’t unsuccessful enough to be fired. Both parties suffered through years of mediocrity.

Dana Holgorsen is where he always wanted to be, Texas. He would’ve taken any job in Texas as long as the money was comparable. Holgorsen can claim that the challenge of building Houston into a top-tier Power 5 program is what drew him there, but the truth is he simply never fit in West Virginia and never belonged in Morgantown.

At an open-air bar in Houston a tune booms through the speakers and elicits plenty of chuckles. It’s John Denver's Almost heaveeen, West Virginiaaaa! A smiling Holgorsen surveys the half-empty bar and then looks to his friends. “That’s my cue to leave.”

TYPICAL...
“Judge not, that you be not judged."
 
Since Neal Brown took over, at least 8 players-several of them KEY players have left the program. Can't tell you how many posts were made during DH's term bashing him mercilessly when one or two players left. Not aware of any of these players having any conduct issues--just the usual rumor and innuendo to smear the players rather than question the coach. according to blue gold news:https://bluegoldnews.com/west-virginia-mountaineers/movement-continues-on-wvu-transfer-front/
Junior safety Derrek Pitts and redshirt sophomore E.J. Brown are the most recent WVU players to put their names into the transfer portal, joining safety Kenny Robinson, wide receiver Marcus Simms, defensive lineman Tyrese Allen, wide receiver Dillon Spalding, defensive back Jordan Adams and offensive lineman Matt Jones.



WVU was within a score late in the fourth quarter with a backup QB that hadn't played much ever. The starting QB, RB and other key offensive and defensive players were out. Syracuse had a top 15 squad at the time.

It would have been a miracle for WVU to win that game with so many cards stacked against them, and WVU prepared as well as they could with the personnel they had.




Holgorsen had to compete against the toughest competition WVU has ever faced, with the added problem of having to travel long distances to play most games.

He started at a defecit and had lots of coaches move on, making stability that much more difficult. He also faced many many injuries late in seasons which lead to depth problems. None of these things had anything to do with lack of preparation or coaching, or "values".
A friend spoke to a WVU player at a banquet and asked if the players ran wind sprints after practice. The player smiled and said, "Only if we wanted to." That ties in with stories a few weeks after Brown's arrival that players were complaining that his off-season workouts were too hard. Guess they were no more interested in working hard for victories than Dana was.
 
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