I don't believe anyone attacking the records of the current coach and defending the most recent one is actually a WVU fan,
WVU Release Neal Brown contract extension
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There will be a bunch of Neal Brown fans on here as soon as he isn't the coach anymore.
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Easy there shooter. I don't think anyone is talking about banning. I think the point trying to be made is anyone criticizing the current coach's results while extolling the previous' isn't someone making a rational argument.
Of course the opposite is true as in so many things these days. People discussing facts of the previous staffs accomplishments are the actual rational posters here, those celebrating the current coach not so much.
Actually trying to pretend 5 wins per year is better than 10,8,7 wins. And worse that you are irrational if you state that that nonsense is not correct. WOW. People have gone off the deep end.
Actually trying to pretend 5 wins per year is better than 10,8,7 wins. And worse that you are irrational if you state that that nonsense is not correct. WOW. People have gone off the deep end.
There are two groups of fans: those that want the University to be successful and those that are happy with the status quo. Those of us that want to see WVU achieve success in athletics see the need to move on from Brown and Huggins. Those of you that are happy seeing WVU remain mediocre are happy to maintain the status quo.
How so? Where am I wrong? Are you happy with six win seasons and a mid-level bowl game? Thrilled about getting bounced out of the 2nd round of the NCAA hoops tournament?
Yes you are wrong.
Sports have up and down seasons. That isn't going to change so learn to live with it.
All coaches either move on or get fired, Brown wont be any different.
There is no reason to be insecure. Your life is the same no matter how well WVU performs.
I don't like Brown but he has only been here two seasons, give him a chance to fail.
EDIT: I should have probably said that I am indifferent to Brown, than dislike. If he wins then he stays, if not than he gets fired. I gave up any personal investment in coaches.
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IMO, dudes who complain about 5 win coaches on the internet are usually 5 win husbands, fathers, employees, ect...but that's just my experience.
You live inside your own mind and refuse to read what is actually being written.
He raises some decent point, imo. Brown seems to be given some leniency from our fan base which wasnt afforded to DH.
Perhaps it was because of the ugly nature of DH's hiring, which was a shitshow...or they just didn't like him. Being fond of Brown is fine but there does seem to be some hypocrisy of standards.
I'm already working on some material if that happens....something like, trust the climb...out of Morgantown.
Or
Trust the climb, back to Kentucky..
Work in progress
A lot of teams don't make it past 1st round. There is a third group of fans such as yourself who are unrealistic. Brown has not had enough time to build anything. It's been 2 years. With one year shortened due to pandemic. Yet clowns such as yourself want him fired.
Nown on to Huggins who has taken WVU to the NCAA more than any coach in it's history. Second most wins all time at WVU. Averages 23 wins a season. Has 900 for his career. Deserves retirement from his head coaching job. Which in my opinion comes at the end of this contract. Some think he tries for a 1000 but I don't see it.
I have yet to see anywhere that somebody has said they are happy over 5 win and 6 win season.
He's been here 2 years. The 2nd one only 10 games one of which was a bowl win. I supported DH until he couldn't get it done in November and failed year after year. The 2017 and 2018 seasons I had enough of him and didn't care if he stayed or went. He reached his ceiling. Brown should be given the same amount of time.
The hypocrisy is imagined.
EDIT: WVU fan base has been split since the hiring of Bill Stewart. I didn't like the way he was hired but you can't argue about his 9 wins a year.
Here's another 8 number for you
Holgs - 8 years
NB - 2 years (1 of those shortened by pandemic he had 6 wins in 2nd year)
If your adding DH 2 bowl wins to one of his 8 win seasons and one of his 10 win seasons then you need to add Brown bowl win to his 2nd season.
This thread is getting seriously funny. How it has turned into a fire NB or not thread is either a head scratcher or an indictment of very low word comprehension skills by a lot of posters. The question does remain as to why a coach after only two years...getting 5.5 wins a year...watching a mass exodus of 17 players or more...seeing a key member of the staff bum rushed out the door for WOKE bullshxxx by a marginal player...and seeing his authotity watered down by a racist social justice and Inclusion oversight committee...should have been rewarded with a six year extension. Personally it smells like more acceptance of mediocrity. Good for Brown though lol.
This is true. Somehow some are trying to sell that having losing seasons is better than having winning seasons and that WVU fans should now be happy reaching 5 wins, when these same people preached that 7 wins three years, 8 wins two years and 10 wins two years was awful and should not be accepted. These people do not want WVU to be successful- that is clear.
This is a reductive fallacy. No one is saying they want WVU to be a perpetually 5-6 wins per year program. However a coach that walked into a less than ideal situation should get more than 2 seasons to prove their worth. It took RR 4 seasons to really get over the hump from potential to championship level teams. Saban could've walked in at WVU in 2019 and not have faired much better that first year. WVU does not have the brand recognition like say Alabama or Ohio State where a new coach may instantly improve their predecessor's below average job. Hence, barring an egregious scandal, any coach that WVU hires will need 3 seasons minimum commitment to show what they can do lest we run a good coach out of town prematurely.
Huggins on the other hand has done what no other WVU coach has done which is have a 10+ season coaching tenure and made the NCAA Tournament more often than not during that time. Not happy getting bounced from the tournament in the second round, but Huggins has taken WVU to the Sweet 16 50% of the time he has taken WVU to the tournament. That's not mediocre by any standard. Maybe he won't ever field another Final Four team again, but the likelihood WVU finds a better coach when it's time to hire is small. Then the likelihood that the new coach is better than Huggins AND not poached the moment he makes a deep NCAA tournament run is even smaller still. Huggins only has a few more years left and it is undoubtedly more likely that WVU's best chance at a deep NCAA tournament run in the next 3 years is with Huggins at the helm than a new hire.
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The fallacy re: Brown is the statement "walked into a less than ideal situation". This is a rewriting of history.
WVU was averaging over 8 wins for the 4 years prior to Brown coming to WVU.
The team from the year before was a top 10 offense and also was mere points from being in the BIG 12 CCG, losing narrowly to playoff bound Oklahoma.
There were many players left over for Brown to have immediate success. In fact much if not most of his production the next two years offensively and defensively came from players left over. But Brown pushed out over 20 players, some starters, when he came into the program too--losing that many players, many with experience through Brown's own doing played a large part in his failure to win games.
But bottom line, he didn't walk into some complete rebuild or even a poor situation, that is altering history.
As far as Huggins, he has had his ups and downs. He can't bring a championship at the conference or national level to WVU for whatever reasons--most believe its the lack of offense and keeping players at WVU. He at least has won more than lost, but after seeing what Baylor did, and seeing how close WVU came to beating the champs and runners up its becoming painfully clear WVU fans just won't get over that hump.
I'm not sure about you, but at all the important jobs I have ever had, the first 2 years mattered.
Coach B and WVU won 6 games last season and lost 4. Four losses usually equates to 8 wins. No one can tell me that early in the season WVU would have lost to two of the sorriest teams on the schedule keeping them from 8 wins if they hadn't been canceled. Oklahoma would have made 5 losses to go with 8 wins, not bad for season two.
FSU ended up 3-6 after opening against and losing at home to a sorry ass 3-7 Georgia Tech team instead of a neutral site game against the Mountaineers. WVU was also cancelled out of a chance to kick the crap out of a 2-3 Maryland team that lost their opener at home to mighty 3-6 Rutgers.
Give me a break, neither of these used to be teams would have had much chance against WVU or about 7 other B12 teams last season. Harping about only a 6 win season last year is so disingenuous to put it mildly.
I think we can agree that Nick Saban is a pretty good head coach a young one would aspire to have the success of so let's compare apples to apples. Saban's first five years as HC at a P5 school resulted in 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, and then 9-2 in his fifth season at Michigan State which got him the LSU job and he was off to the races pretty much since. At this point in Coach Brown's P5 HC career he is doing fine. Is aspiring to do at least as well as Michigan State settling for mediocrity? Because that's who we are in Coach Brown's career comparatively speaking.
If the Mountaineers can somehow find or develop a pretty good QB for this coming season I can easily see 9 wins.
FSU ended up 3-6 after opening against and losing at home to a sorry ass 3-7 Georgia Tech team instead of a neutral site game against the Mountaineers. WVU was also cancelled out of a chance to kick the crap out of a 2-3 Maryland team that lost their opener at home to mighty 3-6 Rutgers.
Give me a break, neither of these used to be teams would have had much chance against WVU or about 7 other B12 teams last season. Harping about only a 6 win season last year is so disingenuous to put it mildly.
I think we can agree that Nick Saban is a pretty good head coach a young one would aspire to have the success of so let's compare apples to apples. Saban's first five years as HC at a P5 school resulted in 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, and then 9-2 in his fifth season at Michigan State which got him the LSU job and he was off to the races pretty much since. At this point in Coach Brown's P5 HC career he is doing fine. Is aspiring to do at least as well as Michigan State settling for mediocrity? Because that's who we are in Coach Brown's career comparatively speaking.
If the Mountaineers can somehow find or develop a pretty good QB for this coming season I can easily see 9 wins.
You have this massive hard on for former staff. Do you jerkoff when you hear his name. Dana Holgorsen. I bet you just wet yourself.
He never laid a solid foundation but he got descent results. He had a couple teams that would have went undefeated or close to it in the Big East. He did good with the talent he had.
Laughable and sad at the same time- posters that spent every day of the previous staffs time at WVU bashing and attacking, putting down every accomplishment, blowing up every mistep, doing everything they could to ruin WVUs program, chase off players, fans, coaches etc-- now talking $h!t about someone because I discuus simple facts about the coach at WVU now. In troll strategy I believe that falls under " if you cant attack the message" --in this case facts--"attack the messenger."
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The BIG 12 was as down last year as it has ever been and Brown managed 4 wins in conference, one against Kansas, and one win against an fcs squad. Every team with a pulse he lost to.
Theres no evidence he wouldve even competed in the OOC games that were canceled, so no he doesnt get credit for imaginary wins.
I wouldnt agree that he didnt lay a solid foundation. The last four years WVU was trending up in wins averaging over 8 wins per year. Two of the last 4 WVU finished at 16 in the playoff rankngs too.. The main problem was that the defense could never stop anyone no matter how many points the offense scored. But Holgorsen did not appear to be picking his own d coordinators for most of his time at WVU.
WVU should have searched for the best possible d coordinator much like Clemson did rather than insisting on someone with WVU ties as they did.
Not sure coaching and your regular job relate to each other.
Does your job rely on getting rid of the garbage left behind, overhauling the entire company from the ground up, begin again from scratch?
You people comparing your jobs to this are full of shit.
WVU should of hired a coach instead of an alcoholic drug addict who had never been a head coach before in 2011. Is your jaw sore from all the sucking?
