Move to Houston then if you love Dana.
Next negative comment about Neal Brown I am going to show up at your house and make you move to Houston.
WVU Release Neal Brown contract extension
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Move to Houston then if you love Dana.
Next negative comment about Neal Brown I am going to show up at your house and make you move to Houston.
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Except for one thing. They are haters. Don't need to be on drugs or alcohol to hate. They are only high on hating WVU
The team that was 3 pts from playing for a big 12 title game had Greir Stills and Jennings. The team NB inherited didn't. You saw how good the 2018 team was in the Bowl game against Syracuse when Greir and Jennings were gone. Weak attempt at trying to move the goal posts on your part.
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Let's see...Nehlen gets a title game and children say he's boring...get someone new. Rich Rod takes the team the cusp of a title game and the children want him run out of town for losing to Pitt. Stewart grabs nine wins a season and the children want him dumped for being too old school. So we get DH who gutted the program. Now we have Neal and a win one...lose one record and the children say yeah...he's fantastic. Not yet folks. We will see.
I don't know if anyone is saying Brown is fantastic. What people are saying is he hasn't had enough time. If you look at the bowl game against syracuse we saw what the team looked like after Grier and Jennings skipped town. This is the reality that Brown inherited. Brown wants to be more physical at the point of attack. This wasn't going to happen overnight. He needs more than 2 years to build the depth necessary to be successful. Nehlen may have gotten wvu to the title game but it took him 8 years. By the time 2000 came around it was obvious that the program was stagnant and Nehlen did the honorable thing and stepped aside. In 2007 people were fed up with RR more with his flirtation with other schools. We went through it with Alabama in 2006. RR didnt get along with his boss because he didn't feel that the administration was putting the necessary resources into the program. Not sure why you would mention Stewart. The guy was a disaster. He might have had three 9 win seasons but he inherited a ready made situation. When you look at the teams Stewart had and the competition he faced 9 wins is probably the worst he could have done. If Stewart would have remained he would have left the program the way Frank Cignetti did. By the Time Holgorsen arrived the program was running on fumes and he got wvu to an orange bowl with a weaker team than any of Stewarts teams.
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You are full of shxx. DH used Stewart's players to field his one good team. Managed to fall apart immediately. Stewart was a underrated achiever.
It was pretty clear after 3 games that Stewart was a clown in over his head. Going 8-4 in year 1 with the roster that he inherited really? Losing to a weak East Carolina and Colorado team. DH got more out of Stewarts recruits Than Stewart did. The program was slipping and everyone with any sense knew it. Thats why Luck kicked him to the curb. He didn't make the right hire but if he would have kept stewart we would be battling Kansas for the wooden spoon every season.
Btw Wvu was favored to win the Big East in all three of Stewarts Seasons and never won it once. Don't see how he could be labled an underrated achiever that sounds more like an underachiever.
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Yeah, and all the other players DH brought in.
Brown inherited the same situation nearly everyone does. Lots of players gone from the previous year. Brown brought in multiple players his first two years. Including QB and produced 5 wins--one eked out over an FCS squad and one eked out over Kansas. Most of the production he had two years running was from players DH brought in.
In the 2018 bowl multiple players opted out, some a week or two before the game. They started a QB that never started a game at WVU, played without key offensive and defensive players and many seeing their first starting action and they still stayed with a top 15 team they were unfamiliar with into the fourth quarter in a bowl.
Brown added his own picks to those players, pushed many from the previous staff away and managed 5 wins and the worst rushing attack in college football.
There's no reason to move goalposts. Brown is what he is. Two 5 win campaigns--2nd one saved by canceling the OU game so he didn't finish with a losing season.
The worst rushing attack year one, one of the worst receiving games in all of college football yr two.
Multiple players leaving --even the ones he brought in. Second worst coach in WVUs history so far.
And an extension that calls into question what the plan for football is at WVU.
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Stewart was awful. Took a top team and immediately took WVU straight out of the rankings and also rans. Couldn't win a Big East that had added CUSA and other schools that hadn't played at the top level.
Holgorsen added to the players that were left (in part because depth was a huge problem after Stewart due to underrecruiting) and promptly won the Big East, and crushed Clemson in a major bowl in historical fashion. Then he transitioned WVU into the most difficult conference and situation ever faced and won the second most games of any coach ever at WVU, while facing the most difficult schedules WVU has ever played against.
The "Brown needs more time" statements.
The previous staff was not afforded the same consideration--was bashed from before 1 game until he left. Had to win 10 games to get an extension, which hurt recruiting for a couple of seasons.
But the real question about this statement arises from the fact Brown had 4 years remaining on his contract. Not 1, not 2. FOUR. So, he was already in line to "have more time" despite winning only 11 games vs. 11 losses in two years. 46-47 overall. Why extend that, how about seeing if he can produce results first?
The previous staff was not afforded the same consideration--was bashed from before 1 game until he left. Had to win 10 games to get an extension, which hurt recruiting for a couple of seasons.
But the real question about this statement arises from the fact Brown had 4 years remaining on his contract. Not 1, not 2. FOUR. So, he was already in line to "have more time" despite winning only 11 games vs. 11 losses in two years. 46-47 overall. Why extend that, how about seeing if he can produce results first?
So you're telling us that Brown inherited a QB the caliber of Geno And Playmakers like Tavon and Stedman. I must have missed that can you tell me their names?
The excuse of players inherited is an old and tired one. Name a coach across America that doesn't inherit players when they step in? DH did better with the players he inherited than the coach he replaced IMMEDIATELY.
But WVU fans were sold on the "anyone could step in and immediately do better b.s.". Were told the previous coach was HORRIBLE. WVU should be winning at least 9 games and the "easy" BIG 12 EVERY year!
And we got a 5 win producer instead. A coach who produced the worst rushing attack in college football year one and the 8th worst number of receiving drops year two? He could have brought in any QB he wanted. He could have worked with QBs still there and several other high quality players to AT LEAST produce a winning team.
But he didn't. He hasn't. Yet for some reason with FOUR years left on a contract that has produced 11-11 results, he is extended, after two five win seasons? Huh?
WVU fans want to know WHY? What's the end game here. Cause WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES sure doesn't seem to be the plan.
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Difference:
Coach A: Second winningest coach IN WVU HISTORY
Coach B: consistent 5 win producer in regular season two years running. Has won 0 games against 5 conference opponents in two years and only 1 game in two years vs. 6 conference opponents. Produced the worst rushing attack in major college football and the 8th worst drops in ALL of college football in 2 years. 2nd worst coach to date in WVU history.
See the difference? Open your eyes. I discussed Brown's results after poor results. Didn't say anything about him positive or negative before that as opposed to several of you who attacked the previous coach from the second he was announced.
Coach A also has the second most losses of any wvu coach. The only bowl game that Coach A won with a team he recruited was against a weak 6-6 pac 12 school. Your excuse for the poor performance that Coach A gave us in the bowl game in 2018 was that many players didnt play. Coach B inhertied this team minus those players. Coach B showed improvement from year 1 to year 2 and if he wins more than 4 games in year three he will exceed coach A's win total in year 3. So maybe I will ask this question again in another way. If coach A had remained in 2019 who would be playing the part of Will Greir? Who would be be playing the part of of Sills and jennings?
Wvu wasn't winning anything with Holgorsen. If wvu would have played all its games last year im sure we would have had at least 1 more win. We got six wins and 1 more would have been 7. Dana's favorite numbers were 7-6
Not true. Believed he could cure the damage left behind by a coke head coach and then begin winning.
Expansion doesn't hinge on wins and losses. If it did Rutgers would not be in Big 10, SU, BC and Pitt would not be in ACC.
It's plain and simple you're a dick.
Not sure what you mean by "WVU wasn't winning anything with Holgorsen"? WVU was mere POINTS against OKLAHOMA from playing for the BIG 12 CCG in 2018. Iowa State just played for the BIG 12 championship with an 8 win regular season!
WVU was getting high quality game changing players that could put WVU into the conference CCG and beyond.
7-6 is the historical record that WVU has averaged across the entirety of its football teams existence!
But here's the last 4 years under DH
2018 8-4
2017 7-6
2016 10-3
2015 8-5
That's an improvement and an average of 8.25 wins the last four seasons.
Now we have
2019 5-7
2020 6-4
An average of 5.5 wins. Lower if you remove the G5 win in the bowl.
7-6 was a typical Dana season. Dana was in year 8 and still could'nt get over the hump. Name all those high quality game changing players that Dana left in the cup board after he left?
More half numbers. You're completely twisted.
Did Holgnfold leave a good QB at WVU when he cried and left? No. Did he leave an offensive line? No. Did he leave a good defense? No.
Holgnfoldn is lower if you remove the G5 wins. Holgnfold couldn't beat G5 teams in a bowl game.
Holgnfold was given 8 years reached his ceiling and was going no higher. Left nothing behind and ran scared to Houston and is failing there.
Johnny Johnny Johnny, stewart was horrible the guy had no clue what he was doing. He took over a ready made team and lost 4 games with that schedule. He was the only wvu coach to ever walk into a ready made situation and flunk out. The only reason he won as many games as he did is because of what he inherited. The program would have fallen off the cliff fast if he remained.
and 5 wins is a typical Brown season, yet you champion him like he is your Dad. Do you even understand 5 wins is LESS than 7 wins? Holgorsen won just 7 games 3 times. He won 8 or 10 games four times. He had one losing season, Brown matched that year one and has yet to reach 7 wins.
There were plenty of quality players left over from DH. Several vacated the program.
Darius and Dante Stills ring a bell?
Leddie Brown anyone?
Your efforts to deny reality are telling.
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DH won with some players left over really? Bill Stewart left him with a possible national championship and he failed.
Tavon Austin
Stedman Bailey
Geno Smith
Keith Tandy
Bruce Irvin
Coley White
Shawn Alston
Broderick Jenkins
Darwin Cook
Travis Bell
Terance Garvin
Ryan Clarke
Jarred Barber
Najee Goode
Jeff Braun
Chad Snodgrass
Don BArkley
Josh Jenkins
JD Woods
Tyler Urban
Shaq Rowell
Will Clarke
Jorge Wright
Julian Miller
Reggie Rembert
Willie Milhouse
Brad Starks
The dude was set when he came in and had the same team his first year in Big 12 minus the defense. Proceeded to lose his ass in his first year with all the experience on offense.
Won 10 games twice one was because a bowl win. Second time was playing weakest schedule all time. Big 12 was down. 8 wins 2 times. 2018 with the best offense ever at WVU and he couldn't finish above 4th in Big 12. In 2017 he finished 7-6 with exact same players as 2018. So with the best offensive team and decent defense he only managed 15 wins 10 losses and 0-2 in Bowl games.
He was 19-19 from 2013 through 2015. He sucked in bowl games at 2-5. One was a win against a horrible Arizona State team.
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He won 6 last year but go ahead and pretend he didn't. Plenty of quality players on the DL. No LB's.
O-Line anybody? Oh that's right only 1 guy. QB?
Your efforts to pretend players were left behind are hilarious.
Brown 2nd year was 10 games. Pandemic filled.
Take your bullshit and move to Houston.
If Brown is still doing the same after 4 years then I'll agree with you but until then you're just another dumbass troll.
Ok...got to drop you off the radar. You're obviously trolling and getting outlandish. Bye.
Actually DH had 3 good seasons. Stewart used majority of Rod's players especially offensively. You remember Pat White. I wasn't a fan of the hiring of Stewart but hard to deny his 9 wins a season. Weak schedule or not.
I was a big supporter of Dana's until he failed to win with his best offensive and defensive team since he had been there. 2017 (7-6) & 2018 (8-4) One game in 2018 was canceled by NC State due to Hurricane. Possibly a loss. So 15-10 with one of the top offensive teams at WVU and he couldn't get it done. As far as I'm concerned he failed to move the needle and had reached his ceiling. If Brown is not winning 8 to 9 games in years 4 - 6 then he will receive the same treatment from me.
Sorry that facts hurt Johnny boy. You need to improve on your internet tough guy trolling act.
WVU fans want a winning program. We had that, now its gone. Maybe those pulling for losing seasons who hated winning ones should go root for someone else, you are the problem in the first place.
WVU hasn't had a winning program since Rodfraud and grandad Stewart.
Yes they won every year but one under Dana Holgorsen. 10 games twice, 8 games twice, 7 games three times.
Shows how much of a WVU fan you really are.
Very very easy....
Neal Brown gets it. Why he has Jordan Lesley
Needs the Goons up front to win football.
Especially on the Defensive side.
You see the success with these programs. Only position
Neal Brown gets it. Why he has Jordan Lesley
Needs the Goons up front to win football.
Especially on the Defensive side.
You see the success with these programs. Only position
Stewarts biggest problem was loyalty to assistants to a fault. When you have a defense that gives up less than 13 points a game in Big East play yet you don't win the conference, it's obvious the offense is a problem. Hell, last years WVU offense could've won the Big East in the late 2000's if all they needed to do was clear 13 points per game. Stew refused to recognize it despite having most of the roster of players that eventually dropped 70 in the Orange Bowl. That's when it became apparent that he wasn't likely to field a championship level team. The move on from Stew was necessary and it did really only take 3 years to learn that. Moving on was the right move even though it turned out Holgorsen was more of a lateral move than vertical. Jump ahead 11 years and moving on from Holgorsen was the right move even if Brown doesn't turn out much better.
Bill Stewart brought in some DL that were drafted.
What is crazy is between 2000-2010 WVU didn't have any Defensive Line drafted.
Neal Brown should start putting 1 DL in the NFL every year
What is crazy is between 2000-2010 WVU didn't have any Defensive Line drafted.
Neal Brown should start putting 1 DL in the NFL every year
So 7 games is successful. Hmmm seems your troll brothers don't agree with. They call 7 and 8 wins mediocre. How about DH IMPRESSIVE 2-5 bowl record. With 2 of those losses to mediocre Syracuse. Heck he couldn't even beat Syracuse in the Big East. That was their only conference win in 2011.
it’s awesome to see Neal Brown causing grown men to cry. Same old, same old..
What's your problem? We don't give a sh*t about DH...he quit and left for greener pastures. It's hard to feel bad about him leaving since he has turned Houston from a conference contender into a laughing stock in the 2 years he's been there. No one is saying that NB has been a big success here, but he has done far more than DH has in order to get the opportunity to continue on.
You dwell on the fact that DH won 7 games in his first year in the B12 with players like Geno, Tavon and Stedman (Bill Stewarts recruits). He won 4 games in year 2. If I recall, that team was ranked a pre-season top 10 and as high as #5 early in the season along with being described as a potential conference/national championship caliber team because of the returning players. It was the same team that was embarrassed by TT and a few others and lost in the Pinstripe bowl 38-14 to lowly Syracuse. DH was a classic example of an underachiever that year. Yet you continue to expound his coaching virtues while saying NB doesn't deserve a chance to prove what he can do. It's obvious you don't know jacksh*t on what your talking about. As I said, get a life.
Being a WVU fan, one hopes for a successful football team.
Now we have a 5 win coach.
People are acting as though Brown is great, but bashed the previous coach that won more games in eight of his years at WVU. 2 years he won double as many games. Won 8 games twice, 7 games 3 times. Crushed Clemson in historic fashion. But that didn't cut it. Was horrible, terrible etc. etc. Bashers excused away everything good and still do.
Now, WVU has a 5 win coach. With 4 years remaining on his contract he was extended 2 more years.
That is an embarassment to WVU and its fanbase. Those excusing it are into coach worship, not a successful WVU team.
I don't believe anyone attacking the records of the previous coach and defending the current one is actually a WVU fan, there's just no way to defend the current coach, especially if you were one endlessly bashing the previous staff. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. The same things people bashed the previous staff for are being done in triplicate by the current staff.
Some won't admit they were wrong no matter what. Now those same people are trying to sell others on a 5 win coach? Makes no sense. YOU were wrong. Own up to it, don't make it worse.
Now we have a 5 win coach.
People are acting as though Brown is great, but bashed the previous coach that won more games in eight of his years at WVU. 2 years he won double as many games. Won 8 games twice, 7 games 3 times. Crushed Clemson in historic fashion. But that didn't cut it. Was horrible, terrible etc. etc. Bashers excused away everything good and still do.
Now, WVU has a 5 win coach. With 4 years remaining on his contract he was extended 2 more years.
That is an embarassment to WVU and its fanbase. Those excusing it are into coach worship, not a successful WVU team.
I don't believe anyone attacking the records of the previous coach and defending the current one is actually a WVU fan, there's just no way to defend the current coach, especially if you were one endlessly bashing the previous staff. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. The same things people bashed the previous staff for are being done in triplicate by the current staff.
Some won't admit they were wrong no matter what. Now those same people are trying to sell others on a 5 win coach? Makes no sense. YOU were wrong. Own up to it, don't make it worse.
