Do you honestly believe Lyons would fire Brown?

[Buckaineer]

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• W-L-T record at West Virginia

Overall
Rk	Coach	From	To	Yrs	G	W	L	T	Pct	G	W	L	T	Pct	Notes
1	Don Nehlen	1980	2000	21	246	149	93	4	.614	13	4	9	0	.308
2	Dana Holgorsen	2011	2018	8	102	61	41	0	.598	7	2	5	0	.286
3	Rich Rodriguez	2001	2007	7	86	60	26	0	.698	5	2	3	0	.400
4	Art Lewis	1950	1959	10	98	58	38	2	.602	1	0	1	0	.000
5	Rat Rogers	1925	1945	9	83	44	31	8	.578	0	0	0	0
6	Bobby Bowden	1970	1975	6	68	42	26	0	.618	2	1	1	0	.500
7	Clarence Spears	1921	1924	4	38	30	6	3	.808	1	1	0	0	1.000
8	Gene Corum	1960	1965	6	61	29	30	2	.492	1	0	1	0	.000
9	Bill Stewart	2007	2010	4	40	28	12	0	.700	4	2	2	0	.500
10	Jim Carlen	1966	1969	4	41	25	13	3	.646	1	1	0	0	1.000
11	Mont McIntire	1916	1920	4	39	24	11	4	.667	0	0	0	0
12	Bill Kern	1940	1947	5	48	24	23	1	.510	0	0	0	0
13	Frank Cignetti	1976	1979	4	44	17	27	0	.386	0	0	0	0
14	Trusty Tallman	1934	1936	3	29	15	12	2	.552	0	0	0	0
15	Marshall Glenn	1937	1939	3	29	14	12	3	.534	1	1	0	0	1.000
16	Dudley DeGroot	1948	1949	2	23	13	9	1	.587	1	1	0	0	1.000
17	Neal Brown	2019	2021	3	28	13	15	0	.464	1	1	0	0	1.000
18	Greasy Neale	1931	1933	3	31	12	16	3	.435	0	0	0	0
19	Sol Metzger	1914	1915	2	16	10	5	1	.656	0	0	0	0
20	C.A. Lueder	1909	1909	1	9	4	3	2	.556	0	0	0	0
21	Edwin Sweetland	1913	1913	1	9	3	4	2	.444

 

[Buckaineer]

I didnt realize the B12 had requirements, and I definitely would not give Brown credit for anything involved in it. I just remember Lyons releasing the plans of the remodel and it looks really amazing now. We've never had a locker room or anything like we have now. It does help with recruiting, I mean how wouldnt it? The pictures of the new stuff is amazing. All Im saying is that Rich Rod wanted that stuff a long time ago. Perhaps Lyons didnt have much choice per B12, but either way it can only help.

Holgorsen was in part responsible for the upgrades in facilities that WVU now enjoys. Brown had nothing to do with building any of it.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

That is so true. I remember distinctly the number of times Holgersen expressed the need to add more toilets and bigger popcorn stands for the fans in almost every press conference.

His battle cry: “More urinals or I’m out of here”.

I guess they have more places to pee in Houston.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

He's 100% committed to Brown. Lyons has full support from Gee.

This is it. Until the contract is up Neal Brown has Absolute Power.

I know some people are hitching their wagons to this QB recruit but he changes nothing in this scheme of slow developing routes, bad blocking and terrible play calling.

Truthfully I'm not convinced Doege is the problem. It's the entire offensive scheme and staff other than maybe Parker because our WRs are catching balls. I guess. It couldn't have gotten much worse so who knows.

This thing has two possible outcomes;

A) Brown is a good CEO and he blows up the staff finding some combination of guys who fix this mess.

B) Brown is a egotistical control freak and continues to drive 27 nails into 1 wall stud. He doesn't fire his coaching buddies, blames the kids, we continue to lose.

If B is true, Lyons will be hitched to Brown until 2026. Then another Coach will need 2-3 years to rebuild. That's 2029 at the earliest before WVU is competing for a Conference Championship when just 3 seasons ago WVU already was almost every year.

I think it's pretty obvious by now why Zero SEC programs plucked up Brown and why no other programs beat WVU to obtain his services. Obviously some of them must have reached out at some point but didn't like what they heard so backed away.

The jump from G5 competition week in week out to P5 is Massive and that's why a staff better know what it's doing when you hire it. You don't base that hire on 1 upset, 1 decent win over a bottom feeding P5 and 1 almost won against a great P5.

That's what Lyons did and most of the fan base swallowed that hook line and sinker. My doubts came from his losses on his resume he almost always had a let down game after a big win, a game they should never have lost and games where mistakes cost them.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

The real power in the program seems to lay in the diversity committee and they would probably fire them both if they weren't already such lap dogs.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

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• W-L-T record at West Virginia

Overall
Rk	Coach	From	To	Yrs	G	W	L	T	Pct	G	W	L	T	Pct	Notes
1	Don Nehlen	1980	2000	21	246	149	93	4	.614	13	4	9	0	.308
2	Dana Holgorsen	2011	2018	8	102	61	41	0	.598	7	2	5	0	.286
3	Rich Rodriguez	2001	2007	7	86	60	26	0	.698	5	2	3	0	.400
4	Art Lewis	1950	1959	10	98	58	38	2	.602	1	0	1	0	.000
5	Rat Rogers	1925	1945	9	83	44	31	8	.578	0	0	0	0
6	Bobby Bowden	1970	1975	6	68	42	26	0	.618	2	1	1	0	.500
7	Clarence Spears	1921	1924	4	38	30	6	3	.808	1	1	0	0	1.000
8	Gene Corum	1960	1965	6	61	29	30	2	.492	1	0	1	0	.000
9	Bill Stewart	2007	2010	4	40	28	12	0	.700	4	2	2	0	.500
10	Jim Carlen	1966	1969	4	41	25	13	3	.646	1	1	0	0	1.000
11	Mont McIntire	1916	1920	4	39	24	11	4	.667	0	0	0	0
12	Bill Kern	1940	1947	5	48	24	23	1	.510	0	0	0	0
13	Frank Cignetti	1976	1979	4	44	17	27	0	.386	0	0	0	0
14	Trusty Tallman	1934	1936	3	29	15	12	2	.552	0	0	0	0
15	Marshall Glenn	1937	1939	3	29	14	12	3	.534	1	1	0	0	1.000
16	Dudley DeGroot	1948	1949	2	23	13	9	1	.587	1	1	0	0	1.000
17	Neal Brown	2019	2021	3	28	13	15	0	.464	1	1	0	0	1.000
18	Greasy Neale	1931	1933	3	31	12	16	3	.435	0	0	0	0
19	Sol Metzger	1914	1915	2	16	10	5	1	.656	0	0	0	0
20	C.A. Lueder	1909	1909	1	9	4	3	2	.556	0	0	0	0
21	Edwin Sweetland	1913	1913	1	9	3	4	2	.444

More proof that Doc Spears at 80.8% in 1921-24 and the ONLY undefeated regular season AND post-season team in 1922 is #1.
#2 is Rich Rodriguez at 69.8% in my book.
I know Bill Stewart by the numbers is #2 at 70% but he rode Rich’s coattails.
Nehlen 61.4% is my #3 because he built the program for 21 years.
Bowden at 61.8% is my #4.
Jim Carlen at 64.6% is my #5.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Holgorsen was in part responsible for the upgrades in facilities that WVU now enjoys. Brown had nothing to do with building any of it.

False. Neither Holgorsen or Brown had anything to do with the upgrades.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

False. Neither Holgorsen or Brown had anything to do with the upgrades.

I'm pretty sure DH pushed for them...he was there for a long time and talked about facility issues frequently.

 

[Christian96]

He's 100% committed to Brown. Lyons has full support from Gee.

This is it. Until the contract is up Neal Brown has Absolute Power.

I know some people are hitching their wagons to this QB recruit but he changes nothing in this scheme of slow developing routes, bad blocking and terrible play calling.

Truthfully I'm not convinced Doege is the problem. It's the entire offensive scheme and staff other than maybe Parker because our WRs are catching balls. I guess. It couldn't have gotten much worse so who knows.

This thing has two possible outcomes;

A) Brown is a good CEO and he blows up the staff finding some combination of guys who fix this mess.

B) Brown is a egotistical control freak and continues to drive 27 nails into 1 wall stud. He doesn't fire his coaching buddies, blames the kids, we continue to lose.

If B is true, Lyons will be hitched to Brown until 2026. Then another Coach will need 2-3 years to rebuild. That's 2029 at the earliest before WVU is competing for a Conference Championship when just 3 seasons ago WVU already was almost every year.

I think it's pretty obvious by now why Zero SEC programs plucked up Brown and why no other programs beat WVU to obtain his services. Obviously some of them must have reached out at some point but didn't like what they heard so backed away.

The jump from G5 competition week in week out to P5 is Massive and that's why a staff better know what it's doing when you hire it. You don't base that hire on 1 upset, 1 decent win over a bottom feeding P5 and 1 almost won against a great P5.

That's what Lyons did and most of the fan base swallowed that hook line and sinker. My doubts came from his losses on his resume he almost always had a let down game after a big win, a game they should never have lost and games where mistakes cost them.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Bump

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Upset of Iowa State in Mountaineer Field, with me braving the rain that was nothing during the game up a downpour to and from Ohio on the road, sure was heart-stopping and awesome. WVU showed a lot of don't-quit and overcoming advertisity in that one!

 

[MHSTIGER22]

I like bill stewart the person but he was not a good coach. It was the players pushing that,
like a bunch of high school kids wanting the gym teacher to be principal because he lets them smoke in the bathroom.

 

[Rootmaster]

I like bill stewart the person but he was not a good coach. It was the players pushing that,
like a bunch of high school kids wanting the gym teacher to be principal because he lets them smoke in the bathroom.

And how would you know?