Dana has done nothing to deserve a raise...
he was offered 2.9 mill per year for 2 years extension. ...was fair....
he rejected the 2 year extension ...
there is no one left to look for, but Dana
10 wins would fix a few things
Lyons and Holgorsen
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Dana has done nothing to deserve a raise...
he was offered 2.9 mill per year for 2 years extension. ...was fair....
he rejected the 2 year extension ...
there is no one left to look for, but Dana
10 wins would fix a few things
"Actually Dana is producing above his contract. He averages 4-5th place in the big 12 with the 8th highest salary in a 10 team conference. He deserves a raise. Not a reduction lol"
Got to nominate this as the most Dana love post of the year! LOL. So the poster thinks DH should be paid per win? Or, does 4th or 5th now determine our new level of the definition of success? Good grief.
Got to nominate this as the most Dana love post of the year! LOL. So the poster thinks DH should be paid per win? Or, does 4th or 5th now determine our new level of the definition of success? Good grief.
But did the terms of the extension require forfeiting the current guarantees included in his existing contract?
If so, that's not a fair deal. At least not a good one.
IMO, when you offer to extend a high level employee there should be added conpensation.
If there was no added compensation and it removed guaranteed money, you can't fault an employee for saying thanks, but no thanks.
10 wins would fix things. DH would most likely leave for a new HC position and Lyons would get his first cracked at hiring a coach.
My prediction was Herman leaves Houston after next season and if Dana has an acceptable year, he'd get a strong look for that job.
Lyons may have it out for Dana, but that works both ways and Dana could leave Lyons looking in-over-his-head.
silly,
when you blackmail someone,
you have to have something the 2nd party can't live without....
neither party has that stature
if he leaves, then it's perfect timing for a young coach to step in
i hope he stays,
but BUT I'm not willing to lose WVUs dignity to keep a .500 coach
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you all should drop this till November. ..
you're terrible Terrible , nociators. ..
paper fake fans
so we should continue paying Dana the 8th highest contract in the big 12 and demand to finish at the top?
You must understand that the Dana fluffers will tell any lie they can think of in the sad attempt to prop up the battered image of their personal Jesus.
The ACTUAL conference finishes by WVU football since joining the Big 12 are as follows:
2012 = 4-way tie for 5th place (7th place using tiebreakers)
2013 = 3-way tie for 7th place (tiebreakers unable to break tie)
2014 = 3-way tie for 4th place (6th place using tiebreakers)
2015 = 3-way tie for 5th place (5th place using tiebreakers)
In other words, our legitimate real-world finishes in Big 12 football using the actual on-field results are 7th, tied for 7th, 6th, and 5th.
lmao the anti Dana crowd will try anything to ignore his success. So now 4-5th place finishes don't count because of perceived tie breakers? Lmao!! What's next? Margin of victory?
"so we should continue paying Dana the 8th highest contract in the big 12 and demand to finish at the top?"
No...we should stop paying him at all.
No...we should stop paying him at all.
So if we pay Dana 4 million a year how many wins can we expect? Briles and patterson have had their contracts renegotiated several times over the past couple years due to their on field success. Outside of Oklahoma and Texas no big 12 team will bring in a new coach at 4 million a year. if Dana wants more money start producing better results outside of Klingsbury and Strong every Big 12 coach currently being paid more than DH has justified it.
PS don't give some lame response like I didn't mean pay Dana more money I meant some other coach like you did last time i asked you this.
Dear lawd I wish Kingsbury was our coach. He's beautiful. I'd donate so much money and never miss a game.
well if I wouldn't pay Dana more than 2.9 million for 8-5 then Why would you pay klingsbury any more for the same results
Couldn't be any worse than Pasthisprime giving a battlefield promotion to Gomer or passing over Beilein for Jockitch before Beilein was finally hired.
You don't pay for anything.
It's like saying you could destroy 3 million leprechauns.
Nope Im sure my donation gets as much attention as yours. Its like saying im a politician,Lawyer,Salesman,Navy seal or what ever else you may be today
You took a good thing and ruined it.....you guys are no fun. You're lucky I still hang out with you.
BTW...it's actually nothing like that. What you said made no sense. You tried to keep up with me and couldnt. Consider yourself under the table.
amazing
a less than .500 in b12 coach is even making 2.9 mill per year...
..53% over all
and even more arrogant him turning down more free money...
you all just drub this subject into the ground, because of you all's fan insecurity. ..
grow up
and see if he can deliver better than 7-5, like last year ...
suckers
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smh. Yet another wv native still living in the past unaware of cost of living changes and progress outside state lines. It's not 1980 anymore where 100k is average coaching salary. 2.9 million is the 8th highest salary in the big 12 out of 10 schools. We are paying an 8th place salary for an average 4-5th place finish. If anything, Dana deserves a raise.
Or we could look at it where he's paid more than $223,000 per game, win or lose, by a publicly-funded instiution in a not completely well off state, to say the least.
or we could realize that the majority of his salary is NOT funded by this 'not completely well off state". In case you fell asleep, the WVU Athletic Dept is mostly self sufficient.
I have no interest in arguing or taking shots. My opinion is the numbers are still the numbers. That's a lot of money from any perspective or analysis. Let's not pretend being an annual multi millionaire is insignificant.
please elaborate on how he is overpaid? Lol. I stated facts. Average of 4-5th place for the 8th highest salary in the big 12. Fact.
its called supply in demand. A basic principle of capitalism. You are only worth what the market says you are. College football is a multi billion dollar industry. It only makes sense the coaches make millions as well. As I stated, it's not 1980 anymore.
I suppose if someone is happy paying millions of dollars to someone to perform at a so-so level then DH is paid fairly. If, however, someone expects more than middle of the pack results, then he is grossly overpaid...over hyped and over bearing. Unless you are a government worker, you have to earn your pay...and any increases. Then again under DH WVU has Liberty's number.
I see both of your points. The reason Coach Holgorsen does not earn more is because his head coaching resume' does not yet support it, especially in conference play. His teams' record in the Big 12 is only 17 - 22 even with last year's 5 - 4 finish.
Higher paid coaches win games they are supposed to lose, not the other way around. Can Holgorsen finally turn it around in 2016? I certainly hope so. An impressive season would not only help his resume' he would likely get a raise and extension. A disappointing one and the whole topic changes
Higher paid coaches win games they are supposed to lose, not the other way around. Can Holgorsen finally turn it around in 2016? I certainly hope so. An impressive season would not only help his resume' he would likely get a raise and extension. A disappointing one and the whole topic changes
once again, he's paid less than middle of the pack results. This isn't 1980 anymore and it's not the big east either. This is a premier conference with some of the best coaches in football.
why do you insist on saying his pay level results in his performance level? life works the other way around lol! win. be successful. get paid more. until then...over hyped and over paid based on less than stellar results.
Comparatively speaking, his current salary is about right for his current HC resume'. If last season had brought the 10 wins it absolutely should have, he would be making more. The KSU giveaway game is a perfect example of why his salary is not more competitive.
michael...you are absolutely correct. Made my employer a ton of money by winning a lot of deals...then ended up owning the company. success leads to more money...redbull doesn't.
if he were paid a top 5 big 12 salary with an 8th place average you might have a point. Until then, Dana is underpaid.
I'd say his compensation is market rate. It will increase with performance based results. Right now he's still working under his first full contract and for a first time HC I think his salary is totally reasonable. I'm not sure about this, but I'd assume he probably has more guaranteed money than most coaches and I'd wager most of them would swap some salary for a fully guaranteed contract. In this business, who wouldn't?
He might have one of the most favorable contracts in the B12, but I don't know that for sure. Just an assumption.
Dana is not underpaid. Coaching salaries are not directly tied to rankings in the conference. Just like any other administrative position, salary is based upon qualifications and experience. Performance as well as company resources are considered annually regarding bonuses and pay increases. Until his coaching performance in all areas he is involved in are above average, he has no chance at an increase. After five years experience, Coach Holgorsen continues to underperform in game management. That is a primary duty and with him it remains a growth area.
you can't have it both ways. Lol. First, you guys say he isn't earning his 2.9 million per year. Then you say performance results aren't tied to salary. And only after I debunked the misinformed theory he was overpaid. My point is/was, Dana's teams are performing above his salary. He is the 8th highest paid in a 10 team Big 12. The only way he would be considered overpaid is if he averaged 9-10th place finishes. Once again, if you want better results, then you pay for it. Spend more money and find someone better. It's that simple. Until then, be thankful you have a bargain in Dana.
You're giving him too much credit. Holgorsen finished 4-5 last season in the conference, for an overall Big 12 record of just 15-21.
"He's underpaid compared to other Big 12 coaches" and "he's delivering value on the contract compared to his relative salary" has to be my favorite new idiotic argument made by the Dana fluffer boys. I didn't know we were playing football to win some hypothetical "best bang for the buck" column written on an economics blog somewhere. Silly me, I thought the object of playing football--as well as our stated goal at WVU--was to win actual championships on the field.
However, if relative economic value is the new messiah then we might as well go all the way with it. By that rationale, we ought to fire Holgorsen and lowball a new guy so that he's the worst-paid coach in the conference. Every season we finish 10th, the coach delivers exactly what we paid for and every season we finish above 10th, he delivered value over the contract. It's genius, we can't lose!
