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Buck, you are pathetic. Talk about a resident moron. You are a multi-resident imbecile. You have 15,499 posts on Scout sites....but were shamed away (temporarily, I am sure) after your 22+ post barrage of June 2-3. All saying essentially the same thing, with different word permutations on occasion. Now you yoyo back try spreading your same, tired old crap on Rivals. Same old same old. Still rooting for your mental health, Buck!
 
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How does that make a rematch more likely than not?

OK Buck let me state this a different way

Take one point at a time. Either agree or disagree, but if you disagree tell me why

a. The pac has a 12 team league and a 9 game in conference. Yes or No

b. The Pac 12 place all 5 other teams in their division Yes or No

c. Assuming you agree with a and b that means the PAC teams has to play 4 of 6 teams in the other division to make 9 games Yes or No

d. Assuming you agree with C, statically there is a 66.667% chance there is a rematch. Yes or No

e. If there is a 66.667% chance, statically there is a rematch there is only a 33.33% chance Yes or No

f. If you agree with d and e, therefore in a 12 team conference with a 9 game in conference schedule it is 2 times more likely there is a rematch then not. Yes or No
 
In another article from 2012--this writer took a look at championship game results up to that time-the writer thinks its not that hard to win the second time--but the results bear out what has been stated:

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What say you, history?

By my count, there have been 24 instances of two teams meeting in the conference championship game after meeting during the regular season. Teams that won the regular season game are 15-9 in the rematch.

http://www.ruleoftree.com/2012/11/2...ating-the-same-team-twice-pac-12-championship
15-9 in the rematch means the team that lost the first time won 60% of the time in the rematch btw.


In another article from 2012--this writer took a look at championship game results up to that time-the writer thinks its not that hard to win the second time--but the results bear out what has been stated:

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What say you, history?

By my count, there have been 24 instances of two teams meeting in the conference championship game after meeting during the regular season. Teams that won the regular season game are 15-9 in the rematch.

http://www.ruleoftree.com/2012/11/2...ating-the-same-team-twice-pac-12-championship
15-9 in the rematch means the team that lost the first time won 60% of the time in the rematch btw.

Buck I hate to tell you this, but you are either looking at this wrong or your math sucks.
15-9 means there is 24 games total, not that the losing program of the 1st game won 9 of 15.

So the winning team of the 1st game wins 15 of 24 or 62 percent of the second

That means the losing team of the 1st game only win n 38% of the time for the second

This is a far far cry from 50-50 or worse as you just claimed in this post the losing team won 60% of the time.
 
OUs "self interest" was to benefit the entire conference. Texas--hold the entire conference hostage and disadvantaged to them until they can go somewhere else.

I'll take OU's form of self interest every day of the week.

It rumored that TCU and TT were not in favor of G5 expansion. That means that UT is not the only program holding back expansion
 
It rumored that TCU and TT were not in favor of G5 expansion. That means that UT is not the only program holding back expansion

That rumor doesn't explain why they were not in favor.

I mean...most people believe Texas has them in their back pocket. Right ?
 
As usual you miss the point.

You focus on unimportant things in order to ignore what matters.

What matters is that by playing a 10 team CCG with a round robin schedule, the BIG 12 has a guaranteed rematch that history shows quite often goes the opposite way in a rematch.

The team that won the first match, often loses the second--and for the BIG 12 that will mean knocking itself out of the playoff several times--and that is not a good thing.

If instead they moved to 12 teams they'd have a much greater chance of making the playoff.

He is not missing the point, you are. You are arguing points that are factually incorrect. Your math is way off and though everyone on the board has pointed it out, you can't even be man enough to admit you are wrong.

With any CCG there there is a risk of upset, but you kept and keep saying there was a 50-50 chance the loser of the 1st game would win the second, when even ALL the data you proved you proved you wrong.
 
Buck I hate to tell you this, but you are either looking at this wrong or your math sucks.
15-9 means there is 24 games total, not that the losing program of the 1st game won 9 of 15.

So the winning team of the 1st game wins 15 of 24 or 62 percent of the second

That means the losing team of the 1st game only win n 38% of the time for the second

This is a far far cry from 50-50 or worse as you just claimed in this post the losing team won 60% of the time.
As several of us already pointed out, Buck doesn't do math very well and he is programmed to repeat the same story 20,000 times no matter what anyone says. The 15-9 is also just a sample and not necessarily predictive. You can't tell me the outcome of game 25 with certainty, and after the 25th game is played the odds change again either slightly more in favor of the the winners or the losers. The odds are not even the same for all conferences and when 4 teams don't even belong to the BIG12 any more and it is 10 teams not 12 the methodology is even more flawed. So here is a question for you. What outcome from future BIG12 CCG matches would be considered a failure and what outcome would be a success? I think it is a given that everyone realizes there will be years when the rematch bites the Big12 in the ass. But what is the acceptable risk? I think if the Big12 could make the 4 team playoff 60% of the time they would be pretty happy. Making the playoffs 80% of the time would be nice but is probably not realistic. You also have to give it enough time so that the numbers are somewhat representative. Who plays in the CCG, who wins and who loses isn't nearly as important as making the playoffs. That is the metric and I don't know what they have as a target number.
 
That rumor doesn't explain why they were not in favor.

I mean...most people believe Texas has them in their back pocket. Right ?
Could be, but it would be stupid for any program to put there future in the hands of another that is only looking out for their own intereste
 
As several of us already pointed out, Buck doesn't do math very well and he is programmed to repeat the same story 20,000 times no matter what anyone says. The 15-9 is also just a sample and not necessarily predictive. You can't tell me the outcome of game 25 with certainty, and after the 25th game is played the odds change again either slightly more in favor of the the winners or the losers. The odds are not even the same for all conferences and when 4 teams don't even belong to the BIG12 any more and it is 10 teams not 12 the methodology is even more flawed. So here is a question for you. What outcome from future BIG12 CCG matches would be considered a failure and what outcome would be a success? I think it is a given that everyone realizes there will be years when the rematch bites the Big12 in the ass. But what is the acceptable risk? I think if the Big12 could make the 4 team playoff 60% of the time they would be pretty happy. Making the playoffs 80% of the time would be nice but is probably not realistic. You also have to give it enough time so that the numbers are somewhat representative. Who plays in the CCG, who wins and who loses isn't nearly as important as making the playoffs. That is the metric and I don't know what they have as a target number.
Almosst eveything you said is ture, however
There will be big problems If the BIG12 only makes the CFP 60% of the time. Having the CCG is going to raise the % significantly
 
Could be, but it would be stupid for any program to put there future in the hands of another that is only looking out for their own intereste

I agree... ..but maybe Texas hints to those schools about leaving if this or that happens. Even if they wouldn't, it makes those schools think it's in their best interest to agree with the Longhorns.
 
It is my understanding, perhaps from some of old writing friends that Texas was willing to expand if it included Houston. They did not give a damn who the other school was but in order to maintain their veto power one of the new members had to be a Texas school with an 'understanding'.

When at least three of the other schools rejected Houston, UT took their toys and went home. UT did not and does not give a damn about Houston per se, but Texas needs to own the vote of half of any additions.
 
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I agree... ..but maybe Texas hints to those schools about leaving if this or that happens. Even if they wouldn't, it makes those schools think it's in their best interest to agree with the Longhorns.

If that case they have to decide who they want in the conference the most, UT or OU. If what you said is true I would prefer OU, although either team leaving is most likely a death nail
 
UT did not and does not give a damn about Houston per se, but Texas needs to own the vote of half of any additions.

All you people be crazy.

But if true, Texas needs a little Game Of Thrones action to realize that allies can easily become enemies.

OT: Axis And Allies is the best board game ever.
 
Almosst eveything you said is ture, however
There will be big problems If the BIG12 only makes the CFP 60% of the time. Having the CCG is going to raise the % significantly
I really don't know what they think. I do know that if the odds are equal then each of the power five conferences has an 80% chance of making the playoffs. We know things are not equal and that the Big10 and the SEC have a better chance than the other 3 conferences. 3 years out of 5 doesn't seem awful when a level playing field gets us there 4 years out of 5. I don't know that anybody has the patience to stay the course and look at it long term though. There are already people who are upset that the Big12 has been left out of 50% of the playoffs, even though we only have two data points. It might take 20 years to get data that has any accuracy.
 
BIG 12 history shows that 40% of the time the team that won the first lost the second. Its a 50-50 shot who will win the rematch.
You just flat out don't know how to count or do basic math.

Four (4) of six (6) rematches in the Big 12 championship game ended in sweeps by the team who had won the first contest. Since we all know now that you can't divide, that equates to 67%.

Spin away on the ignore list, troll.
 
For the record--and for all the people who are not in denial--here is the full list of FBS championship game rematches:

2007 ACC CG Virginia Tech d. Boston College (Split)
2008 ACC CG Virginia Tech d. Boston College (Split)
2009 ACC CG Georgia Tech d. Clemson (Sweep)
2011 ACC CG Clemson d. Virginia Tech (Sweep)

2011 Big 10 CG Wisconsin d. Michigan St (Split)
2012 Big 10 CG Wisconsin d. Nebraska (Split)

1999 Big 12 CG Nebraska d. Texas (Split)
2000 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Kansas St (Sweep)
2001 Big 12 CG Colorado d. Texas (Split)
2002 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Colorado (Sweep)
2005 Big 12 CG Texas d. Colorado (Sweep)
2007 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Missouri (Sweep)

2006 C-USA CG Houston d. Southern Mississippi (Split)
2007 C-USA CG Central Florida d. Tulsa (Sweep)
2012 C-USA CG Tulsa d. Central Florida (Sweep)

1999 MAC CG Marshall d. Western Michigan (Sweep)
2000 MAC CG Marshall d. Western Michigan (Split)
2003 MAC CG Miami, OH d. Bowling Green (Sweep)
2004 MAC CG Toledo d. Miami, OH (Split)
2005 MAC CG Akron d. Northern Illinois (Sweep)

2014 MWC CG Boise St d. Fresno St (Sweep)

2012 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. UCLA (Sweep)
2013 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. Arizona St (Sweep)
2014 Pac-12 CG Oregon d. Arizona (Split)
2015 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. USC (Sweep)

1999 SEC CG Alabama d. Florida (Sweep)
2000 SEC CG Florida d. Auburn (Sweep)
2001 SEC CG LSU d. Tennessee (Split)
2003 SEC CG LSU d. Georgia (Sweep)
2004 SEC CG Auburn d. Tennessee (Sweep)
2010 SEC CG Auburn d. South Carolina (Sweep)

For those who can't count (i.e. Buckaineer), that is a 20-11 record in favor of the sweep. Incidentally, the article linked above was correct...the record was 15-9 in favor of the sweep at the time the article was written prior to the 2012 conference-championship games, but has tilted even more in favor of the sweep since.
 
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Wonder how all the resident morons now view the huge $$ the Big Ten is getting--after all they've been proclaiming since before the BIG 12 meetings the cable industry is dead and there's no more money.

Strange, the Big Ten was able to get a huge chunk--and will get to renegotiate again in 2023 before the BIG 12 even comes up. Huh, wonder how that could be --all the geniuses here proclaimed ESPN out of money and the cable industry dead......[roll]
 
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In the BIG 12 again, 40% of the time they've had rematches the team that lost the first time won.

When the BIG 12 launches their ill advised 10 team CCG--we are very likely going to see 3-4 years out of 9 (or more) where the conference knocks itself out of the playoff--while the resident nitwits are still proclaiming "sweeps" over the history of college football or other such meaningless nonsense.

No getting around it--any team can win the rematch--and the BIG 12 will be sweating that out every single season.
 
For the record--and for all the people who are not in denial--here is the full list of FBS championship game rematches:

2007 ACC CG Virginia Tech d. Boston College (Split)
2008 ACC CG Virginia Tech d. Boston College (Split)
2009 ACC CG Georgia Tech d. Clemson (Sweep)
2011 ACC CG Clemson d. Virginia Tech (Sweep)

2011 Big 10 CG Wisconsin d. Michigan St (Split)
2012 Big 10 CG Wisconsin d. Nebraska (Split)

1999 Big 12 CG Nebraska d. Texas (Split)
2000 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Kansas St (Sweep)
2001 Big 12 CG Colorado d. Texas (Split)
2002 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Colorado (Sweep)
2005 Big 12 CG Texas d. Colorado (Sweep)
2007 Big 12 CG Oklahoma d. Missouri (Sweep)

2006 C-USA CG Houston d. Southern Mississippi (Split)
2007 C-USA CG Central Florida d. Tulsa (Sweep)
2012 C-USA CG Tulsa d. Central Florida (Sweep)

1999 MAC CG Marshall d. Western Michigan (Sweep)
2000 MAC CG Marshall d. Western Michigan (Split)
2003 MAC CG Miami, OH d. Bowling Green (Sweep)
2004 MAC CG Toledo d. Miami, OH (Split)
2005 MAC CG Akron d. Northern Illinois (Sweep)

2014 MWC CG Boise St d. Fresno St (Sweep)

2012 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. UCLA (Sweep)
2013 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. Arizona St (Sweep)
2014 Pac-12 CG Oregon d. Arizona (Split)
2015 Pac-12 CG Stanford d. USC (Sweep)

1999 SEC CG Alabama d. Florida (Sweep)
2000 SEC CG Florida d. Auburn (Sweep)
2001 SEC CG LSU d. Tennessee (Split)
2003 SEC CG LSU d. Georgia (Sweep)
2004 SEC CG Auburn d. Tennessee (Sweep)
2010 SEC CG Auburn d. South Carolina (Sweep)

For those who can't count (i.e. Buckaineer), that is a 20-11 record in favor of the sweep. Incidentally, the article linked above was correct...the record was 15-9 in favor of the sweep at the time the article was written prior to the 2012 conference-championship games, but has tilted even more in favor of the sweep since.
Great research GoWVU. I don't believe past football history can predict the future, at least this might shut Bucko up one (although I doubt it)
 
You better hope that the Big 12 doesn't make a decision about anything concerning expansion. If they did you would be doomed. You would have nothing else to do with your time you may even commit suicide.
As you like to regarding out blogs, stating a different the otherside, this is just his opinion, and it is not based on any facts.
 
If the Big12 does not expand and plays a 10 team CCG there will be years the Big12 does not make the playoffs.

If the Big 12 does not expand and does not play a CCG there will be years the Big12 does not make the playoffs.

If the Big12 does expand and plays a CCG there will be years the Big12 does not make the playoffs.

There is only one scenario above that guarantees that the payment per school is increased.
 
You guys that are fixated on rematches are missing the point. Anyone favorite playing a championship game is taking a risk because they can lose to an underdog whether they played them before or not. The only extra risk the Big12 is taking is the risk of a boring game that has already been played earlier in the season. The Big10 had 4 CCG's out of 6 where the underdog won. The Big12 is not taking any exceptional risk that the other conferences are not also taking.
 
Wonder how all the resident morons now view the huge $$ the Big Ten is getting--after all they've been proclaiming since before the BIG 12 meetings the cable industry is dead and there's no more money.

Strange, the Big Ten was able to get a huge chunk--and will get to renegotiate again in 2023 before the BIG 12 even comes up. Huh, wonder how that could be --all the geniuses here proclaimed ESPN out of money and the cable industry dead......[roll]
The biggest problem with the Big12 network has always been the LHN. Not even a 9-1 vote could force Texas to give up their property. Obviously the numbers were never there showing how Texas could be kept whole. If Ohio State had ever had a Buckeye Network prior to the BTN, they would, and anyone would, fight tooth and nail to keep the rights to their resources and meet their projected budget needs. You can rail against Texas all you want but they understand their business model and strive to protect it.
 
No getting around it--any team can win the rematch--and the BIG 12 will be sweating that out every single season.
Stating the obvious aren't you Buck
No getting around it, UofF could have beaten Bama, in the SEC CCG
No getting around in a rematch USC could have beaten Stanford in CCG
No getting around it any future CCG in any conference could have an upset
 
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The biggest problem with the Big12 network has always been the LHN. Not even a 9-1 vote could force Texas to give up their property. Obviously the numbers were never there showing how Texas could be kept whole. If Ohio State had ever had a Buckeye Network prior to the BTN, they would, and anyone would, fight tooth and nail to keep the rights to their resources and meet their projected budget needs. You can rail against Texas all you want but they understand their business model and strive to protect it.
If and only if the numbers were there, TexA$$ might have been willing to give up LHN. However, it will need to go far above the 15m they are making now, because they love being 1 of 2 P5 programs with their own national network.
 
You guys that are fixated on rematches are missing the point. Anyone favorite playing a championship game is taking a risk because they can lose to an underdog whether they played them before or not. The only extra risk the Big12 is taking is the risk of a boring game that has already been played earlier in the season.
Nobody (except for our resident troll) is missing the point. Buckaineer is simply lying and trolling as usual to make his. We've already established he can't count or do basic math. Once his "40%" lie that he attempted to cite from his wrong reading of Big 12 history was exposed as a fraud, he then did a U-turn and tried to proclaim that very same Big 12 history he previously relied on as his authority was now suddenly "meaningless nonsense."

Buckaineer is a fraud, a liar, and a trolling POS. I simply want everyone to base their opinions of the rematch risk on the ACTUAL historical record, not the lies proffered by him. We get that the rematch issue is only one piece of the puzzle, but it is nonetheless a factual piece and we have a resident a-hole who is trying to lie to everyone about what the facts are.

Overall, it seems the rest of we legitimate posters are mostly in agreement on this issue. The league made a calculated decision to weigh the rematch risk against what they gain financially. Reasonable minds certainly can differ about the wisdom of their decision.
The Big10 had 4 CCG's out of 6 where the underdog won.
I do not believe this to be true. If you're referring to "underdog" in the gambling sense, historical betting lines are extremely difficult to find. However, poll rankings are not. In 4 of those 6 rematches, the higher-ranked Big 12 team won. In light of that, I'd say it is unlikely that 4 of 6 also were won by underdogs.
 
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Nobody (except for our resident troll) is missing the point. Buckaineer is simply lying and trolling as usual to make his. We've already established he can't count or do basic math. Once his "40%" lie that he attempted to cite from his wrong reading of Big 12 history was exposed as a fraud, he then did a U-turn and tried to proclaim that very same Big 12 history he previously relied on as his authority was now suddenly "meaningless nonsense."

Buckaineer is a fraud, a liar, and a trolling POS. I simply want everyone to base their opinions of the rematch risk on the ACTUAL historical record, not the lies proffered by him. We get that the rematch issue is only one piece of the puzzle, but it is nonetheless a factual piece and we have a resident a-hole who is trying to lie to everyone about what the facts are.

Overall, it seems the rest of we legitimate posters are mostly in agreement on this issue. The league made a calculated decision to weigh the rematch risk against what they gain financially. Reasonable minds certainly can differ about the wisdom of their decision.I do not believe this to be true. If you're referring to "underdog" in the gambling sense, historical betting lines are extremely difficult to find. However, poll rankings are not. In 4 of those 6 rematches, the higher-ranked Big 12 team won. In light of that, I'd say it is unlikely that 4 of 6 also were won by underdogs.
Outstanding post. Agree with everything
 
What will old Bucko have to say about these quotes from Boren?

Boren tapped the brakes before leaving Dallas as well, remarking: “There’s no doubt that expansion gives some marginal gain. But how much marginal gain? You have to weigh that against reputational impacts. In other words, our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams.”

Boren tapped them again Tuesday morning, saying: “We may meet again later in the summer, but I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time. I think it’s unlikely. I don’t think it’s impossible. Nothing’s impossible when we get together and put our heads together. Or if somebody comes forward that’s just a great star that wants to join the conference. I think we’ll continue to absorb what we’ve done, continue to try to figure out strategies to strengthen the Big 12. How can we make it more cohesive?

“But there’s no longer the urgency on expansion because of the network possibility collapsing.”

The Big 12 Network, he’s referencing. That fell off the table at spring meetings when researchers showed Big 12 hierarchy that the money simply isn’t there.

ESPN and Fox have chosen to invest their millions more carefully in the SEC and Big Ten. The days of one network sinking $300 million into one university, not to mention another billion into a start-up league network, have been blown away by the current live streaming, cord-cutting climate.

When Big 12 TV remained a possibility, Boren made the LHN something of a punching bag. “The elephant in the room remains the network south of us,” he said at last summer’s OU regents meeting.

One year later, without a fight, there’s no need to throw shots.
O crap Buckwheat, tell me Boren didn't just say the following.
“It was our dispute with the Longhorn Network and how we saw that as preventing a big network. Well, that’s all moot now,” Boren said Tuesday. “We don’t have that irritant in our relationship.”

Meaning when the BIG12 got the final number during the meeting the TV $ were not there to support exansion to the extend of adding G5 programs
 
Nobody (except for our resident troll) is missing the point. Buckaineer is simply lying and trolling as usual to make his. We've already established he can't count or do basic math. Once his "40%" lie that he attempted to cite from his wrong reading of Big 12 history was exposed as a fraud, he then did a U-turn and tried to proclaim that very same Big 12 history he previously relied on as his authority was now suddenly "meaningless nonsense."

Buckaineer is a fraud, a liar, and a trolling POS. I simply want everyone to base their opinions of the rematch risk on the ACTUAL historical record, not the lies proffered by him. We get that the rematch issue is only one piece of the puzzle, but it is nonetheless a factual piece and we have a resident a-hole who is trying to lie to everyone about what the facts are.

Overall, it seems the rest of we legitimate posters are mostly in agreement on this issue. The league made a calculated decision to weigh the rematch risk against what they gain financially. Reasonable minds certainly can differ about the wisdom of their decision.I do not believe this to be true. If you're referring to "underdog" in the gambling sense, historical betting lines are extremely difficult to find. However, poll rankings are not. In 4 of those 6 rematches, the higher-ranked Big 12 team won. In light of that, I'd say it is unlikely that 4 of 6 also were won by underdogs.
I was wrong on the numbers, I was looking at Wiki for just a quick check but they do show that in the past 5 championships, the lower ranked team won the game 3 times as I read it. #15 Wisconsin over #11 Michigan State in 2011, Unranked Wisconsin over #14 Nebraska in 2012, #10 Michigan State over #2 Ohio State in 2013. The point I was trying to make is that whether it is a rematch or some team that hasn't been played in the regular season, all favorites risk blowing their chance at the playoffs by playing in the championship game. The Big12 is not taking some inordinate risk by playing a CCG which happens to be a rematch. Sorry if I was unclear or slopped paint on you meant for someone else.
 
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The Big 12 should have a study done that gives an extensive and unbiased evaluation if a conference championship game would increase/decrease the odds of one of our schools making the playoffs.

...or maybe just ask people on Internet forums.
 
I was wrong on the numbers, I was looking at Wiki for just a quick check but they do show that in the past 5 championships, the lower ranked team won the game 3 times as I read it. #15 Wisconsin over #11 Michigan State in 2011, Unranked Wisconsin over #14 Nebraska in 2012, #10 Michigan State over #2 Ohio State in 2013. The point I was trying to make is that whether it is a rematch or some team that hasn't been played in the regular season, all favorites risk blowing their chance at the playoffs by playing in the championship game. The Big12 is not taking some inordinate risk by playing a CCG which happens to be a rematch. Sorry if I was unclear or slopped paint on you meant for someone else.
Fair enough, sky. Since the Big Ten has not even had 6 championship games to date and the Big 12 previously had exactly that many, your post referencing the two was indeed a bit unclear. No harm done, though.
 
Wonder how all the resident morons now view the huge $$ the Big Ten is getting--after all they've been proclaiming since before the BIG 12 meetings the cable industry is dead and there's no more money.

Strange, the Big Ten was able to get a huge chunk--and will get to renegotiate again in 2023 before the BIG 12 even comes up. Huh, wonder how that could be --all the geniuses here proclaimed ESPN out of money and the cable industry dead......[roll]

The following is straight from Boren about ESPN and Fox not wanting to spend more money on new. He exactly what I posted in another thread. Everyone knew the B1G was going to get a huge bump, but that was going to be it for ESPN or Fox investing money into new Networks.

“Our revenue now per school is better than the Pac 12 and it’s far better than the ACC,
” Boren said. “So this seems to me the time to keep our options open about that because we’re no longer under the pressure of doing it because we need more schools for a network.”


Boren said that ESPN and FOX aren’t entirely anxious to build up another conference network amid declining membership and revenues. ESPN recently dumped a large amount of money into the B1G Network to try and build it up, something Boren said that the Big 12 knew would happen.

“They feel like they can’t lose the networks they have, but they can’t afford to start any new ones,” Boren said
 
I am liking more and more the hypothesis that Texas was always mostly pretending to listen to expansion talk with an open mind. They were either going to stand pat with the Big12 as is or they were going to leave for either the Big10 or the SEC all along at the end of the GOR. Expansion with G5 schools was never going to fly with them as the prestige would go down and the money would not go up, and they were never going to let go of the LHN without crazy financial reward. I also think Boren's terms were intentionally impossible as he never really expected the money could be good enough to talk Texas out of the LHN by expanding with G5 schools. It has been for political cover for the most part as I think Oklahoma could very well also have been planning all along to leave for either the SEC or BIG10. He just needed it to be plausible in Oklahoma that he had done everything he could to save and stick with the Big12. This is a far more likely scenario than believing that the BIG12 could start a new network, fold in the LHN, make more money and not lose prestige with the schools available. It is clear that if those two schools want more of both, then they are leaving. If they like being in control of a big conference that could finish a consistent third in the money then there is a chance they will stay with the BIG12. The money for Texas and Oklahoma is going to continue to be really good no matter what they do. Since my secret Buckaineer decoder ring has not arrived, I can't tell which story might be true. Politicians are a slippery lot. I hope it turns out good for WVU, but if those two leave, conference #5 is almost certain to be our new home and a lot more discussion will ensue when THAT happens.

Just for the hell of it, Google SEC expansion or BIG10 Expansion. You will find that the fanbases for other schools are no less crazy than we are for the topic and their ideas are just as bizarre as any floated here.
 
I am liking more and more the hypothesis that Texas was always mostly pretending to listen to expansion talk with an open mind. They were either going to stand pat with the Big12 as is or they were going to leave for either the Big10 or the SEC all along at the end of the GOR. Expansion with G5 schools was never going to fly with them as the prestige would go down and the money would not go up, and they were never going to let go of the LHN without crazy financial reward. I also think Boren's terms were intentionally impossible as he never really expected the money could be good enough to talk Texas out of the LHN by expanding with G5 schools. It has been for political cover for the most part as I think Oklahoma could very well also have been planning all along to leave for either the SEC or BIG10. He just needed it to be plausible in Oklahoma that he had done everything he could to save and stick with the Big12. This is a far more likely scenario than believing that the BIG12 could start a new network, fold in the LHN, make more money and not lose prestige with the schools available. It is clear that if those two schools want more of both, then they are leaving. If they like being in control of a big conference that could finish a consistent third in the money then there is a chance they will stay with the BIG12. The money for Texas and Oklahoma is going to continue to be really good no matter what they do. Since my secret Buckaineer decoder ring has not arrived, I can't tell which story might be true. Politicians are a slippery lot. I hope it turns out good for WVU, but if those two leave, conference #5 is almost certain to be our new home and a lot more discussion will ensue when THAT happens.

Just for the hell of it, Google SEC expansion or BIG10 Expansion. You will find that the fanbases for other schools are no less crazy than we are for the topic and their ideas are just as bizarre as any floated here.
That is all well and good, but it is just a conjecture at this point that OU and Tex$$ want out of the BIG12, just as it is mine, they prefer to stay in a successful BIG12.

I still say OU options do not include the BIG since they are not an AAU school. It has been their criteria in the past, and I think it will remain their criteria, (with the exception of ND).

Regardless what happens to the BIG12, OU and TexA$$ will always be apart of a Power Conference, be it PAC, ACC or SEC, although my Gut says OU does not want to be in the PAC, two times zones east of most the other conference members.

In there end I just hope WVU will has a spot at the BIG Boy table should things change.
 
If Buck had been Paul Revere then most of you guys would have gone back to bed mumbling that the British would never leave Boston. He might be over the top in some arguments but he makes a valid point that the Big 12-2=10 is more vulnerable with only ten members, the current scheduling and a guaranteed rematch.
 
If Buck had been Paul Revere then most of you guys would have gone back to bed mumbling that the British would never leave Boston. He might be over the top in some arguments but he makes a valid point that the Big 12-2=10 is more vulnerable with only ten members, the current scheduling and a guaranteed rematch.

The problem is, adding Cincinnati and UConn doesn't help.
 
He might be over the top in some arguments but he makes a valid point that the Big 12-2=10 is more vulnerable with only ten members, the current scheduling and a guaranteed rematch.

While 'over the top' is a HUGE understatement.... ....I agree with Buck on those points.

It's his abuse of quotes, numbers, and stats that irritate me. I mean, I basically agree with the guy but he argues his point in such a way that it's actually embarrassing for those (aka me) that agree with him.
 
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