ACC a better fit than Big 12?

[LowFatMilk]

So, it is true, you are not a respectable human being and you clearly are not a man. I will tell you how a man responds to something like this:

"I am deeply sorry that my remarks hurt you and possibly others as that was never my intention. Please accept my condolences for your loss and for those impacted by this terrible tragedy. I was merely caught up in a thread and did not think wisely before I posted."

Let me clue you in on events like this, You can say two things and only two things ever if you have even a shred of human decency:

"How can I help?"

"Please accept my condolences."

If you say anything else you come of as crass and inhumane. When you try to spin your remarks rather then doing the honorable thing, you come across as a child that knows no better.

You don't deserve to be associated with West Virginia or WVU as you do not have the qualities it takes to be either and none of the understanding it takes to proudly oneself as both.

I could barely stomach your entire reply... ...laughable and pathetic. Yet, predictable. ...as if you're a victim. I did apologize despite that I knew you wouldn't accept it unless it met your every condition. I did apologize knowing that you're actually attacking me for abusing you in other threads on very diff topics (where you didn't/couldn't defend yourself). You're not thinking of the flood victims...just your chance to stab one LowFatMilk.

You're BEGGING to be a victim. ...yet another WVian trait.

I am sorry though... ...that you're so soft that you let Internet posts bother you so much ( especially when they were not intended to..).

Is this where I type 'If you say anything else...(blah blah blah you're a monster)' as if it's ammo to keep you from replying again ?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Overall....WVians are insecure and too sensitive. I will not apologize for that opinion.

Your opinion is your business and you can opine nearly anything you wish on this board without being banned. According to your own words you have had interaction with an extremely small sampling of 1.8 million people and base your judgement on that experience alone.

Have you ever even been to Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington, Wheeling, Martinsburg, Weirton, Logan, Beckley or Princeton? Have you ever even participated in tailgating at a WVU football game and engaged in an intellectual conversation with people from all over the state?

My question is rhetorical and I expect no answer, but I hope you get my point. That is a very broad brush you use in painting a highly diverse group of people with. That is how stereotypes are formed and perpetuated. Credibility is certainly an issue here as you attempt to disparagingly define people from central Appalachia.

In case you wonder, I have been to all of those places and spoke with many people from all over my home state over a 52 year period. Members of Mountaineer Nation do have certain traits that they do indeed share. A love of WVU and fierce pride in the athletic and classroom achievements of our student athletes is among them.

It is not a matter of being insecure or overly sensitive. We simply do not care for the baseless and condescending opinions of outsiders. You are, and always will be a welcome visitor but you have no idea what it's like to be a West Virginian. If you would like to witness an excellent example of what it means to be from West Virginia, Coach Bill Stewart captured it very well in his 'Leave no doubt' speech in the locker room right before WVU thoroughly kicked Oklahoma's ass in the Fiesta Bowl.

If you have seen it, I suggest you watch it again. If you get a lump in your throat or a strong sense of pride you know us. If your reaction is simply, 'that's nice' you never will.

 

[LowFatMilk]

Born in Baltimore... ...spent the large majority of my young life (grade school, junior high, high school) in/near Elkins. College included years in both WV and PA. ...and yea, I attended (with plans to see many more) many WVU games.

I prefer to attend basketball games... ...but football too. I'll be at Fed Ex... ...maybe we can meet.

 

[LowFatMilk]

By the way... ...it's interesting that not thinking like the majority of WVians somehow makes me an outsider. ....as if thinking diff is wrong.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

By the way... ...it's interesting that not thinking like the majority of WVians somehow makes me an outsider. ....as if thinking diff is wrong.

Ma'am, you missed my point. Thinking a little differently is the one thing you have in common with native West Virginians. If I see you at one of the WVU games, I will be a gentleman, show you respect, make you laugh, and buy you a beer. If you don't drink beer, I know someone you could re-gift it to that would appreciate it!

 

[LowFatMilk]

I'd enjoy drinking a beer with you.

It's rare that things are as they seem.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

You can only pig the pot so many times. Where are the teams that you really want? The ACC robbed the Big East until they destroyed it. Again, where are the teams the expanding conferences really want? I say the ACC.

Texas and Oklahoma and little brothers are as likely to be poached as any program in the ACC. It's a jump ball. But the ACC survives a couple programs leaving. The Big12 not so sure.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

After you have dated all the single pretty girls in the family, why bother with the wives or the ugly ones? Texas and Oklahoma are certainly pretty but they are also unattainable. Texas loves no one more than Texas and thus no matchup is going to be their idea of perfection. They accept the consolation of being queen in their own castle. Oklahoma can only go on a date if you take her ugly conjoined twin along for the romp in the hay.

I think I understand your post! You speaking for Texas and Oklahoma is downright hilarious. Your post just seemed so moronic. I think we are all dumber for reading it.

 

[Buckaineer]

Texas and Oklahoma and little brothers are as likely to be poached as any program in the ACC. It's a jump ball. But the ACC survives a couple programs leaving. The Big12 not so sure.

ACC schools are likely to be poached in 2027. BIG 12 schools will be the decision makers in deciding if they stay or go.

If FSU or Clemson leave the ACC- it might still be a conference, but it won't be a P5 conference and several other schools will depart. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Buckaineer]

Buck, to say there is little or no chance just isn't true, even if that is what your ACC heart desire. The B1G and the SEC are in the driver seat. Outside of ND If they want a program all they have to do is make an offer. If the B1G has no desire for an ACC team then nothing will happen. However if the BIG wants an ACC team they will make the offer the ACC team will accept and it will be accounted for in TV contracts. The same holds true for most if not all B1G12 program

Doesn't work that way at all and no one is gettting a Contract that doesn't go in effect for a half decade either.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

We pretend to know the future but we really have no clue. What if one of those lowly scumbags from outside a power 5 conference, you know the ones, joins the Big 12 and quickly starts out in the upper half of the conference? What if in a couple of seasons they win the conference and make it to the NC finals?

How could the Big 12 ever overcome the embarrassment of a lesser school coming in and competing for a national title? Oh, the shame, the shame. And my God, what if they won the NC? The Big 12 would be the laughingstock of college football, wouldn't they? Don't ever forget your roots, gentlemen.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Doesn't work that way at all and no one is gettting a Contract that doesn't go in effect for a half decade either.

OK Mr. Conference commissioner and TV executive. You know it all, NOT. They can and will do anything they want to do if it make sense for the future of the conference.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

We pretend to know the future but we really have no clue. What if one of those lowly scumbags from outside a power 5 conference, you know the ones, joins the Big 12 and quickly starts out in the upper half of the conference? What if in a couple of seasons they win the conference and make it to the NC finals?

How could the Big 12 ever overcome the embarrassment of a lesser school coming in and competing for a national title? Oh, the shame, the shame. And my God, what if they won the NC? The Big 12 would be the laughingstock of college football, wouldn't they? Don't ever forget your roots, gentlemen.

Everyone has an opinion, some even claim they know what will happen (Buck), However all opinions that don't agree with mine are wrong.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Texas and Oklahoma and little brothers are as likely to be poached as any program in the ACC. It's a jump ball. But the ACC survives a couple programs leaving. The Big12 not so sure.

Depends on the programs and in which order they are taken.
If it is OU AND Texas that leaves the BIG12 it is done as a power 5.
If the BIG Rips away 2 - 4 programs UNC, DUKE, UVA, GT, then Clemson and FSU and maybe a few others will merge with the BIG12.

 

[skygusty]

We pretend to know the future but we really have no clue. What if one of those lowly scumbags from outside a power 5 conference, you know the ones, joins the Big 12 and quickly starts out in the upper half of the conference? What if in a couple of seasons they win the conference and make it to the NC finals?

How could the Big 12 ever overcome the embarrassment of a lesser school coming in and competing for a national title? Oh, the shame, the shame. And my God, what if they won the NC? The Big 12 would be the laughingstock of college football, wouldn't they? Don't ever forget your roots, gentlemen.

I was not in their meetings, but I suspect it was mostly about the Benjamins. There was not enough money to move the needle or to get the LHN away from Texas. I think there are 8 schools in the Big12 that would have no problem voting for Cincy, Houston, Colorado State, UConn, or BYU if sports prestige was the ONLY negative for any of them. I think WVU games against any of those schools would be at least as interesting as playing TT, TCU and Baylor and Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. Expansion from here on out is dead unless it makes more money for the conference and more money for all teams in the conference. The only teams out there that are going to make more money for the BIG10 and the SEC (besides ND) live in Texas, Virginia, North Carolina and maybe Oklahoma.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I was not in their meetings, but I suspect it was mostly about the Benjamins. There was not enough money to move the needle or to get the LHN away from Texas. I think there are 8 schools in the Big12 that would have no problem voting for Cincy, Houston, Colorado State, UConn, or BYU if sports prestige was the ONLY negative for any of them. I think WVU games against any of those schools would be at least as interesting as playing TT, TCU and Baylor and Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. Expansion from here on out is dead unless it makes more money for the conference and more money for all teams in the conference. The only teams out there that are going to make more money for the BIG10 and the SEC (besides ND) live in Texas, Virginia, North Carolina and maybe Oklahoma.

Two items
1. With the exception of ND the B1G will not invite a non AAU school, which leaves out OU.
2. You left GT and the state of GA off your list of Potential B1G invites.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Your opinion is your business and you can opine nearly anything you wish on this board without being banned. According to your own words you have had interaction with an extremely small sampling of 1.8 million people and base your judgement on that experience alone.

.............. It is not a matter of being insecure or overly sensitive .......

Full Definition of neurosis from Merriam Webster online
plural
neuroses :
a mental and emotional disorder that affects only part of the personality, is accompanied by a less distorted perception of reality than in a psychosis, does not result in disturbance of the use of language, and is accompanied by various physical, physiological, and mental disturbances (as visceral symptoms, anxieties, or phobias)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neurosis

West Virginia's Ranking Among States Concerning Levels of Neurosis (Neurotic Behavior)
West Virginia is the most neurotic state ......... a multinational team of researchers led by psychologist and American expat Jason Rentfrow of the University of Cambridge in the U.K. has sought to draw the regional lines more clearly, literally mapping the American mood, with state-by-state ratings of personality and temperament.
http://time.com/7612/americas-mood-map-an-interactive-guide-to-the-united-states-of-attitude/

The Conclusion
Thus ..... West Virginians (as a group) are very likely the most insecure people one can meet.

I grew up in West Virginia and I love West Virginia. But after living out of state for 10 years I was able to begin seeing my home state for what it is and see its people for what they are.

You need to quit being so insecure about the high level of insecurity (neurosis) in West Virginia. It is an actual observation shared by many that has now been backed up by research.

 

[topdecktiger]

OK Mr. Conference commissioner and TV executive. You know it all, NOT. They can and will do anything they want to do if it make sense for the future of the conference.

"Makes sense" is the operative phrase here. It really doesn't make sense for a TV network to give out a contract based on schools that won't join a conference for several years.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Full Definition of neurosis from Merriam Webster online
plural
neuroses :
a mental and emotional disorder that affects only part of the personality, is accompanied by a less distorted perception of reality than in a psychosis, does not result in disturbance of the use of language, and is accompanied by various physical, physiological, and mental disturbances (as visceral symptoms, anxieties, or phobias)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neurosis

West Virginia's Ranking Among States Concerning Levels of Neurosis (Neurotic Behavior)
West Virginia is the most neurotic state ......... a multinational team of researchers led by psychologist and American expat Jason Rentfrow of the University of Cambridge in the U.K. has sought to draw the regional lines more clearly, literally mapping the American mood, with state-by-state ratings of personality and temperament.
http://time.com/7612/americas-mood-map-an-interactive-guide-to-the-united-states-of-attitude/

The Conclusion
Thus ..... West Virginians (as a group) are very likely the most insecure people one can meet.

I grew up in West Virginia and I love West Virginia. But after living out of state for 10 years I was able to begin seeing my home state for what it is and see its people for what they are.

You need to quit being so insecure about the high level of insecurity (neurosis) in West Virginia. It is an actual observation shared by many that has now been backed up by research.

1. Where did you obtain your Psychology degree to diagnose any of my neurosis, or anyone else's for that matter?
2. Who are you to tell me what I need?
3. What was the specific methodology used for the mass diagnosis in the 'study'?
4. What other so called studies concur with Mr. Rentfrow's diagnosis of literally 324 million people?
5. I believe the author of the article may have been writing a little tongue in cheek as he mapped out his findings based upon stereotypes.
6. I have also been gone for over 10 years like at least a million others and find no need to make a mass judgement of those still living there.
7. You must be very bored.

 

[skygusty]

Two items
1. With the exception of ND the B1G will not invite a non AAU school, which leaves out OU.
2. You left GT and the state of GA off your list of Potential B1G invites.

I think it is the BIG for Texas and SEC for Oklahoma - I was trying to be brief. Georgia is not currently contiguous to any state in the BIG and the SEC is not an option for them. Whether the BIG holds firm to the contiguous rule is anyones guess.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I think it is the BIG for Texas and SEC for Oklahoma - I was trying to be brief. Georgia is not currently contiguous to any state in the BIG and the SEC is not an option for them. Whether the BIG holds firm to the contiguous rule is anyones guess.

There is a very small section of NC that boarders GA. So if you bring in Duke or NC, it would work,.

 

[topdecktiger]

There is a very small section of NC that boarders GA. So if you bring in Duke or NC, it would work,.

That still wouldn't be contiguous unless you took Virginia.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Yesterday, Chuck Carlton of DallasNews.com spoke with Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby regarding Baylor not being forthcoming with documents relating to the sexual assault investigations or lack thereof.

Of course Mr Carlton just HAD to ask about possible Big 12 expansion, didn't he? This is from yesterday's article: 'Bowlsby said he also expects a July meeting, either in person or by phone, to discuss Big 12 expansion further. The Big 12’s board of directors had requested more data from its consultants earlier this month. The conference is believed to be weighing whether adding additional teams makes financial, academic and athletic sense.'

He just had to go there, didn't he? Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

ACC schools are likely to be poached in 2027. BIG 12 schools will be the decision makers in deciding if they stay or go.

If FSU or Clemson leave the ACC- it might still be a conference, but it won't be a P5 conference and several other schools will depart. Don't kid yourself.

You're a moron. It's all about cities and TVs. Period. The ACC has just about the entire eastern part of the country as its hub. They have leverage. They'll always stick together. The Big12 is dysfunctional in every way and having always been sellers playing defense. The ACC has been buyers playing offense. ND had a choice between the Big12 and the ACC. ND to the ACC or Big10 was a no brainer. ND would never play a schedule with those 7 or 8 idiot universities in the Big12 like they agreed to with the ACC. When was the last time ND rolled into Morgantown. Dude do you think that's an accident ND never plays many Big 12 teams outside of maybe Texas or Oklahoma every so often. You can't support anything regarding the Big12 being positioned to take any ACC teams. The Big10 could snatch a couple ACC teams. But hey they could snatch a couple teams from the Big12 as well. And all you and WVU can do is pray it's not Texas or Oklahoma going to the Big10 or SEC. I personally see Oklahoma ending up in the SEC and North Carolia or Virginia Tech ending up going with them. Who would survive that scenario? Deal with it.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Depends on the programs and in which order they are taken.
If it is OU AND Texas that leaves the BIG12 it is done as a power 5.
If the BIG Rips away 2 - 4 programs UNC, DUKE, UVA, GT, then Clemson and FSU and maybe a few others will merge with the BIG12.

Steve the Big has 2 more additions most likely not 4. Maybe 2 ACCs to the Big10 and 2 ACCs to the SEC could happen. But I really can see Oklahoma and North Carolina or Virginia Tech going to the SEC. If I had to bet that would be how I bet.

 

[Buckaineer]

You're a moron. It's all about cities and TVs. Period. The ACC has just about the entire eastern part of the country as its hub. They have leverage. They'll always stick together. The Big12 is dysfunctional in every way and having always been sellers playing defense. The ACC has been buyers playing offense. ND had a choice between the Big12 and the ACC. ND to the ACC or Big10 was a no brainer. ND would never play a schedule with those 7 or 8 idiot universities in the Big12 like they agreed to with the ACC. When was the last time ND rolled into Morgantown. Dude do you think that's an accident ND never plays many Big 12 teams outside of maybe Texas or Oklahoma every so often. You can't support anything regarding the Big12 being positioned to take any ACC teams. The Big10 could snatch a couple ACC teams. But hey they could snatch a couple teams from the Big12 as well. And all you and WVU can do is pray it's not Texas or Oklahoma going to the Big10 or SEC. I personally see Oklahoma ending up in the SEC and North Carolia or Virginia Tech ending up going with them. Who would survive that scenario? Deal with it.

You are an idiot. FSU and Clemson tried to walk previously but were not offered by the BIG 12. North Carolina had discussions with SEC people about their concern with the ACC falling apart. They had to break with their supposed academic superiority and allow in Louisville to placate members as well as signing a partial agreement with ND which now gets many of their prime slots, and money from the league.

The ACC has a grant of rights holding them together and nothing else. They are far behind financially and money is what drives realignment, not "cities and tvs". Besides the ACC doesn't have "cities and tvs". The ACC claims a huge market presence, but everyone knows that what they actually have is a disparate group of islands and small pockets of interest joined out of necessity rather than common goals. Boston college has little in common with schools like FSU or Clemson. Louisville a small city school has little in common with schools like Duke or Wake Forest, Virginia Tech or North Carolina.

Every move the ACC has made has been about desperation and survival.

The BIG 12 while lacking vision is in a stable place today and for years to come. Their decisions aren't based on panic. The conference has made the playoffs, the final four and the CWS--its very successful. But like everyone money talks. Down the road shortly changing circumstances have made keeping up with their peers more difficult.

If that is a problem for the BIG 12 it is a HUGE problem for a league that nearly collapsed a few years back.

ND is in the ACC because the ACC is the only league that would roll over backwards for ND. Had the ACC not done that in a desperate attempt to keep members happy--ND would likely be playing games in Morgantown every so often now. It certainly isn't because they wanted to be playing Dook and Wake and so forth--although they probably figured they would beat those schools in the ACC more often than not and that undoubtedly played a large part in their equation.

The ACC with no further means of boosting revenues is on borrowed time-thanks to their grant of rights. When 2027 rolls around the few schools that can, will be departing that league. In the BIG 12, Texas is waiting on offers but could choose to keep their own conference and OU is going to get offered undoubtedly--we'll see if the conference has taken any steps to keep them content financially as things get closer.

 

[Buckaineer]

Yesterday, Chuck Carlton of DallasNews.com spoke with Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby regarding Baylor not being forthcoming with documents relating to the sexual assault investigations or lack thereof.

Of course Mr Carlton just HAD to ask about possible Big 12 expansion, didn't he? This is from yesterday's article: 'Bowlsby said he also expects a July meeting, either in person or by phone, to discuss Big 12 expansion further. The Big 12’s board of directors had requested more data from its consultants earlier this month. The conference is believed to be weighing whether adding additional teams makes financial, academic and athletic sense.'

He just had to go there, didn't he? Take it for what it's worth.

Boren the staunchest supporter of expansion says he doesn't expect any movement or decision on expansion at those meetings and believes expansion has cooled off because, without a network he doesn't believe its necessary or going to happen.

The BIG 12 is going to continue to pretend to be doing something right up until they get near their contracts to placate those that want expansion. Then teams will be offered by other conferences and they'll make their decisions.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

That still wouldn't be contiguous unless you took Virginia.

Which is what I have been saying, UVA, Dork, UNC, and GT.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Steve the Big has 2 more additions most likely not 4. Maybe 2 ACCs to the Big10 and 2 ACCs to the SEC could happen. But I really can see Oklahoma and North Carolina or Virginia Tech going to the SEC. If I had to bet that would be how I bet.

I can't disagree with any of those, however I would think any conference that took UNC, would want to take Dork as well.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

"Makes sense" is the operative phrase here. It really doesn't make sense for a TV network to give out a contract based on schools that won't join a conference for several years.

Absolutely. The B1G has been the most forward thinking P5 conference. Unlike the BIG12 that can only think 1 or 2 years ahead, the B1G is positioning the conference 10-20 years down the road. The won't care if it takes 5 years for a program to join after an invite, if they see it as a long term benefit. Also the B1G TV package is arguably the most valued of the P5. TV networks (assuming they are any left 10 years from now), will work the B1G in order to maintain or the rights. Just to be clear, I am saying the additional escalation in $$ from networks won't happen until those programs join.

 

[Rootmaster]

The ACC isn't going to add WVU. This argument is all about nothing. WVU doesn't choose, the conferences do. LOL

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Boren the staunchest supporter of expansion says he doesn't expect any movement or decision on expansion at those meetings and believes expansion has cooled off because, without a network he doesn't believe its necessary or going to happen.

The BIG 12 is going to continue to pretend to be doing something right up until they get near their contracts to placate those that want expansion. Then teams will be offered by other conferences and they'll make their decisions.

I don't believe Boren is BSing regarding the July meeting. You don't ask for additional research within a specific time frame to conduct a dog and pony show. It would make much more sense to discuss the additional data, take a vote and either make a move or put the issue to rest for the foreseeable future. I believe the latter is the most likely outcome. We'll know soon.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I don't believe Boren is BSing regarding the July meeting. You don't ask for additional research within a specific time frame to conduct a dog and pony show. It would make much more sense to discuss the additional data, take a vote and either make a move or put the issue to rest for the foreseeable future. I believe the latter is the most likely outcome. We'll know soon.

Exactly, the BIG12 is going to spend 1000's of $$ just to put on a show. If they asked for more data, it means there are potential options or opportunists not addressed. It doesn't mean anything will happen, but they aren't doing just to support the research company. There are some on this board that just refuse to think logically if it goes against their narrative.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

The ACC isn't going to add WVU. This argument is all about nothing. WVU doesn't choose, the conferences do. LOL

Who knows what is going to happen when the next round of expansion occurs. The BIG12 or ACC could collapse. Both could lose key members, while the remaining members form a new conference.

 

[Buckaineer]

Here's the latest from Boren on expansion:

excerpt:


“I don’t anticipate any dramatic action on expansion this summer,” OU President and chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors David Boren said Tuesday morning.

“I think we should just sort of take our time on expansion, not rush it this summer, not try to push anything through,” Boren said......

“What drove expansion was having a conference network because you have to have more content, and the networks earlier on were saying to us: ‘If you develop a conference network you’ll need 12 or 14 members, not ten.’”....

“We may meet again later in the summer, I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time,” Boren said. “I think it’s unlikely, now I don’t think it’s impossible, nothing is impossible when we all get together and put our heads together or if somebody comes forward that’s just a great star that wants to join the conference… but there’s no longer the urgency on

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklah...cle_db80c264-37d5-11e6-abb2-ef6ef57b98c6.html

so those thinking expansion is going to happen are simply dreaming. The BIG 12 is not going to expand.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Here's the latest from Boren on expansion:

excerpt:


“I don’t anticipate any dramatic action on expansion this summer,” OU President and chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors David Boren said Tuesday morning.

“I think we should just sort of take our time on expansion, not rush it this summer, not try to push anything through,” Boren said......

“What drove expansion was having a conference network because you have to have more content, and the networks earlier on were saying to us: ‘If you develop a conference network you’ll need 12 or 14 members, not ten.’”....

“We may meet again later in the summer, I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time,” Boren said. “I think it’s unlikely, now I don’t think it’s impossible, nothing is impossible when we all get together and put our heads together or if somebody comes forward that’s just a great star that wants to join the conference… but there’s no longer the urgency on

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklah...cle_db80c264-37d5-11e6-abb2-ef6ef57b98c6.html

so those thinking expansion is going to happen are simply dreaming. The BIG 12 is not going to expand.

Look at the dates of the two articles. A lot can happen in 8 days, like the results of the specific studies requested coming in. I did not say nor even imply that the Big 12 is going to expand. I said he is talking now as though the issue will be decided sometime in July when school administrators either meet or have a teleconference.

The article you quote says "We may meet again sometime this summer, I don't anticipate moving on expansion at that time." It's dated June 21, 2016 and coming from Oklahoma's David Boren.

The article I quote and was published 17 hours ago came from Big 12 President Bob Bowlsby: 'Bowlsby said he also expects a July meeting, either in person or by phone, to discuss Big 12 expansion further. The Big 12’s board of directors had requested more data from its consultants earlier this month. The conference is believed to be weighing whether adding additional teams makes financial, academic and athletic sense.'

You have to consider the sources and the time line. Apparently something has changed that Boren was not privy to at that time. It could be conclusive results of the requested studies. It could put the matter to bed for the foreseeable future. But there will be serious discussion in July if Bowlsby knows what he's talking about. I don't personally care if they expand or not, and if so, who with or how many. But I'll bet we'll know by the end of July.

I'm curious to see how you process this and what your conclusions are.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Here's the latest from Boren on expansion:

excerpt:


“I don’t anticipate any dramatic action on expansion this summer,” OU President and chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors David Boren said Tuesday morning.

“I think we should just sort of take our time on expansion, not rush it this summer, not try to push anything through,” Boren said......

“What drove expansion was having a conference network because you have to have more content, and the networks earlier on were saying to us: ‘If you develop a conference network you’ll need 12 or 14 members, not ten.’”....

“We may meet again later in the summer, I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time,” Boren said. “I think it’s unlikely, now I don’t think it’s impossible, nothing is impossible when we all get together and put our heads together or if somebody comes forward that’s just a great star that wants to join the conference… but there’s no longer the urgency on

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklah...cle_db80c264-37d5-11e6-abb2-ef6ef57b98c6.html

so those thinking expansion is going to happen are simply dreaming. The BIG 12 is not going to expand.

WOW, really? How the F did you read it isn't going to happen from that comment. What he said is there is no urgency at this time. No where in his comments did he say it was not going to happen just not likely to happen this year.

Again, will it happen, I have no clue, and neither do you.

Oh and by the way, you left out some very interesting Comments Boren has said before

“Our revenue now per school is better than the Pac 12 and it’s far better than the ACC,” Boren said. “So this seems to me the time to keep our options open about that because we’re no longer under the pressure of doing it because we need more schools for a network.”
The following goes to my point about the ACC getting a traditional network with ESPN, which you always discount.
Boren said that ESPN and FOX aren’t entirely anxious to build up another conference network amid declining membership and revenues. ESPN recently dumped a large amount of money into the B1G Network to try and build it up, something Boren said that the Big 12 knew would happen.

Boren also said the Big 12 might look into using some kind of digital platform to broadcast its games in lieu of a traditional conference network, something he said would make the Big 12 a digital “pioneer.”

“We will be doing some looking at experimenting with digital platforms of various kinds. Maybe we’ll pilot it with, you can think of Amazons, Googles, Netflixs,” Boren said

 

[Buckaineer]

Look at the dates of the two articles. A lot can happen in 8 days, like the results of the specific studies requested coming in. I did not say nor even imply that the Big 12 is going to expand. I said he is talking now as though the issue will be decided sometime in July when school administrators either meet or have a teleconference.

The article you quote says "We may meet again sometime this summer, I don't anticipate moving on expansion at that time." It's dated June 21, 2016 and coming from Oklahoma's David Boren.

The article I quote and was published 17 hours ago came from Big 12 President Bob Bowlsby: 'Bowlsby said he also expects a July meeting, either in person or by phone, to discuss Big 12 expansion further. The Big 12’s board of directors had requested more data from its consultants earlier this month. The conference is believed to be weighing whether adding additional teams makes financial, academic and athletic sense.'

You have to consider the sources and the time line. Apparently something has changed that Boren was not privy to at that time. It could be conclusive results of the requested studies. It could put the matter to bed for the foreseeable future. But there will be serious discussion in July if Bowlsby knows what he's talking about. I don't personally care if they expand or not, and if so, who with or how many. But I'll bet we'll know by the end of July.

I'm curious to see how you process this and what your conclusions are.

What you reference is not new information. This is what Bowlsby and Boren stated right after the spring/summer meetings concluded. The conference still has meetings scheduled for the end of the summer obviously.
Here's some quotes from Boren as the meetings concluded:

excerpt--
Boren said the league’s presidents asked consulting firms Navigate Research and Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures (BHV) to do more research.

“We are certainly continuing to consider possible expansion and what that might do,” he said, “in terms of how it might impact the conference, both positively and negatively. We’re looking at the whole picture.”

But Boren also said this:

“The data for the championship game was absolutely compelling. The data for expansion is going to require some further thought. There’s no doubt that expansion gives some marginal (financial) gain, but how much marginal gain? We have to refine that a little further financially.”

If you’re parsing, pay very close attention to this next part:

“It does give some marginal gain,” Boren continued, “but you have to weight that against reputational impacts. In other words, our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams. We have to determine what that’s going to do to the longtime reputation of the brands at each of the schools and what quality of opponents we’re having.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-12-expanding-one-way-but-not-other/85379550/

Later on Boren said what I posted before--he doesn't see any decisions on expansion later this summer.

This is the same thing Texas' AD said the day before the dissemination of the information--that as far as UT is concerned there is no need for expansion and UT expects the talks about expansion to go on indefinitely. He sees more realignment down the line

excerpt:

"I think the prudent thing for us to do as a conference is stay where we are," Perrin said......

Perrin, however, said that he doesn't see the need for the Big 12 to take any action on expansion this year.

"We have a really strong league when you look at the round-robin schedule," he said. "We had a team in the playoffs last year with Oklahoma. We could've had two teams (TCU and Baylor) in there the year before. I think the [Big 12] is well positioned on television. I think we're well positioned on the playoffs."

Perrin said that he likes the way the league is situated with all but one team operating out of the Central Time Zone. And he suggested that by expanding now, the Big 12 might limit its options down the line and doesn't want to disturb that.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...horns-athletic-director-says-big-12-expansion
"We're probably going to see another round of alignment," he said.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...horns-athletic-director-says-big-12-expansion

 

[Buckaineer]

WOW, really? How the F did you read it isn't going to happen from that comment. What he said is there is no urgency at this time. No where in his comments did he say it was not going to happen just not likely to happen this year.

Again, will it happen, I have no clue, and neither do you.

Oh and by the way, you left out some very interesting Comments Boren has said before

“Our revenue now per school is better than the Pac 12 and it’s far better than the ACC,” Boren said. “So this seems to me the time to keep our options open about that because we’re no longer under the pressure of doing it because we need more schools for a network.”
The following goes to my point about the ACC getting a traditional network with ESPN, which you always discount.
Boren said that ESPN and FOX aren’t entirely anxious to build up another conference network amid declining membership and revenues. ESPN recently dumped a large amount of money into the B1G Network to try and build it up, something Boren said that the Big 12 knew would happen.

Boren also said the Big 12 might look into using some kind of digital platform to broadcast its games in lieu of a traditional conference network, something he said would make the Big 12 a digital “pioneer.”

“We will be doing some looking at experimenting with digital platforms of various kinds. Maybe we’ll pilot it with, you can think of Amazons, Googles, Netflixs,” Boren said

You might not realize it--I do--both Boren and UTs AD are saying indefinite talks, no need for expansion and nothing happening this summer. You may be blind, deaf and dumb, I don't share those issues. UT stated the conference should remain as is--don't want to affect future realignment and Boren is saying very similar things in the quotes I posted about not wanting to do anything.

Future realignment for the BIG 12 depends on P5 schools which won't be available until maybe 2024 with the Pac 12--but since they must get a new deal then, they'll certainly be offering BIG 12 schools by then--after the Big Ten makes a poaching run which they've set up by having contracts expire in 2023 as the BIG 12 must try to renegotiate contracts.

I also hope you realize a school president from a different conference doesn't preclude the ACC from doing anything?

Has anyone from the ACC declared they aren't going after a network because the tv partners have said it isn't possible in this climate? Of course not. So Boren can say whatever he wants, but until the ACC announces the same thing? They appear to still be trying to get one up and running.

The BIG 12 still has the same problem with even a digital network--which they've also been examing for years btw--lack of inventory and lack of ability for the university of Texas to participate in it. And unlike a traditional network which could have gotten by nicely with $1 in network states and around $.25 out of network--a digital network won't be able to land nearly as many subscribers and will cost the subscribers that want it much much more.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

You might not realize it--I do--both Boren and UTs AD are saying indefinite talks, no need for expansion and nothing happening this summer. You may be blind, deaf and dumb, I don't share those issues. UT stated the conference should remain as is--don't want to affect future realignment and Boren is saying very similar things in the quotes I posted about not wanting to do anything.

Future realignment for the BIG 12 depends on P5 schools which won't be available until maybe 2024 with the Pac 12--but since they must get a new deal then, they'll certainly be offering BIG 12 schools by then--after the Big Ten makes a poaching run which they've set up by having contracts expire in 2023 as the BIG 12 must try to renegotiate contracts.

I also hope you realize a school president from a different conference doesn't preclude the ACC from doing anything?

Has anyone from the ACC declared they aren't going after a network because the tv partners have said it isn't possible in this climate? Of course not. So Boren can say whatever he wants, but until the ACC announces the same thing? They appear to still be trying to get one up and running.

The BIG 12 still has the same problem with even a digital network--which they've also been examing for years btw--lack of inventory and lack of ability for the university of Texas to participate in it. And unlike a traditional network which could have gotten by nicely with $1 in network states and around $.25 out of network--a digital network won't be able to land nearly as many subscribers and will cost the subscribers that want it much much more.

What you reference is not new information. This is what Bowlsby and Boren stated right after the spring/summer meetings concluded. The conference still has meetings scheduled for the end of the summer obviously.
Here's some quotes from Boren as the meetings concluded:

excerpt--
Boren said the league’s presidents asked consulting firms Navigate Research and Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures (BHV) to do more research.

“We are certainly continuing to consider possible expansion and what that might do,” he said, “in terms of how it might impact the conference, both positively and negatively. We’re looking at the whole picture.”

But Boren also said this:

“The data for the championship game was absolutely compelling. The data for expansion is going to require some further thought. There’s no doubt that expansion gives some marginal (financial) gain, but how much marginal gain? We have to refine that a little further financially.”

If you’re parsing, pay very close attention to this next part:

“It does give some marginal gain,” Boren continued, “but you have to weight that against reputational impacts. In other words, our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams. We have to determine what that’s going to do to the longtime reputation of the brands at each of the schools and what quality of opponents we’re having.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-12-expanding-one-way-but-not-other/85379550/

Later on Boren said what I posted before--he doesn't see any decisions on expansion later this summer.

This is the same thing Texas' AD said the day before the dissemination of the information--that as far as UT is concerned there is no need for expansion and UT expects the talks about expansion to go on indefinitely. He sees more realignment down the line

excerpt:

"I think the prudent thing for us to do as a conference is stay where we are," Perrin said......

Perrin, however, said that he doesn't see the need for the Big 12 to take any action on expansion this year.

"We have a really strong league when you look at the round-robin schedule," he said. "We had a team in the playoffs last year with Oklahoma. We could've had two teams (TCU and Baylor) in there the year before. I think the [Big 12] is well positioned on television. I think we're well positioned on the playoffs."

Perrin said that he likes the way the league is situated with all but one team operating out of the Central Time Zone. And he suggested that by expanding now, the Big 12 might limit its options down the line and doesn't want to disturb that.
"We're probably going to see another round of alignment," he said.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...horns-athletic-director-says-big-12-expansion

That's what I thought you would say. Even though Bowlsby is the conference commissioner and made his latest remarks yesterday.