--West Virginia head coach Neal Brown said they got beat by a better team and were out played and out coached Saturday. Defensively was the best they played in the first half outside the big pass play. They played really well against the run. The first half on offense they moved the ball well outside the interceptions, but second half was poor. Arizona they are excited to get out there. The quarterback is a play maker and he's been special for two years and they have a big time wide receiver. Defensively they play a lot of man coverage and are aggressive up front with a lot of attacking.

--Wyatt Milum too early to tell on playing this weekend, same with Garrett Greene. Jahiem White they feel good about playing for West Virginia. Jaden Bray will be out. Aubrey Burks will not be available and Ayden Garnes they are hopeful.

--Nicco Marchiol didn't play well. He's going to get a bunch of reps. It's too early to tell on Garrett Greene they are playing it by ear.

--It's a non-starter on whether Greene shouldn't be the starter.

--Brown said they got fortunate that the television people were good to them and they're playing at 7 p.m. eastern. They will fly out of Pittsburgh.

--Each situation you have to be careful not to restrict yourself but they aren't going to put anybody out there that is not ready. All the injuries are on an individual basis, but it's difficult to play with no practice time. It's too early in the week.

--Arizona uses a 4-2-5 but uses a bear front and mixes things up. They give you a lot of different looks and man coverage and they are talented in the back end.

--Ryder Burton will move up to two. He's a young player and had a good career at Colorado in prep. He can run but not somebody you're going to call a run play for. He is good enough to protect himself.

--Johnny Williams has played against Penn State and is getting better. He's getting better and he still has to get stronger but if he's called upon to start he will function at a higher level.

--Marchiol would have to do a good job of blocking out the noise if he's the starter given the fact he played high school ball in Arizona.

--Brown said it doesn't change. Every Monday regardless what happens they have an own it phase and you put the previous game to bed and get ready for the next. Second half they got their tails kicked against Kansas State. They didn't score a touchdown at the end of the half, on 4th and 5 there was a clear holding call that they didn't call and then they get the first down and scored from there.

--If West Virginia plays well on special teams like they did against Kansas State and stop the run they did they could have success. But they need to stop the pass. They need to get the guys that are capable of playing healthy.

--You try to go to a left handed play calls with Marchiol. They run all their pass concepts with their young players to get live reps against a defense. Brown said they didn't run block up front but they pass protected. They have to be better against man coverage and quarterbacks have to do their drops and anticipate throws better and get their eyes in the right windows. Hudson Clement and Traylon Ray won a few times, but they didn't do things to win against man on Saturday.

--Greene took some hits in that game and some that he shouldn't have.

--Would West Virginia miss Wyatt Milum? Yes, but they will have a good plan and they think Johnny Williams is ready.

--All different with head injuries. Two of them occurred on freak plays. A lot of them happen by the ground.

--Brown said they've tried to simplify their drops and hitting their landmarks with zone coverage. West Virginia sold out to stop the run, but if Kansas State was going to beat them it was going to be passing but they made easy completions and they did a nice job post catch. They have to be able to mix some things up and have some answers. The personnel is what it is but they have to evolve so they aren't the same thing every week.

--The pass defense hasn't been good, but the run defense has been very good.

--Brown talked up Beanie Bishop and his night last night and said that he needed a good moment and that was a good moment.

--Preston Fox has had some injury issues so they wanted to get him some touches at kick return and they blocked those really well.

--Brown said they aren't getting as many explosive runs and which isn't allowing them to set up plays down the field in passing.

--West Virginia has played good receivers, but they haven't played anybody like Arizona's wide receiver. They're not going to line up and play one-on-one on him.

Our defense is so bad and has been so bad Neal went to a power offense "to help sustain drives" and do something a little different in our league ..... that only works until it doesn't. It almost seems as if he restrains us in play calling at times....

I do like the idea of "being a little different" in our league on offense or defense.... but he really isn't that different and his restraint in calling plays might be the issue. We look so much better in 2 minute for example.

Speaking of restraining --- Neal overanalyzes everything.... I know they believe in analytics but it has become paralysis by analysis and its plainly obvious...

Neal (and apparently Spouse) think some of our issues are WV owned (inability to recruit I presume --- funding levels etc). I'd say maybe some half truth in that -- even Don Nehlen used to tell the story about flying over Ohio and seeing roof tops and flying over WV and seeing trees (less roof tops less kids). That said recruiting is better than some of the jokers we have lost too. Recruiting for Neal has been maybe a notch up from other Coaches who have won here and he isn't winning.... He hasn't show the ability to overcome those challenges....

Player regression is a real problem under Neal.....

He has been lucky our fans like to party in the stadium lots ---- if both those last 2 games are Noon kicks I suspect you are looking at attendance of 35-40k..... Certainly for UCF when the students are gone.

His time has come and gone. We will need patience though cause I suspect given portal realities we lose a lot of guys (and were going to even if he stayed with graduations). Next year likely to be a struggle....

I wonder how far this will go?

Before we start, try to stay focused on the question. We don't need you to remind us of Neal's record or how many years he's been here. 😅 KSU and Iowa State could be flipped

My list

PSU
KSU
Iowa State
Pitt
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Albany

TTU, Rutgers, and WVU. It goes to show that just "being ranked" is not that difficult to do and that just beating a team that happened to get ranked for 1-2 weeks of the season is not a huge accomplishment on that metric alone. Second, it shows that despite it being so common that in 5.5 years 64 other programs have done it, WVU cannot accomplish it.

GG, White, and Milum stay in the game? Not that it matters but it’s interesting to discuss I think.

I think no. The 2nd half was just mind blowing. Beat the pulse out of us. Defense had no chance. We let a run first QB dominant us through the air without a single rush attempt. What are we doing defense?

Again, would the outcome have changed if those three played the second half? Score wise, we were in it at half time… however it didn’t feel like we were in it.

**also, sorry in advance if this has already been asked. Many make threads after games, hard to track all the info.

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From WDTV

Anyone know how much money was donated to Wvu when West died? I remember the clippers shared about it that he wanted any money donated to Wvu

So…WV increased its payout from the B12 when joining. This was money that we never had before…and I know wvu academic side is not re-imbursing the athletic scholarships like they used to prior to Gee. Can the increase not be used to help with coaches salaries, buyouts, etc? What about the increase in revenue from beer sales we heard about? I must assume that some went to pay lyons remaining salary? But could we not leverage other things to get loans possibly like the B12 has considered as well? Look at our own Gov with what he has done with the capital investment firms… Just trying to see where the money is going….there is an old saying (and I am old) where there is a will there is a way….we had a budget of 9-10 million and made it work. Why not now…why not us? The man needs to move along and we need a change. Jmo.

Does he land another job?

since we are at/rapidly approaching the point of no return, if Brown were to find a lower level job like a Southern Miss, is it probable Wren and Co. would knock down the payment due to WVU to buy him out so much that Brown could easily take a job like that?

I think the answer would be yes but just thinking through all the possible situations where our financial burden could be eased. Then again, Brown isn’t financially incentivized to proactively take a lower level job. But it may be his only option to stay at the HC level immediately.

somehow goes 4-0 in November vs the worst teams in the league and it’s back on the climb.