to MountaineerWV re: Dr. King

[MountaineerWV]

Yeah......Dr. King

 

[Boomboom521]

The ideology is anti-Christ MWV. That is true. Socialists are people who adopt the ideology and again as near as I can find those who do practice it and accept it exclusively absent any Capitalist leanings almost always reject Godly authority in preference or replacement for the State's which by definition means a rejection of Christ.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

to quote the great Margaret Thatcher......"socialism is ok until you run out of other people
s money"......that pretty much sums it up

 

[Boomboom521]

to quote the great Margaret Thatcher......"socialism is ok until you run out of other people
s money"......that pretty much sums it up

It’s a very poor representation of what socialism actually is, and it’s not an entirely accurate quote of what Thatcher was saying either.

But socialism does prevent the private ownership of production, which limits the amount of wealth one can create individually

 

[MountaineerWV]

It’s a very poor representation of what socialism actually is, and it’s not an entirely accurate quote of what Thatcher was saying either.

But socialism does prevent the private ownership of production, which limits the amount of wealth one can create individually

Back during the Great Depression, didn't Father Coughlin call for the nationalization of major industries like railroad and banking? But, he wasn't a man of God or anything like that......was he?

 

[Boomboom521]

Back during the Great Depression, didn't Father Coughlin call for the nationalization of major industries like railroad and banking? But, he wasn't a man of God or anything like that......was he?

But socialism doesn’t work, and MLK didn’t advocate for socialist solutions.....because no one can point to a successful “pure” socialist nation that allows for the worship of Christ.

Yet, he gets to determine who on the board has credibility and accuse other members of avoiding the issues through deflection.

 

[atlkvb]

But socialism doesn’t work, and MLK didn’t advocate for socialist solutions.....because no one can point to a successful “pure” socialist nation that allows for the worship of Christ.

Yet, he gets to determine who on the board has credibility and accuse other members of avoiding the issues through deflection.

The amount of time both you and MWV spent boom either commenting on my intentions or characterizing my positions would have been much more productive and credible spent simply answering the questions I asked you.

But it's all good my good boom boom Man. In many ways if either of you realize it or not, your non answers were in fact answers! So thank you it was informative listening to your silence.

 

[atlkvb]

Back during the Great Depression, didn't Father Coughlin call for the nationalization of major industries like railroad and banking? But, he wasn't a man of God or anything like that......was he?

No of course not...he was a Socialist don't you know?

 

[atlkvb]

That's good boomer. Is she spinning in absolute depiction real time or is her spin relative to the reference she's depicting?

 

[atlkvb]

But socialism doesn’t work, and MLK didn’t advocate for socialist solutions.....because no one can point to a successful “pure” socialist nation that allows for the worship of Christ.

Yet, he gets to determine who on the board has credibility and accuse other members of avoiding the issues through deflection.

And you...the Big boomboom521, gets to single handedly determine what everyone else thinks, intends, subliminally strategizes, is psychologically motivated by, evaluates, illustrates, quantifies, categorizes, depicts, determines or otherwise defers to!

We are so fortunate for your prescient instruction and insightful elucidation into the widest parameters of thought on the OT forum!

Carry on my Man.

 

[Boomboom521]

Sad flailing little man

 

[atlkvb]

to quote the great Margaret Thatcher......"socialism is ok until you run out of other people
s money"......that pretty much sums it up

Who do the Socialists get their money from to redistribute when they get rid of wealthy people?

How are there any wealthy people under a Socialist system anyway? Aren't all incomes supposed to be equal or at least equally distributed so no one has anymore than anyone else? Why it's a veritable worker's paradise don't ya know Snow Sled Baby?

Socialists...UNITE!!!!!!!

 

[atlkvb]

Sad flailing little man

I thought I was spinning? I liked that Chick better boom as a description since you're in charge on the board of describing everyone...she was tight! Use her for me

 

[j.wick]

You Sir have no idea how much your suggestions to me the other day that Dr. King at his core was a Socialist upset me. Living here in Atlanta, knowing many of the people who knew Dr. King best, I was frustrated in my inability to convince you during our discussion that at his core, Dr. King was a Christian believer in the shed blood of Christ and nothing ever replaced that core belief in him!

Don't know if you've ever visited it, but through the power of the internet I'm linking you to Dr. King's memorial to his Life's work located right here in Atlanta: The King memorial center for the study of non violent social change. It is here where one can learn the true heart of this warrior for Almighty God. It is here where you can directly peruse through its archives to read his inner most thoughts, desires, and hopes for the redemption of his fellow Man. You will not find here only his devotion to atheistic Socialism...although you certainly will find his discussions of it, along with other concepts to effect social change like the philosophy of non violence which Christ himself taught. However since you quoted so much of Dr. King...selectively choosing that which fit your argument and ignoring the essence of the Man himself... I thought you'd also consider reading this particular quote from him written back in the early 40's while he was still in Seminary learning his Life's calling:

God’s Judgement on Western Civilization:

"One of the most persistent notes in the Old Testament is the affirmation that God is creator of the World. One of the questions that continually arises in the minds of men is the relationship of God to the nations of the World. The Old Testament is emphatic that God is the maker of Nations and the breaker of nations when they fail to follow his commands".

Dr. Martin Luther King.

link:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/gods-judgment-western-civilization

This was the true heart and belief of Dr. King. There is so much more here to read and learn about this Man of God beyond the limited scope you quoted of him in your posts to me, and I'd encourage you to spend some time reading a broader scope of these quotes rather the ones you selected in a failed attempt to define a Man who at his core, had a heart for Almighty God above that of a Godless State. Here, you will learn about the true Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, and what his Life's calling was all about.

Link to King Center for non violent social change:

http://www.thekingcenter.org/

MLK did not dream about welfare or working at Mcdonalds.
"NO" what I'm sayin?

 

[j.wick]

Who do the Socialists get their money from to redistribute when they get rid of wealthy people?

How are there any wealthy people under a Socialist system anyway? Aren't all incomes supposed to be equal or at least equally distributed so no one has anymore than anyone else? Why it's a veritable worker's paradise don't ya know Snow Sled Baby?

Socialists...UNITE!!!!!!!

Right. Who will pay for their welfare?

 

[atlkvb]

Right. Who will pay for their welfare?

Boomboom521 and MWV...they are both ready to surrender their incomes for redistribution to make it work and prove their point!

 

[atlkvb]

MLK did not dream about welfare or working at Mcdonalds.
"NO" what I'm sayin?

He in fact said "Let Freedom ring" not
"Let Socialism ring"

Calling the late great Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. a "Socialist" is like calling Barrack Obama an "Islamist".

Leftists get their panties all stained when their "Dear Leader" (who was in fact a Socialist) is also called a Muslim.

Yet Obama in fact had more in common with Islam than Doctor King had in common with Marxism. However they want to re write his (Dr. King's) core belief system (which was Christian) and I refuse to sit here and let them!

 

[Boomboom521]

Who do the Socialists get their money from to redistribute when they get rid of wealthy people?

How are there any wealthy people under a Socialist system anyway? Aren't all incomes supposed to be equal or at least equally distributed so no one has anymore than anyone else? Why it's a veritable worker's paradise don't ya know Snow Sled Baby?

Socialists...UNITE!!!!!!!

MLK did not dream about welfare or working at Mcdonalds.
"NO" what I'm sayin?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thered...about-socialism-redistribution-of-wealth/amp/

Read. Try to understand the things you rail against.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boomboom521 and MWV...they are both ready to surrender their incomes for redistribution to make it work and prove their point!

I never once advocated for a communist system

 

[MountaineerWV]

Dr. King spoke of socialist solutions = Dr. King was a believer in socialism

 

[MountaineerWV]

I guess if a white person calls you the "N" word, then they aren't racist then........right?

 

[Boomboom521]

He in fact said "Let Freedom ring" not
"Let Socialism ring"

Calling the late great Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. a "Socialist" is like calling Barrack Obama an "Islamist".

Leftists get their panties all stained when their "Dear Leader" (who was in fact a Socialist) is also called a Muslim.

Yet Obama in fact had more in common with Islam than Doctor King had in common with Marxism. However they want to re write his (Dr. King's) core belief system (which was Christian) and I refuse to sit here and let them!

I never once said that MLK advocates for a complete overturn of our capitalist system....only that he advocated for socialist solutions for economic issues.....which he did. No matter how many bs posts you make trying to change the narrative of the thread. MWV never ONCE advocated for the change to a socialist system in the posts I’ve read. I know I never did, because I don’t believe in it. I HAVE however said that MLK advocated for socialist solutions, and that Marxism and the Communist governments that came to pass under the scope of his political assertions were at their core remarkably different.

 

[atlkvb]

I never once advocated for a communist system

Of course not. You believe in the pursuit of private wealth accumulation, ability of the individual to seek their desires and keep whatever they produce or create without it being confiscated by an ever expanding Government. You've always stood for free markets, limited Government, morality, Faith and Freedom!

You've been very clear about all of that boom.

 

[Boomboom521]

Of course not. You believe in the pursuit of private wealth accumulation, ability of the individual to seek their desires and keep whatever they produce or create without it being confiscated by an ever expanding Government. You've always stood for free markets, limited Government, morality, Faith and Freedom!

You've been very clear about all of that boom.

I believe - you self righteous fool - in socialist solutions to many problems. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in democracy, and a representative government.

You conflate everything you read different than your own opinion into one mass of ridiculousness. Doesn’t make it so, outside of your head.

 

[atlkvb]

I never once said that MLK advocates for a complete overturn of our capitalist system....only that he advocated for socialist solutions for economic issues.....which he did. No matter how many bs posts you make trying to change the narrative of the thread. MWV never ONCE advocated for the change to a socialist system in the posts I’ve read. I know I never did, because I don’t believe in it. I HAVE however said that MLK advocated for socialist solutions, and that Marxism and the Communist governments that came to pass under the scope of his political assertions were at their core remarkably different.

If you or MWV agree Dr. King was not a Socialist what the Hell did we spend 10 pages arguing about?

All I said was he saw Socialist solutions as possible remedies to correct the immorality of racism he viewed as a Christian. Neither of you seemed to believe that was his motivation....only his Socialist ideology to correct the evils of Capitalism.

 

[atlkvb]

I believe - you self righteous fool - in socialist solutions to many problems. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in democracy, and a representative government.

You conflate everything you read different than your own opinion into one mass of ridiculousness. Doesn’t make it so, outside of your head.

Is that opinion you have of me relative to this particular debate or an absolute which you claim doesn't exist?

 

[atlkvb]

I believe - you self righteous fool - in socialist solutions to many problems. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in democracy, and a representative government.

You conflate everything you read different than your own opinion into one mass of ridiculousness. Doesn’t make it so, outside of your head.

I believe Socialism fails wherever it is tried and history is replete with its failures. I also believe it frustrates the Socialist out of you that you cannot point to one historical example of its unquestioned ongoing success.

Now go ahead and start naming Capitalist countries like the good old USA as Socialist experiments that worked and remember to leave out places like Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, East Germany, North Korea, Vietnamese North, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Nicaragua, and of course Mother Russia of the now defunct Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

 

[Boomboom521]

If you or MWV agree Dr. King was not a Socialist what the Hell did we spend 10 pages arguing about?

All I said was he saw Socialist solutions as possible remedies to correct the immorality of racism he viewed as a Christian. Neither of you seemed to believe that was his motivation....only his Socialist ideology to correct the evils of Capitalism.

That post makes no sense. I just said that I never claimed he was a socialist....he very well might have been. And playing a racism card, as if though that makes MLK’s socialist ideology less socialist in nature, is just your sad little bs. And the pages are filled with YOU flailing about, after being schooled on the fact that MLK had socialist ideology....and you have no real basic understanding of what Marxism actually is. With a touch of your self righteous “I’m a better Christian than you” bs thrown at MWV, and also a little of your pitiful aggressive demeaning hidden behind the guise of tolerance and a desire to understand. Oh and I forgot your questions. Your semi-rhetorical, loaded, gotcha questions that you try to use to change the narrative into what you want it to be, so you can sadly claim a small little victory in the argument that you morph from the page into your own head.

 

[Boomboom521]

Is that opinion you have of me relative to this particular debate or an absolute which you claim doesn't exist?

Pretty much every conversation I’ve had with you. Even when discussing my own personal spiritual beliefs. It’s fvcking pitiful, really.

 

[atlkvb]

That post makes no sense. I just said that I never claimed he was a socialist....he very well might have been. And playing a racism card, as if though that makes MLK’s socialist ideology less socialist in nature, is just your sad little bs. And the pages are filled with YOU flailing about, after being schooled on the fact that MLK had socialist ideology....and you have no real basic understanding of what Marxism actually is. With a touch of your self righteous “I’m a better Christian than you” bs thrown at MWV, and also a little of your pitiful aggressive demeaning hidden behind the guise of tolerance and a desire to understand. Oh and I forgot your questions. Your semi-rhetorical, loaded, gotcha questions that you try to use to change the narrative into what you want it to be, so you can sadly claim a small little victory in the argument that you morph from the page into your own head.

I do all of that and still manage to stifle answers to my meaningless questions from you boom? Why don't you just try a meaningless answer then?

Try this. Are Socialist residents free to criticize their Socialist leaders or vote them out of Office if they don't like the Socialism or simply freely leave if they can't get it to their liking?

Just give me a silly nonsensical answer to that one boom instead of avoiding it. I know it's a self righteous "got cha" question but you should still be able to knock that one out of the park because I'm such a pompous mofo for even asking it!

 

[Boomboom521]

I believe Socialism fails wherever it is tried and history is replete with its failures. I also believe it frustrates the Socialist out of you that you cannot point to one historical example of its unquestioned ongoing success.

Now go ahead and start naming Capitalist countries like the good old USA as Socialist experiments that worked and remember to leave out places like Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, East Germany, North Korea, Vietnamese North, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Nicaragua, and of course Mother Russia of the now defunct Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Round and round we go. Socialist solutions are at work here to success. They worked in higher volume with success in other nations. Capitalism was close to failure, and socialist solutions brought it back from near death.

But you keep spinning around with your circular logic. Doesn’t change the FACT that socialism isn’t communism, and MLK believed in socialist ideology. Blah blah blah.

 

[Boomboom521]

I do all of that and still manage to stifle answers to my meaningless questions from you boom? Why don't you just try a meaningless answer then?

Try this. Are Socialist residents free to criticize their Socialist leaders or vote them out of Office if they don't like the Socialism or simply freely leave if they can't get it to their liking?

Just give me a silly nonsensical answer to that one boom instead of avoiding it. I know it's a self righteous "got cha" question but you should still be able to knock that one out of the park because I'm such a pompous mofo even asking it!

It’s a ridiculous question - and you’d know that if you had even the basic understanding that socialism, Marxism, Communism even Leninism have distinct differences. Socialism is the control of the production or the industry by the people not individuals. Whether the representative of the people is an elected representative government, a communist state, or some collective (such as a worker union for example) is dependent on the system in question.

So the answer to your ridiculous question depends upon the system in which you are referring. Now I’m sure you are referring to one of the communist governments in which you listed in the above post - to which the answer is no - but those nations didn’t follow Marxism, and did not prevent the creation of a ruling elite like socialism advocates for and requires to work effectively.

 

[atlkvb]

Pretty much every conversation I’ve had with you. Even when discussing my own personal spiritual beliefs. It’s fvcking pitiful, really.

If there was some way we could have an honest conversation about that boom we both might learn something. But just as you said it usually ends poorly with your name calling or dismissing my Faith, and me totally confused over what your's is. Why is all the strife on my side? What pejorative name calling do I engage in when having honest disagreements with you?

Am I not allowed to question you? Challenge you? Ask for clarification? Explanation?

You constantly berate me. I'm self righteous. Self centered. Self annointed. Self immolative even!!! Do you ever just disagree with me respectfully or better yet prove where I am in error without derisively dismissing my very existence?

Like this...boomer try this...explain Freedom boom as you see it in a Socialist country of your choosing compared to Freedom in America that places a Creator as responsible for our Freedoms. I don't believe Socialist countries place a Creator above the State but if I'm wrong about that can you show me where I am incorrect?

Could you answer that boom without the name calling and characterizations of my pomposity for simply asking it? If I'm wrong about that, just show me where?

 

[atlkvb]

It’s a ridiculous question - and you’d know that if you had even the basic understanding that socialism, Marxism, Communism even Leninism have distinct differences. Socialism is the control of the production or the industry by the people not individuals. Whether the representative of the people is an elected representative government, a communist state, or some collective (such as a worker union for example) is dependent on the system in question.

So the answer to your ridiculous question depends upon the system in which you are referring. Now I’m sure you are referring to one of the communist governments in which you listed in the above post - to which the answer is no - but those nations didn’t follow Marxism, and did not prevent the creation of a ruling elite like socialism advocates for and requires to work effectively.

OK...so they weren't following Marxism? OK...what then?

I asked if the people were free to challenge whatever the ruling order was? Free to replace it with something else? Free to leave if they didn't like the replacement? What type of input into that Socialist order did they have or did the State allow if it wasn't following a Marxist model?

 

[atlkvb]

It’s a ridiculous question - and you’d know that if you had even the basic understanding that socialism, Marxism, Communism even Leninism have distinct differences. Socialism is the control of the production or the industry by the people not individuals. Whether the representative of the people is an elected representative government, a communist state, or some collective (such as a worker union for example) is dependent on the system in question.

So the answer to your ridiculous question depends upon the system in which you are referring. Now I’m sure you are referring to one of the communist governments in which you listed in the above post - to which the answer is no - but those nations didn’t follow Marxism, and did not prevent the creation of a ruling elite like socialism advocates for and requires to work effectively.

Hey boom....was the ACA Socialist?

Did it work?

 

[atlkvb]

It’s a ridiculous question - and you’d know that if you had even the basic understanding that socialism, Marxism, Communism even Leninism have distinct differences. Socialism is the control of the production or the industry by the people not individuals. Whether the representative of the people is an elected representative government, a communist state, or some collective (such as a worker union for example) is dependent on the system in question.

So the answer to your ridiculous question depends upon the system in which you are referring. Now I’m sure you are referring to one of the communist governments in which you listed in the above post - to which the answer is no - but those nations didn’t follow Marxism, and did not prevent the creation of a ruling elite like socialism advocates for and requires to work effectively.

OK I'll accept that answer. So just give me one example among that panoply you mentioned where the people who were running the Socialism had a chance to vote it out or leave if they didn't like the choices offered. Just one and how that worked?

 

[atlkvb]

Round and round we go. Socialist solutions are at work here to success. They worked in higher volume with success in other nations. Capitalism was close to failure, and socialist solutions brought it back from near death.

But you keep spinning around with your circular logic. Doesn’t change the FACT that socialism isn’t communism, and MLK believed in socialist ideology. Blah blah blah.

What works better boom?

Socialist countries struggling with Socialism and Capitalism is allowed to help or save the Socialist experiment?

Or Capitlaist countries struggling to make free markets work and they introduce the perfect mix of Socialism to save Capitalism's inexorable collapse?

Whatever your answer is, explain why one was the savior of the other with the example that proves the solution was superior to the problem caused by the lesser system.

 

[atlkvb]

Here's one for ya boom. As you know many Foreigners want to immigrate here. Some of them live in Socialist countries. Do you think they want to come here for more of what they already have under the Socialism they are living with or do they want to come here to get away from all of that and live under our Capitalistic Freedoms?

 

[atlkvb]

OK...OK...try this one boom.

Can you name a Socialist country folks around the World are lining up to get into because it works so well? What Socialist country is the best example of the Socialist model working exactly as it should and everyone loves it and is happy with the results?

 

[atlkvb]

How about this one boom. What in your opinion is or has been the best Socialist experiment to date and how much better is it than whatever else compares to it?

What's that Socialist utopia everybody is trying to emulate?