Saying Rich Rod failed after WVU is just moronic

[steeleer]

I'm not excusing Rod, but after the fact it makes sense as to why he chased the dollar so hard. He had some large real estate investments that went belly up and they were costly. When that happens, everything becomes $$$ and I think that played a role in his leaving. He fought that buyout so hard (and dirty) because I heavily doubt he had even $100K available at that time, let alone $4M.

 

[steeleer]

I'm sorry I'm not going
to read closely, your comments...my mistake here is engaging in a debate with you.

I do not hold grudges, here.
I do not believe, in what you believe.

RichRod will never be
in West Virginia HOF,
NEVER EVER.
RichRod WV damages
will never be erased.

RICHROD will never be invited back.

Ps....I heard "through the Grapevine" that RichRod lobbied Oliver Luck
to return to WVU
when he failed at Michigan.

Oliver turned down RichRod to return to WV.

Good move as well. You rarely even see those rehires go well. Catching lightning in a bottle twice is hard.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Seems you've gone around the bend. There is so much good ammo to back up your stance against RR. However you torpedo your point when you include bullshit arguments and extraneous data. It's a bullshit argument that RR "destroyed Nehlen's roster." RR may have created a different looking roster, but it wasn't a definitively inferior one. He did not destroy the roster. Only coach that did that since 1980 was Holgorsen. It's a bullshit argument to bring up players in the WVU HoF that played under the coach. You mention Major and Talley, but ignore Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Dan Mozes? It's extraneous information that Nehlen is in the HoF and RR is not when your point isn't purely that Nehlen is superior to RR. Your point is that RR is bad and to that end you cannot acknowledge anything that might be good and that's where your credibility takes a dive. There is no logical way you can say a guy who created 2 BCS Bowl winning teams and came within a hair of the national title game, albeit by way of a self inflicted wound, is not at least good at something. For at least a few years RR was able to assemble a roster and then use that roster very effectively in creating a solid team. Sure it was not sustained success. Maybe he was a prick in practice. Maybe he was a prick in his private life. Maybe he divorced WVU in a terrible way. None of that if true changes the fact that from 2005-2007, WVU had great success and it wasn't just "the coach got lucky"

WELL, I OWE YOU A STEAK DINNER IF WE EVER GET TOGETHER. I LOVE EATING AND CHATTING WITH INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. RICH IS ONE OF THE BEST COACHES EVER AT WVU, IF YOU JUST GO BY THE NUMBERS. CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS, IN MY OPINION, IS #1 BECAUSE HE HAD AN UNDEFEATED SEASON. DID DON DO THAT? LOOK, I LOVE DON AND HE CERTAINLY CAN CLAIM 1988 #2 IN NATION EVEN THOUGH HE BEAT ONLY ONE TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD. DANA DID SOME GOOD THINGS. YOU CAN'T THRASH A GUY BECAUSE OF HIS WILD HAIR AND CASINO PROBLEM IF YOU'RE TALKING W-L RESULTS. PEOPLE LET HATE RUIN THEIR LOGICAL THINKING.

 

[mofo]

Don Nehlen
had 2 undefeated Seasons.

88
93

Maybe,
you all were in Diapers in 88/93.
RichRod never finished season undefeated.

Bowl season, I guess is different
for the purpose of this slanted discussion.

 

[mofo]

Um
plse for NOT Confuse
Fact, Emotions, with Logic.

Do not Confuse HOF,
Hall of Fame Members
with Pretend Leaders.

 

[mofo]

All CAPS is so authoritative.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Don Nehlen
had 2 undefeated Seasons.

88
93

Maybe,
you all were in Diapers in 88/93.
RichRod never finished season undefeated.

Bowl season, I guess is different
for the purpose of this slanted discussion.

I'LL LET THE NUMBERS DO THE TALKING FOR ME.

THE NUMBERS SAY RICH WAS #3 BEST COACH IN WVU HISTORY.

DON WAS #2.

DOC SPEARS WAS #1.

1. 1922 10-0-1 Coach Clarence “Doc” Spears. Beat Gonzaga in East-West Shrine Game, precursor to the Rose Bowl, so I consider it a national title long before polls determined such things.
2. 1988 11-1 Coach Don Nehlen. Plays Notre Dame for mythical national title but lost partly because QB Major Harris dislocated his shoulder on the 3rd scrimmage play of the game. Also lost bowl game for 11-1 after 1993 season.
3. 2005 Coach Rich Rodriguez. 11-1 and won Sugar Bowl against Georgia.
4. 1969 Coach Jim Carlen 10-1 in 4th & final season at WVU.
5. 1925 Ira Rodgers 8-1. “Rat” was 8-2 in 1928. He was my phys ed teacher during my WVU undergraduate days (I am Class of 1954).
6. 1954 Coach Art “Pappy” Lewis. 8-1.
7. 1905 Coach Clark Forkum 8-1.
8. 1937 Coach Marshall “Sleepy” Glenn. 8-1-1.
9. 1903 Coach Harry Trout 7-1.
10. 1898 Coach Harry Anderson 6-1.

 

[mofo]

Let talk numbers

149 West Virginia wins

61 is 2nd
60 is 3rd

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Let talk numbers

149 West Virginia wins

61 is 2nd
60 is 3rd

YOU LEFT OUT SOME NUMBERS:

DON LOST 93 GAMES. THAT'S MORE THAN ANY COACH IN WVU HISTORY. BUT NEITHER YOU OR I WOULD SAY THAT HE'S THE WORST COACH AT WVU.

WINNING PERCENTAGES IS A MORE ACCURATE GAUGE:

DOC SPEARS HAD THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE AT 83.8%
NEHLEN WAS 61.6%
BILL STEWART WAS 70%
RICH WAS 69.8%
JIM CARLEN WAS 65.8%
BOB BOWDEN WAS 61.8%

THE NUMBERS SAY NEHLEN WAS #6 BEST COACH. I GAVE HIM CREDIT FOR #2.
BEST WINNING PERCENTAGES, AND THERE'S NO ARGUMENT: 1. SPEARS. 2. STEWART. 3. RICH. 4. CARLEN. 5. BOWDEN. 6. NEHLEN.

YOUR OPINION AND MY OPINION DON'T MATTER. WINNING PERCENTAGES ARE, IN ORDER, SPEARS, STEWART, RICH, CARLEN, BOWDEN AND NEHLEN. PERIOD.

 

[mofo]

149

 

[mofo]

149

 

[mofo]

149

one hundred and forty nine

 

[mofo]

Not 61

not 60

149

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I was never sure if that was true but I had heard from some close to the situation that he wanted some very shady things.

I was never sure if that was true but

BUT YOU THROW IT OUT THERE AS IF IT IS BECAUSE YOU HATE ROD, NOT BECAUSE HE WON QUITE OFTEN FOR WVU, BUT BECAUSE HIS DEMEANOR RANKLED YOU. HOW MANY NICE GUYS DO YOU THINK WIN NATIONAL TITLES?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Rich Rod ...WVU'S best coach ever. Period. Only the immature and uninformed children would think otherwise.

Interesting defense of your biased and irrational conclusion. The best coach ever doesn't give up the Pitt game for any price. That alone should keep him from ever being a P5 head coach again. But the sanctions he brought upon Michigan are hard to overlook also. Good defensive back though. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty immature and uneducated to be 68 yoa with a degree in Criminal Justice. But how could I be uninformed having read so many of your posts?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Like I said, Holgorsen only won "big" games when it didn't matter for the season. He had a 10 win season in a down Big 12, but couldn't win a big game there against the only 2 conference foes worth a damn that year. Never could win a game against a ranked team with the conference on the line. Holgs never would've won the 2005 or 2007 Louisville games. So a coach with less wins and a comparable winning percentage that actual won the conference and a prestigious bowl more than once is better than the coach that never won the conference or a meaningful bowl game on their own.

They both had their moments good and bad. But if Coach B left tomorrow would you hire either one to replace him? I wouldn't. I want a HC on the rise, not on a downward career slide.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Seems you've gone around the bend. There is so much good ammo to back up your stance against RR. However you torpedo your point when you include bullshit arguments and extraneous data. It's a bullshit argument that RR "destroyed Nehlen's roster." RR may have created a different looking roster, but it wasn't a definitively inferior one. He did not destroy the roster. Only coach that did that since 1980 was Holgorsen. It's a bullshit argument to bring up players in the WVU HoF that played under the coach. You mention Major and Talley, but ignore Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Dan Mozes? It's extraneous information that Nehlen is in the HoF and RR is not when your point isn't purely that Nehlen is superior to RR. Your point is that RR is bad and to that end you cannot acknowledge anything that might be good and that's where your credibility takes a dive. There is no logical way you can say a guy who created 2 BCS Bowl winning teams and came within a hair of the national title game, albeit by way of a self inflicted wound, is not at least good at something. For at least a few years RR was able to assemble a roster and then use that roster very effectively in creating a solid team. Sure it was not sustained success. Maybe he was a prick in practice. Maybe he was a prick in his private life. Maybe he divorced WVU in a terrible way. None of that if true changes the fact that from 2005-2007, WVU had great success and it wasn't just "the coach got lucky"

You state your case in a reasonable and quite compelling manner now. Leaving emotion either way and bitterness out of it, RR made WVU a top 10 program for a little while, I remember that. How he left, why he left and his lack of success since then does not erase that. The Pitt loss will always be a bitter pill to swallow because it took away a chance to play for the NC. It was a poorly coached game by WVU and brilliant strategy by Pitt coaches, but it was still a single game. As they say, you'll have that.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Interesting defense of your biased and irrational conclusion. The best coach ever doesn't give up the Pitt game for any price. That alone should keep him from ever being a P5 head coach again. But the sanctions he brought upon Michigan are hard to overlook also. Good defensive back though. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty immature and uneducated to be 68 yoa with a degree in Criminal Justice. But how could I be uninformed having read so many of your posts?

METHINKS YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH. I DON'T GET IRATE WHEN PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME. ALSO I NOTICE THE CLOSER I AM TO THE TRUTH THE ANGIER THE RESPONSES GET. RICH DID NOT GIVE UP THE PITT GAME. PAT WHITE WAS INJURED SO BADLY THAT HE MADE A POOR PASS INTO THE NORTH END ZONE AT THE END THAT WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME INSTEAD OF LOSING 9-13. A VICTORY OVER PITT AND PLAYING FOR THE NATIONAL CROWN WOULD HAVE BEEN A CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT FOR RICH. IT'S LUDICROUS TO THINK THAT HE WOULD THROW THE GAME IN A FIT OF ANGER AT THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, WHO WAS COASTING TOWARD RETIREMENT. A DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU TO LISTEN TO THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE IT TAKES YOU. I DO THAT, AND HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE WHEN I SEE THAT IT SHOWS ME I WAS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. MY 43 YEARS AS A NEWSPAPER EDITOR INCLUDING 20 AS A SPORTSWRITER TAUGHT ME THAT. AS A SPORTSWRITER IN WEST VIRGINIA, OHIO AND FLORIDA. CHILL, AND SEEK THE TRUTH. YOU'LL LIVE LONGER AND HAPPIER. THAT'S HOW I GOT TO BE 88 YEARS OLD.

BY THE WAY I DID NOT SAY RICH WAS THE BEST COACH EVER. I SAID CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS WAS BECAUSE HE WON WHAT I CONSIDER THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME IN 1922 BY BEATING GONZAGA IN THE EAST-WEST CLASSIC, PRECURSOR TO THE ROSE BOWL. I LISTED DON NEHLEN #2 AND RICH #3. READING COMPRENSION PROBLEM FOR AN ATTORNEY IS NOT A GOOD THING.

 

[mofo]

Again as stated earlier, whether you understand or not,

But this discussion is an example of the desperation and Gullibility of West Virginia Fans & Fan Base.

Collectively Both Holgerson & RichRod totalled- WVU win Totals (61 + 60) Do Not approach Don Nehlen total WV win...149.

RichRod will never be in WVU Hall of Fame nor invited Back, Ceremonially.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

METHINKS YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH. I DON'T GET IRATE WHEN PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME. ALSO I NOTICE THE CLOSER I AM TO THE TRUTH THE ANGIER THE RESPONSES GET. RICH DID NOT GIVE UP THE PITT GAME. PAT WHITE WAS INJURED SO BADLY THAT HE MADE A POOR PASS INTO THE NORTH END ZONE AT THE END THAT WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME INSTEAD OF LOSING 9-13. A VICTORY OVER PITT AND PLAYING FOR THE NATIONAL CROWN WOULD HAVE BEEN A CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT FOR RICH. IT'S LUDICROUS TO THINK THAT HE WOULD THROW THE GAME IN A FIT OF ANGER AT THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, WHO WAS COASTING TOWARD RETIREMENT. A DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU TO LISTEN TO THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE IT TAKES YOU. I DO THAT, AND HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE WHEN I SEE THAT IT SHOWS ME I WAS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. MY 43 YEARS AS A NEWSPAPER EDITOR INCLUDING 20 AS A SPORTSWRITER TAUGHT ME THAT. AS A SPORTSWRITER IN WEST VIRGINIA, OHIO AND FLORIDA. CHILL, AND SEEK THE TRUTH. YOU'LL LIVE LONGER AND HAPPIER. THAT'S HOW I GOT TO BE 88 YEARS OLD.

BY THE WAY I DID NOT SAY RICH WAS THE BEST COACH EVER. I SAID CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS WAS BECAUSE HE WON WHAT I CONSIDER THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME IN 1922 BY BEATING GONZAGA IN THE EAST-WEST CLASSIC, PRECURSOR TO THE ROSE BOWL. I LISTED DON NEHLEN #2 AND RICH #3. READING COMPRENSION PROBLEM FOR AN ATTORNEY IS NOT A GOOD THING.

I was having a little fun at your expense, sorry. Pitt knew which way Pat nearly always ran according to one of their coaches. You know the strangest little action by a lineman or the QB himself can become a habit that gives away a play and it can be spotted by the right pair of eyes. I'm sure you know it happens and it tends to be a one game thing before it's resolved. The Pitt coach was likely eager to point it out to Rich after the game and I have no reason to think he lied. He could have just claimed they were the better team.

How do I really feel about Rich strictly during his time at WVU? My last post right above yours covers it. Due to your longevity, I have to ask. Did you also see this in person?

 

[mofo]

I was having a little fun at your expense, sorry. Pitt knew which way Pat nearly always ran according to one of their coaches. You know the strangest little action by a lineman or the QB himself can become a habit that gives away a play and it can be spotted by the right pair of eyes. I'm sure you know it happens and it tends to be a one game thing before it's resolved. The Pitt coach was likely eager to point it out to Rich after the game and I have no reason to think he lied. He could have just claimed they were the better team.

How do I really feel about Rich strictly during his time at WVU? My last post right above yours covers it. Due to your longevity, I have to ask. Did you also see this in person?

View embedded media

That Pittsburgh game was the biggest failure in WVU Sports History - as RichRod Coked all over himself.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

That Pittsburgh game was the biggest failure in WVU Sports History - as RichRod Coked all over himself.

I would say the second biggest failure happened to Coach Bowden on 10/19/1970. It also happened to be at Pitt and WVU had a 35-8 lead at halftime. Pitt came back and scored four unanswered TDs in the second half and won 36-35. Coach Bowden said later he learned something that day. Never play to not lose, play to win no matter what the score is.

 

[mofo]

We can "Huff and Puff" here all
you all want.

But nothing is worse then Losing to Pittsburgh on that cold night that would have sent WVU to the National Championship, and there are many painful experiences.

Then Bolting to Michigan.



In this Public Relations drive to Safe RichRod Reputation
but RichRod will Never be Honored at West Virginia and RichRod will never make College Football HOF.

RichRod made his bed

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

You state your case in a reasonable and quite compelling manner now. Leaving emotion either way and bitterness out of it, RR made WVU a top 10 program for a little while, I remember that. How he left, why he left and his lack of success since then does not erase that. The Pitt loss will always be a bitter pill to swallow because it took away a chance to play for the NC. It was a poorly coached game by WVU and brilliant strategy by Pitt coaches, but it was still a single game. As they say, you'll have that.

I am not defending RR. I think he is a selfish, arrogant prick that burned this bridge and I would be ashamed if the University brought him back in any significant capacity. He is also 20 years removed from his time of being innovative. My point though is against this "splitting" mentality where if someone is a POS that you can't acknowledge anything they did that was good lest you are accused of agreeing that EVERYTHING that person did or was is good. So despite my position on RR as stated above, it is revisionist history to paint him as a bad coach. He's no Nehlen, but definitely better than anyone else since Bowden. All the other failings of the man does not discount that as head coach the program did a pretty efficient job at recruiting what they could, developing what they got, and using those strengths effectively in game planning.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

I would say the second biggest failure happened to Coach Bowden on 10/19/1970. It also happened to be at Pitt and WVU had a 35-8 lead at halftime. Pitt came back and scored four unanswered TDs in the second half and won 36-35. Coach Bowden said later he learned something that day. Never play to not lose, play to win no matter what the score is.

Well there was a little more to that loss than play calling.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I was having a little fun at your expense, sorry. Pitt knew which way Pat nearly always ran according to one of their coaches. You know the strangest little action by a lineman or the QB himself can become a habit that gives away a play and it can be spotted by the right pair of eyes. I'm sure you know it happens and it tends to be a one game thing before it's resolved. The Pitt coach was likely eager to point it out to Rich after the game and I have no reason to think he lied. He could have just claimed they were the better team.

How do I really feel about Rich strictly during his time at WVU? My last post right above yours covers it. Due to your longevity, I have to ask. Did you also see this in person?

View embedded media

HELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH YESTERDAY. BUT IF THE GAME WAS IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD IN THE PAST 30+ YEARS I SAW IT. I ONLY MISSED 2 GAMES, AND 1 WAS BECAUSE AN ICESTORM CAUSED A 100-CAR PILEUP ON I-79 AND MY SISTER IN RIVESVILLE CALLED TO WARN ME NOT TO COME TO THE GAME. I WAS ALMOST IN YOUNGSTOWN AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK HOME. MY FAVORITE MEMORIES WERE OF DARYLL TALLEY TERRORIZING QUARTERBACKS, HALFBACKS, FULLBACKS AND LINEMEN TRYING TO KEEP DARRYL FROM COMING OFF THE END TO DO HIS DAMAGE. THAT GUY IS BY FAR THE #1 DEFENDER IN MY LIFETIME. EVEN BETTER THAN SAM HUFF, WHO DID FAR MORE IN THE NFL THAN HE DID AT WVU, ALTHOUGH HE WAS GOOD FOR MY ALMA MATER. AS FOR OFFENSE, NOBODY COMES CLOSE TO TAVON AUSTIN. HE WAS A DISAPPEARING ACT THAT NO DEFENDER COULD STAY WITH. I KNOW THE MAJOR WAS GREAT, BUT TAVON'S 500-YARD GAME AGAINST OKLAHOMA IN THE 50-49 LOSS WAS EPIC. MY SON-IN-LAW WITH ME IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD AND I WERE BREATHLESS.

 

[mofo]

HELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH YESTERDAY. BUT IF THE GAME WAS IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD IN THE PAST 30+ YEARS I SAW IT. I ONLY MISSED 2 GAMES, AND 1 WAS BECAUSE AN ICESTORM CAUSED A 100-CAR PILEUP ON I-79 AND MY SISTER IN RIVESVILLE CALLED TO WARN ME NOT TO COME TO THE GAME. I WAS ALMOST IN YOUNGSTOWN AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK HOME. MY FAVORITE MEMORIES WERE OF DARYLL TALLEY TERRORIZING QUARTERBACKS, HALFBACKS, FULLBACKS AND LINEMEN TRYING TO KEEP DARRYL FROM COMING OFF THE END TO DO HIS DAMAGE. THAT GUY IS BY FAR THE #1 DEFENDER IN MY LIFETIME. EVEN BETTER THAN SAM HUFF, WHO DID FAR MORE IN THE NFL THAN HE DID AT WVU, ALTHOUGH HE WAS GOOD FOR MY ALMA MATER. AS FOR OFFENSE, NOBODY COMES CLOSE TO TAVON AUSTIN. HE WAS A DISAPPEARING ACT THAT NO DEFENDER COULD STAY WITH. I KNOW THE MAJOR WAS GREAT, BUT TAVON'S 500-YARD GAME AGAINST OKLAHOMA IN THE 50-49 LOSS WAS EPIC. MY SON-IN-LAW WITH ME IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD AND I WERE BREATHLESS.

?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ass, who gives a sht in this discussion?

This debate has gone ashtray - as you all wasted most of our lives with this 48 or 96++ hour debate,
which we'll never get back.

But we are back to the same spot.

West Virginia is NOT interested in NCAA Probation - nor is WVU interested in being accused of Racist practices by coaches who are fleding to Michigan with their "hair plugs on fire", WHILE NOT WANTING TO PAY A CONTRACTUAL Buy Out to the tune of $4 million.

This cannot be ignored when a debate on WVU "greatness", is occurring.

60 wins + unnecessary DRAMA (unnecessary CAPS, to make a point) does Not Match (and never Will match)
a College Football HOF Coach
plus 149 WVU Wins.

Waste of time,
Waste of Space this crap.

WV can't help that the "Prodacal Coal Miners Son" is simply -- White Trash and now morfed into
a Spoiled Million Aire.

Sorry
but I ain't that Sorry.

Wvu fans aren't as Stupid as the examples credited Here.

 

[mofo]

"Prodacal Coal Miners Son"
- turned "White Trash Spoiled Millionaire".

Simply Cannot make this stuff up.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

"Prodacal Coal Miners Son"
- turned "White Trash Spoiled Millionaire".

Simply Cannot make this stuff up.

Taught us a new word, also. I understand quite well the parable from the book of Luke regarding the prodigal son, but prodacal is new to me. Perhaps a synonym?

 

[mofo]

Taught us a new word, also. I understand quite well the parable from the book of Luke regarding the prodigal son, but prodacal is new to me. Perhaps a synonym?

Yes sir...

I kinda think my spelling/grammar
kinda Fits the Logic Preached here.

As far as the message, when I reflect on what I wrote here
- RichRod was "greatness lost", not "greatness attained".

Oh well - as I laugh about your corrections I only offer,
I made it through
WVU Engineering School,
32 years USNAVY Engineering; thus,
32 Years Chief Engineering Office NAVSEA
by my ability to Communicate Verbally,
Talk and Think.

Harsh my comments, but Truth Hurts.

 

[older gold]

At Michigan a place where it's hard for many coaches to succeed he increased his win total every year.

Went 7-4 against a Big10 schedule probably a little more impressive than Brown's second season at WVU.

If he's given that 4th season he has a BCS Bowl team. Michigan stupidly jumped the gun on firing him. It took him 5 seasons at WVU to actually get it going.

At Arizona he had Two 8 win seasons

One 10 win season

Two 7 win seasons

One losing season.

Going 45-35 at Arizona is like going 45-35 at Wake Forest or Vanderbilt. I lived in Phoenix during his Arizona years, trust me ASU and Arizona are tough places to win at. Why go to Southern Arizona when you can go to Southern California or a Blue Blood like Texas. That area is twice as difficult to recruit to as WVU deals with.

I get hating him because you feel betrayed but saying he failed (like a few select people claim) is silly and an uneducated biased claim. Get over it.

Michigan IS NOT a hard place for coaches to succeed.

Rich's record at Michigan speaks for itself....worst in school history. His Big 10 conference record was a mere 6-18 at one of the storied programs in all of college football. That is not subjective...those are the facts. Take the time to look at the history of Michigan football and you will see why he got canned.

At Arizona, he was ordinary at best. His Pac 12 conference W-L record was only 24-30.

Bottom line is that Rich has not performed very well as a head coach at the P5 level, and that is one of the reasons that he is no longer in demand by P5 programs as a head coach.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Yes sir...

I kinda think my spelling/grammar
kinda Fits the Logic Preached here.

As far as the message, when I reflect on what I wrote here
- RichRod was "greatness lost", not "greatness attained".

Oh well - as I laugh about your corrections,
I made it through
WVU Engineering School &
32 years USNAVY Engineering,
32 Years Chief Engineering Office NAVSEA
by my ability to Communicate Verbally,
Talk and Think.

Harsh my comments, but Truth Hurts.

Again, it was just a dig . I realized what you were doing there. I spent some time copy editing also but to a much lesser extent. Both of us still do it in our minds whether reading articles here or in a major publication, right?

Besides, if I used the word 'there' when the possessive adjective 'their' was appropriate you would likely observe it and correct me.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Michigan IS NOT a hard place for coaches to succeed.

Rich's record at Michigan speaks for itself....worst in school history. His Big 10 conference record was a mere 6-18 at one of the storied programs in all of college football. That is not subjective...those are the facts. Take the time to look at the history of Michigan football and you will see why he got canned.

At Arizona, he was ordinary at best. His Pac 12 conference W-L record was only 24-30.

Bottom line is that Rich has not performed very well as a head coach at the P5 level, and that is one of the reasons that he is no longer in demand by P5 programs as a head coach.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

If I'm not mistaken, his 7-4 year at Michigan followed the season they were bitch slapped for five NCAA violations under his control. Bo Schembechler didn't have much trouble winning at Michigan for 20 years. With a record of 194-48-5 as their head coach he never had a losing record. He also provided WVU with a talented young assistant named Don Nehlen to be their head coach.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ass, who gives a sht in this discussion?

This debate has gone ashtray - as you all wasted most of our lives with this 48 or 96++ hour debate,
which we'll never get back.

But we are back to the same spot.

West Virginia is NOT interested in NCAA Probation - nor is WVU interested in being accused of Racist practices by coaches who are fleding to Michigan with their "hair plugs on fire", WHILE NOT WANTING TO PAY A CONTRACTUAL Buy Out to the tune of $4 million.

This cannot be ignored when a debate on WVU "greatness", is occurring.

60 wins + unnecessary DRAMA (unnecessary CAPS, to make a point) does Not Match (and never Will match)
a College Football HOF Coach
plus 149 WVU Wins.

Waste of time,
Waste of Space this crap.

WV can't help that the "Prodacal Coal Miners Son" is simply -- White Trash and now morfed into
a Spoiled Million Aire.

Sorry
but I ain't that Sorry.

Wvu fans aren't as Stupid as the examples credited Here.

Maybe I missed something along the convoluted trajectory of this thread. I thought this thread started with that shit stirring moron Vault Hunter trying to claim that RR's failure at Michigan and middling at best results at Arizona were something more. I don't recall him or anyone else saying that they wanted RR back or for him to be in the WVU HOF, although said moron OP may have been trying to imply that. I do recall a few claiming he was WVU's best coach ever which is not true. I also recall some implying RR was utter trash in all aspects and not a positive for WVU during his heyday which is also untrue. RR is a POS in his personal life and business professional life. RR had a nasty divorce with WVU that, while he had some legit grievances with the athletic department who were incompetent boobs themselves, was filled with unjustifiable scumbag behavior. Currently RR is 20 years removed from his big time head coaching debut and is no longer the innovator he once was. His track record over the last 7 or so years is not even average.

RR was also a very competent headcoach in running a football program and in his brief heyday from 2005-2007 was a damn good coach. That doesn't make him the best and it doesn't guarantee that had he stayed he would have continued to have similar success. However he was a good replacement for Nehlen and his 7 years were very positive for WVU which brought the program to the same heights of 1988 and 1993 under Nehlen. There are "flash in the pan" or "one hit wonders" in any profession as sustained, continuous high level success isn't easy lest anyone could do it. Perhaps that was the case with RR, but to deny he ever had a flash or hit at all during his head coaching career is just wrong.

 

[mofo]

Maybe I missed something along the convoluted trajectory of this thread. I thought this thread started with that shit stirring moron Vault Hunter trying to claim that RR's failure at Michigan and middling at best results at Arizona were something more. I don't recall him or anyone else saying that they wanted RR back or for him to be in the WVU HOF, although said moron OP may have been trying to imply that. I do recall a few claiming he was WVU's best coach ever which is not true. I also recall some implying RR was utter trash in all aspects and not a positive for WVU during his heyday which is also untrue. RR is a POS in his personal life and business professional life. RR had a nasty divorce with WVU that, while he had some legit grievances with the athletic department who were incompetent boobs themselves, was filled with unjustifiable scumbag behavior. Currently RR is 20 years removed from his big time head coaching debut and is no longer the innovator he once was. His track record over the last 7 or so years is not even average.

RR was also a very competent headcoach in running a football program and in his brief heyday from 2005-2007 was a damn good coach. That doesn't make him the best and it doesn't guarantee that had he stayed he would have continued to have similar success. However he was a good replacement for Nehlen and his 7 years were very positive for WVU which brought the program to the same heights of 1988 and 1993 under Nehlen. There are "flash in the pan" or "one hit wonders" in any profession as sustained, continuous high level success isn't easy lest anyone could do it. Perhaps that was the case with RR, but to deny he ever had a flash or hit at all during his head coaching career is just wrong.

"Flash in the pan" - RichRod.

..but nice summary.

 

[mofo]

Again, it was just a dig . I realized what you were doing there. I spent some time copy editing also but to a much lesser extent. Both of us still do it in our minds whether reading articles here or in a major publication, right?

Besides, if I used the word 'there' when the possessive adjective 'their' was appropriate you would likely observe it and correct me.

Yes sir...

I know that being "an Editor"
is easier then being "an Author".

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Yes sir...

I know that being "an Editor"
is easier then being "an Author".

One more and then I'll stop, OK? I've also noticed how much easier it is to copy edit someone else's writing than your own. Apparently we sometimes see what we meant to write instead of what is actually on the screen.

While my volume doesn't compare with yours and many others, I wrote quite a few sports articles for several entities including Bleacher Report a few years ago. My ultimate goal is to write an unauthorized autobiography!

Regarding Mr. Rodriguez and perhaps Mr. Holgorsen as well, I guess it would actually come down to would you rehire him if Coach Brown left? VaultHunter?

 

[mofo]

One more and then I'll stop, OK? I've also noticed how much easier it is to copy edit someone else's writing than your own. Apparently we sometimes see what we meant to write instead of what is actually on the screen.

While my volume doesn't compare with yours and many others, I wrote quite a few sports articles for several entities including Bleacher Report a few years ago. My ultimate goal is to write an unauthorized autobiography!

Regarding Mr. Rodriguez and perhaps Mr. Holgorsen as well, I guess it would actually come down to would you rehire him if Coach Brown left? VaultHunter?

RichRod
nor Holgerson will not be back, ever.

Answer No

There's more to being a Head Coach then Temper Tantrums.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ass, who gives a sht in this discussion?

This debate has gone ashtray - as you all wasted most of our lives with this 48 or 96++ hour debate,
which we'll never get back.

But we are back to the same spot.

West Virginia is NOT interested in NCAA Probation - nor is WVU interested in being accused of Racist practices by coaches who are fleding to Michigan with their "hair plugs on fire", WHILE NOT WANTING TO PAY A CONTRACTUAL Buy Out to the tune of $4 million.

This cannot be ignored when a debate on WVU "greatness", is occurring.

60 wins + unnecessary DRAMA (unnecessary CAPS, to make a point) does Not Match (and never Will match)
a College Football HOF Coach
plus 149 WVU Wins.

Waste of time,
Waste of Space this crap.

WV can't help that the "Prodacal Coal Miners Son" is simply -- White Trash and now morfed into
a Spoiled Million Aire.

Sorry
but I ain't that Sorry.

Wvu fans aren't as Stupid as the examples credited Here.

AGAIN, 149 WINS AND 93 LOSSES. LONGEVITY HAD AS MUCH TO DO WITH THAT AS DON, A COACH THAT I RESPECT GREATLY, BUT HE AVERAGED 7-4 PER SEASON. THAT IS NOT SPECTACULAR IN ANY BOOK. NO MATTER HOW OFTEN YOU THROW OUT 149. DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK HUGGINS IS OVER-RATED BECAUSE HE IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME? HUGGINS IS A FAR, FAR BETTER COACH THAN NEHLEN. SO WAS FRED SCHAUS, DOC SPEARS AND RICH RODRIGUEZ. BOBBY BOWDEN DIDN'T SHINE TILL HE WENT TO FLORIDA STATE. CARLEN WAS ONLY AT WVU FOR 2 YEARS. DID WELL, BUT 2 YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF OF GOOD OR BAD. EVERY TIME YOU SAY 149 WITHOUT SAYING 93 IT EXPOSES YOUR IRRATIONAL BIAS. I JUST GO WHERE THE NUMBERS TAKE ME. IT'S MORE INTELLIGENT.

 

[mofo]

AGAIN, 149 WINS AND 93 LOSSES. LONGEVITY HAD AS MUCH TO DO WITH THAT AS DON, A COACH THAT I RESPECT GREATLY, BUT HE AVERAGED 7-4 PER SEASON. THAT IS NOT SPECTACULAR IN ANY BOOK. NO MATTER HOW OFTEN YOU THROW OUT 149. DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK HUGGINS IS OVER-RATED BECAUSE HE IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME? HUGGINS IS A FAR, FAR BETTER COACH THAN NEHLEN. SO WAS FRED SCHAUS, DOC SPEARS AND RICH RODRIGUEZ. BOBBY BOWDEN DIDN'T SHINE TILL HE WENT TO FLORIDA STATE. CARLEN WAS ONLY AT WVU FOR 2 YEARS. DID WELL, BUT 2 YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF OF GOOD OR BAD. EVERY TIME YOU SAY 149 WITHOUT SAYING 93 IT EXPOSES YOUR IRRATIONAL BIAS. I JUST GO WHERE THE NUMBERS TAKE ME. IT'S MORE INTELLIGENT.

Sorry,
but you lose me
on all this Caps barrage.
Hate to give you writing advice,
but this all Caps is immature.

Like reading tOSU,
he or she lost me after all his
insults.

Flash in the Pan- RichRod
Longevity not PricRod's Strength.