Essentially 3 months of working days. Not that I begrudge teachers that, those are the schedule of their districts.
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Let me know when it gets to "Rich to Alabama" levels and I'll step back before I get burned.
But wait, they bring home work to do and have meetings and have to take phone calls at home at night when they get back.......
Whether or not they strike is of no concern to me, as I have no children in school. But it is not right that they get their regular pay to do it. Superintendents of each county are complicit in this scam by declaring schools closed each day teachers want to strike. Strikes by public employees are against the law.
They’re not on strike...they’re on a paid vacation. They wouldn’t last long if they were going without pay.
No, one of the kids in my class though, had to teach the teacher how to make tie-dyed shits. We made them in class. That kid was one hell of a teacher.
She was one mean old b**** - my mom had her in junior high school too - who spent her time with the two natural artists and told the rest of us to go in the back of the room and occupy ourselves with the Spyrograph...
Mon County school, 2nd floor, last room down the hall on the left. It was the class from hell. I'll never forget it, or her. 45 year tenured fixture of the school system. Right across the hall was the music class. All boys, who changed the lyrics to the songs as we were singing them, and the music teacher kept pounding the piano keys and never noticed. Most of us got in the school choir too. They were frickin clueless.
I'll never forget some of these same guys took a classmate and put his head in a vise in industrial arts class and tightened it down to get him to confess something about someone. The teacher had gone upstairs to the principal's office. He came back and caught them. Lined all six of them up with their hands on the shop tables and beat their asses with his paddle with holes drilled in it, that he had made in the shop. Beat their asses good while he made the rest of the class stand and watch. Mr. Pitcher did not take any shit from any kid.
Mr. Pitcher was a great teacher. He taught me how to tear down a lawn mower engine and rebuild it. Also, drafting that I still use in my career.
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Shouldn’t the question be, ‘Does an art teacher that abuses students deserve a raise?’....
Do you feel taxpayers should have a say in the process? Afterall, this money doesn’t come from mythical money tree out back. Strictly speaking to the point of what should the consumer expect to see with the 5% increase in salaries for teachers in services provided? Increase in.....fill the dots in for me, please.
For instance, does 5% equate to a 3 place increase in state educational rankings, say from 47th to 44th? An increase in state averages of standardized test scores of X% in STEM courses? An increase of X% student graduation rates?
I really want to support this, but what are the teachers committing to in the service they provide for their increase in salary and benefit? If they fail to meet those commitments are there SnapBack provisions?
Let’s get out of emotionalville here and talk tangible metrics which can be scored and measured. What will the teachers be willing to agree to for the money? Going back to work? Surely there is more to it than that. And if that’s the only tangible offering, doesn’t that then conclude you’re indeed out on strike? Illegally?
Lol this...."55 Strong" as long as they're getting paid every 2 weeks.
The Latest: Committee to mull West Virginia teacher pay hike
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-committee-mull-west-virginia-teacher-pay-hike-53503205
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-committee-mull-west-virginia-teacher-pay-hike-53503205
It wasn't supposed to be clever.
All I know is I wouldn't take a pay cut to teach the little shits nowadays either. And the "our students aren't being taught well enough" argument is pretty hilarious considering our teacher pay has always been dick. So what came first, exactly? You're being disingenuous if you're trying to argue they'd be paid more if they "taught better". Our state is always going to pay educators shit because that's what they value education.
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about them being butthurt over a net paycut. And it's absolutely hilarious to see the only thing people worried about is having to take vacation and sick days so they can babysit themselves, or whine about having to pay for babysitters. lmao nobody forced you to breed
Taxpayers lose in this game.
Teachers get a raise (from state citizens) and taxpayers children will still have the exact same quality teachers.
Nobody can dispute that fact,
Teachers get a raise (from state citizens) and taxpayers children will still have the exact same quality teachers.
Nobody can dispute that fact,
I’ve already entered the chicken/egg argument into this thread.
WV would need to jump about 30% in teachers salary to start with the chicken. ...ain’t gonna happen.
This is who we elected governor?
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice's coal companies should pay delinquent taxes owed to Kentucky schools, local governments | Lexington Herald Leader
http://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article202747524.html
The fix here is a system based on merit (that unions hate).
I want teachers to (or not) get what they deserve... ...not what they think they deserve.
I think most would agree but I understand that starts the evaluation debate and teachers would set the quality bar VERY low.
I want teachers to (or not) get what they deserve... ...not what they think they deserve.
I think most would agree but I understand that starts the evaluation debate and teachers would set the quality bar VERY low.
Oh....that makes for a quality argument.
He sucks and steals (by not paying taxes) so we should too.
Very logical approach.
Have you actually read the thread in its entirety? Quite a few other arguments out there that not a single teacher on this board has dared to respond to separate from what you just alleged.
Honest to god, I’d support a graduated performance based up to 20% bonus with a flat 10% across the board increase tomorrow if there was some logic and commitment from the teachers on this.
We all want more money. What can you show me you are doing or willing to commit to doing to earn it? It’s really pretty simple.
If the teachers receive this raise and increased benefits would they agree to sign an agreememt that they wont leave for X years to other states long as incremental increases are in place? What do those increases and demands need to be?
There needs to be clear demands in placs that can be met. What are those demands? How long will they satisfy the teachers?
In all negotiations both sides must be willing to both make concessions. What are the teachers willing to give in return other than the status quo?
There needs to be clear demands in placs that can be met. What are those demands? How long will they satisfy the teachers?
In all negotiations both sides must be willing to both make concessions. What are the teachers willing to give in return other than the status quo?
Seriously? That they stay? Hahahhaa if you’re using your continued employment as a negotiating tactic, you’re not in a negotiation, you’re in a resignation. Try, what have you earned through tangible results and performance and what are you committing to in the future as the approach. Works mobetta!
Good lord we have slid to low standards of performance as a society.
I never want to hold someone hostage. Raises are merit based and incentive driven. Everyone is replaceable in an organization. No one has that “secret sauce”. They’s all kinds of shrimps in these here waters.
Pretty sure the ‘you can’t leave’ clause isn’t contractually enforceable BUT contracts can contain bonuses that can be lost for leaving by given dates.
Agreed, but we both know teachers will never agree to merit based pay. They are even demanding no charter schools aka competition with this strike.
If we as a state give them this raise and increase in benefits there better some reciprocal benefits that are quantifiable.
Calm down LilDick
I won’t dispute that...but I’d love to understand the conditions.
They can quit and move on (I have little doubt) but what are consequences? Lost bonuses or what?
Probably similar to a relocation bonus in that if you leave before x amount of time you are responsible to return the prorated balance of the bonus.
Then let’s see how strong 55 really is.
Much longer and superintendents are gonna get shitcanned by the board for cause.
You’re probably correct.
I just don’t think a teacher contract has some kind of no compete clause or anything that binds them to serve the duration of an entire agreement. The contract simply states if you do this then you get this....without a strict obligation that a teacher will be allowed or must do anything.
My wife is a teacher and I know that their is a penalty that has to be paid if she does not finish the school year. I don't know how much the penalty is but it is at least a couple of thousand.
I think that is a good option. That is thinking outside the box and a way to keep quality educators within the state borders.
WV should ditch Common Core, at least the way WV uses it. There’s no real standard way that the goals are applied. Everyone is talking about teacher accountability. That’s fine. But there isn’t any student accountability for the Smarter Balance exams, or whatever they call it now. They can fail it and it has zero impact on the student, yet it effects how the teachers are evaluated. That’s BS too because the students have zero reason to try on the exam.
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