Yeah, increase taxes on the population to pay for a salary increase for a group that already makes more than the majority of those who will be hit with the increased taxes- all with no accountability and no track record of decent success rates.
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Yeah, increase taxes on the population to pay for a salary increase for a group that already makes more than the majority of those who will be hit with the increased taxes- all with no accountability and no track record of decent success rates.
What did a teacher do to you? You’re obviously vehemently against this. I get your stance. But to be this passionate you have to actually have a reason?
It's noted that you all think some "inconveniences" need forced upon the parents and kids. Shall I make the child care bills we've paid so far to one of you? No, any other takers? Nevermind, I wouldn't want to inconvenience you.
Love teachers, my sister, mother and wife teach.
It is absolutely disgusting to see adults use the words deserve, entitled to, need when they are making a wage that is higher than most in their state.
Sickening to see teachers state how they can go to MD or VA and make so much more. The whole envy and grass is greener argument.
I moved to WV from Maryland where I was born and raised. All because I love this state and wanted to raise my family here. Because I wanted to pay my taxes to WV rather than MD. Because I love this state. My income and expenses have been impacted by my decision to move here 11 years ago. My old company constantly let me know I did not receive sales leads like other reps because where I chose to move to.
Make clear demands with a path forward and with expectations that come with accountability. Then if you agree to the plan, do your damn part and improve our childrens futures and education with real, measurable results.
How does a 5 percent raise rather than 3 or 4 percent suddenly improve education in our state?
Seems to be the system is broken at its historical root system and needs to be fixed with accountability, and with opportunity if the teachers produce.
For having such abysmal educational records how can anyone demand anymore from a poor state with no real plan?
You realize teachers are volunteering for day cares right?
Expectation of improved performance with a contractual tiein isn’t good enough? It’s got to be something emotionally linked?
I don’t disagree with some of that at all. But putting it all under an umbrella isn’t fair at all and we both know that.
I covered education for three years before I did this. I’d like to say I have more than an “emotionally linked” outlook but sure.
We’re talking about you now? I was answering your question. I’ve yet to see someone in favor of this or on the teacher’s side provide any tangible reasoning behind how this will solve the problems in the state with the education system. We’re 11 pages in and closing on 12.
I love teachers, laid a couple down, my mom was one (didn’t lay her down and dont really like her), but I like results and a plan for improvement better.
What really concerns me is this pervasive attitude we are seeing with our teachers about how MD, VA and PA are some dream destination for them because of pay. How the grass is greener and those states are better.
That attitude obviously held in their concious and subconscious and that mindset can leak into their teaching and daily interaction with students. This state needs teachers to instill pride, hope and loyalty to WV in our kids. We need the mindset to change from WV being something you escape to something you love and dont leave.
That attitude obviously held in their concious and subconscious and that mindset can leak into their teaching and daily interaction with students. This state needs teachers to instill pride, hope and loyalty to WV in our kids. We need the mindset to change from WV being something you escape to something you love and dont leave.
Never said it was a cake walk. I bet you I could do it though with the proper training.
I thought you directly responded to me? Apologize. I worry about my children especially when I can depend on education being significantly better elsewhere. I’ve watched a lot of my wife’s colleagues leave the state and we’ve discussed things I never thought we would. My ultimate concern are my kids and I won’t settle. That’s fine if some will but I will not.
Keenan, I'm not sure why teachers can't concede the point that what they're doing is harming kids and parents There's empirical evidence that demonstrates this is true. Teachers screwed up pretty bad. Before the strike they would have had near 90% support if they just protested loudly and disrupted things at the capital. People would be behind them in droves. Now... not so much. They've lost a great deal of support. Even among several teachers I know. They went about it the wrong way and it will cost them.
The whole system needs scrapped. Private insurance. Small school districts. Lower admin overhead. Merit based pay starting at $50k and up to 100k for the very best teachers. Yes, there are ways to do merit based pay so it will be fair for the teachers.
Volunteering to help the issue they are causing...seems legit
I’m out there everyday. I can’t speak for what’s happening where you are but in Mon County it’s been overwhelming with parents bringing food, supporting and even standing in picket lines with the teachers. Once again I can’t speak for everyone but I’ve seen it here.
As much as Vern and pays you? Just hire some chinamen family to come over work for you.
I wonder how many WV teachers would move elsewhere to get higher pay...at the expense of higher taxes.
I think that is the reason I have a problem with the teachers argument. Demanding a pay increase for all teachers, even those who do not deserve it. Like I've said already in this thread, I want the good teachers to get a pay increase. They deserve every bit of it but just to shout for across the board pay raises at tax payers expense when the state is struggling really turns me off. When the government throws more money at something it rarely helps the cause.
You have to ignore him , he is obviously completely ignorant of the facts
And there it is. They feel so justified in what they're doing they think they bear no responsibility for the strike. That's why they don't care about any hardships the parents and kids are going through. It's not their fault so they don't care.
Mon county too. I can assure you that outside your bubble of like minded friends the sentiment is vastly different. I can't stress that enough.
I don’t live in WV but it seems to me the protests and strike are working
Okay I can’t ignore this one. I’ve watched my wife cry because she’s not there for her kids. I’ve also watched her round up food to make sure they have meals even on the work stoppage. Please don’t speak about something you obviously have no idea about. It’s insulting to us all.
As of right now it hasn't actually accomplished anything other than divide the state. They had a 4% raise before it started and they have one still, although they'll get it quicker now. It's also a complete coincidence that it's in an election year. Complete and total coincidence.
No doubt that the union had this one timed and ready to go.
Keenan, it's insulting to us when you dismiss the money we're paying for their strike out of hand. Just an inconvenience. Again, nobody is against teachers. I'd give them all a 20% raise. They don't make enough. They just don't. However, a strike to strong arm the taxpayers is odious to me and many others. The problem isn't the cause. It's the execution.
"Put the women and children to bed folks. Things are about to turn as nasty as a side-saddled horse in the Sahara Desert."
I’m in the same boat and regardless if my wife was a teacher I’d have the same stance. I want what’s best for our kids and at her school at least 16 qualified teachers have left for other states in the past several years. That’s utterly sad.
Of course you realize that the days missed will be made up. Spring break will be shorter/non existent. Summer vacation will be shorter. Child care your paying for now are days that you won't be paying for in June.This thing gets settled this week and there isn't going to be any substantial loss of instructional time if any at all.
Yes it is. It's a systemic issue with the state as a whole. I'll leave it at that. Best of luck to you and your family.
You get what you pay for. Thousand of people cross the state lines every day to work in Ohio, PA, MD, and Virginia, not just teachers. I expect people to do what they can to take care of themselves and their families. Its not like they wont pay more WV State income tax for the higher salary that they can get across the state line. Give me a freakin break. make more worth staying from an economic standpoint. Hell, just across the state line from Jefferson county is Loudoun Co, VA, one of the highest paying school districts in the country.
My sister has several teacher friends next to me in Clarke County, VA and scores of them have left Clarke to teach in Fairfax and Loudoun Co VA. Its the way it is. Localities with higher taxes and income will always pay more than those without the means.
Pay them more, yes.
Make the pay locality and merit based, yes.
Make the teachers accountable for results, yes.
Make charter and other accessible means of ed available, yes.
Give more resources to teachers, yes.
But to blindly throw some random monetary increase at a problem and have no assurance of attainment or results is irresponsible and foolish.
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I have zero problem with those who leave. Its the ones who stay that have this weak mentality. If you want to leave, do it. If you stay, either find joy in it or come up with a real plan for a solution that involves more income based on quantifiable results.
You too. And you know I never take anything personal at all but from somebody that everybody here can testify to (works all the time) but my wife works incredibly hard and cares about her kids in a way I can’t even explain. I hate it’s come to this and it’s tearing her apart but the misconceptions about all of this drives me insane. That woman works nonstop but I guess she’s one of the ones that goes above and beyond? I hope they all do that but if they don’t I apologize. I can speak for the one I know and when I’m up writing she’s right beside me.
See that’s where we differ. I want our best to remain here without having to justify it. We need to justify why we’ll keep them.
Loudoun is the wealthiest county in the US. They pay thousands more to all their service personnel than surrounding VA counties.
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