" We must all learn to live together as brothers and sisters....

[MountaineerWV]

Wow......"A lot" of what I quoted? How about ALL of what I quoted? Every damn word was from King himself. No Trump "misquote" claims.........

And sorry, but your claim of "economic freedom for all regardless of race" is great and was an idea, but that does not fit into his claim of "redistribution of wealth".........because if your claim is that is what he's meaning, then that's a dangerous slope that you have just created.......

He used Norway and Sweden as his examples......we know exactly what his views of redistribution of wealth was.........

 

[atlkvb]

You brought up government in your first posts in this thread, so evidently YOU thought it was relevant......you don't recall?



Notice how you claimed that he was not for "income redistribution"? Well, I shot that claim down pretty quickly, thus you switched your angle.......

His Daughter Bernice knew him better than you. She did not claim him or know him to be a Socialist. Quite the opposite because he was a believer and virtually all Socialists are not.

 

[atlkvb]

Wow......"A lot" of what I quoted? How about ALL of what I quoted? Every damn word was from King himself. No Trump "misquote" claims.........

And sorry, but your claim of "economic freedom for all regardless of race" is great and was an idea, but that does not fit into his claim of "redistribution of wealth".........because if your claim is that is what he's meaning, then that's a dangerous slope that you have just created.......

He used Norway and Sweden as his examples......we know exactly what his views of redistribution of wealth was.........

Popeer tried this same cannard a few weeks back claiming many European countries that are at best mixed economies as Socialist. Norway and Sweden are not nor have they ever been pure Socialist economies.

 

[atlkvb]

Wow......"A lot" of what I quoted? How about ALL of what I quoted? Every damn word was from King himself. No Trump "misquote" claims.........

And sorry, but your claim of "economic freedom for all regardless of race" is great and was an idea, but that does not fit into his claim of "redistribution of wealth".........because if your claim is that is what he's meaning, then that's a dangerous slope that you have just created.......

He used Norway and Sweden as his examples......we know exactly what his views of redistribution of wealth was.........

How do you distribute incomes?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Democratic-socialist.......redistribution of wealth......SJW........used big government (ex. Voting Rights Act)........that's not my opinion, not his family's opinion, or some historian's opinion......those are Dr. King's own great words.........FACT.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Dr. King is not a believer in socialism? Then why did he write:

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

 

[atlkvb]

There are no claims......there are only facts:

Correct. All rooted in morality from God's instructions to us on how to live. Not Government deciding who gets what income distributed. How does Government decide that anyway?

 

[atlkvb]

Dr. King is not a believer in socialism? Then why did he write:

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

Dr. King was more of which?

A Socialist who believed in the Supremacy of the State?

A believer who recognized the Authority of Christ over Man?

The answer to that question decides from where his calls of Social justice emanate.

So what is your answer?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Opinion:

His Daughter Bernice knew him better than you. She did not claim him or know him to be a Socialist.

Fact:

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

 

[atlkvb]

Democratic-socialist.......redistribution of wealth......SJW........used big government (ex. Voting Rights Act)........that's not my opinion, not his family's opinion, or some historian's opinion......those are Dr. King's own great words.........FACT.

How is wealth distributed since you are arguing this is what Dr.King advocated?

I agree he wanted equality. But not of outcomes...of opportunities

 

[Boomboom521]

Dr. King was more of which?

A Socialist who believed in the Supremacy of the State?

A believer who recognized the Authority of Christ over Man?

The answer to that question decides from where his calls of Social justice emanate.

So what is your answer?

 

[MountaineerWV]

King was a democratic-socialist......nothing wrong with that......he was still a great guy, trying to put his stamp on history which looks like it is trying to be rewritten and his own words discredited.

 

[atlkvb]

You brought up government in your first posts in this thread, so evidently YOU thought it was relevant......you don't recall?


Notice how you claimed that he was not for "income redistribution"? Well, I shot that claim down pretty quickly, thus you switched your angle.......

OK so explain how he wanted incomes distributed? Dr. King wanted Black folks to have the same earning opportunity and hiring chances as White folks. He fought against racial discrimination not for equal incomes that are distributed.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Abortion and gay marriage are the only positions the left has....and if you’re not hardcore conservative....you MUST MUST MUST believe in those two things

Well, we’re all racist, jackboot, fascists only concerned with money.

 

[atlkvb]

Nice answer.

 

[atlkvb]

Well, we’re all racist, jackboot, fascists only concerned with money.

I'll accept the money part. Dr. King wanted us getting paid too! But he also worshipped Christ abd thanked him for our chances and our Blessings. He was right about wasn't he?

 

[MountaineerWV]

More quotes from King:

One day we must ask the question, “Why are there forty million poor people in America?” ... When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy.
(Final speech to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 1967)

In a 1966 speech to his staff, King explained:

[W]e are saying that something is wrong ... with capitalism.... There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.

 

[Boomboom521]

How is wealth distributed since you are arguing this is what Dr.King advocated?

I agree he wanted equality. But not of outcomes...of opportunities

There are many different approaches to help redistribute the wealth of the nation. Forcing higher wages, forcing taxes on corporations and businesses to offset less taxes on individuals, changing the tax system to benefit those that earn less in their positions, forcing businesses and corporations that make their wealth through using state funded apparatuses (like roads for example) to pay more in taxes to support these apparatuses than men and women who use them without direct profit, funding government programs that help men and women rise in socioeconomic status, socialized medicine, socialized healthcare, socialized education, there are many many more.

I’m not saying o believe in all or even most, and I’m surely not saying that MLK would either. But having an open mind to solution, and not being a slave to some bs party loyalty is pretty much what MLK was trying to advocate in some of those quotes

 

[Boomboom521]

Well, we’re all racist, jackboot, fascists only concerned with money.

And at least some of you are honest about it.

 

[MountaineerWV]

In a speech to a retail union in 1962:

“I believe that we can work within the framework of our democracy to make for a better distribution of wealth.”

“For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society,” he said, through “a little change here and a little change there, but now I feel differently. You have to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.”

 

[Boomboom521]

Well, we’re all racist, jackboot, fascists only concerned with money.

I know you are an advocate of gay rights. Don’t know where you stand on abortion, but my point is that it’s just foolish to believe that someone’s views economically forces them to have the same social views.

When it’s someone on the left doing it, you bash the practice. When someone on the right does it, you defend it?

 

[MountaineerWV]

There are many different approaches to help redistribute the wealth of the nation. Forcing higher wages, forcing taxes on corporations and businesses to offset less taxes on individuals, changing the tax system to benefit those that earn less in their positions, forcing businesses and corporations that make their wealth through using state funded apparatuses (like roads for example) to pay more in taxes to support these apparatuses than men and women who use them without direct profit, funding government programs that help men and women rise in socioeconomic status, socialized medicine, socialized healthcare, socialized education, there are many many more.

I’m not saying o believe in all or even most, and I’m surely not saying that MLK would either. But having an open mind to solution, and not being a slave to some bs party loyalty is pretty much what MLK was trying to advocate in some of those quotes

It's pretty obvious that between King's earlier speeches in the 1950's compared to his speeches in the 1960's, he was frustrated at the lack of progress as he switched more to fighting poverty and seeing how the system does not favor the poor or working class.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I know you are an advocate of gay rights. Don’t know where you stand on abortion, but my point is that it’s just foolish to believe that someone’s views economically forces them to have the same social views.

When it’s someone on the left doing it, you bash the practice. When someone on the right does it, you defend it?

How can anyone deny King's quotes that he was indeed a Democratic-Socialist, just like the man these people all hate: Bernie Sanders.

 

[atlkvb]

Opinion:


Fact:

So why don't you answer post 48 since you are quoting Dr.King's calls for Social justice?

From where did he draw his moral authority for that dream? What was his moral call to America and where did it come from?

Socialist economic theory? This is what you understand Dr.King's Life's calling to be? World Socialism?

That's the promised land Almighty God allowed him to see before his Death? Argentina?

 

[atlkvb]

How can anyone deny King's quotes that he was indeed a Democratic-Socialist, just like the man these people all hate: Bernie Sanders.

Bernie Sanders believes in Almighty God just like Dr. King did right?

They share the same belief in Government's ultimate Supremacy over human affairs right?

 

[Boomboom521]

It's pretty obvious that between King's earlier speeches in the 1950's compared to his speeches in the 1960's, he was frustrated at the lack of progress as he switched more to fighting poverty and seeing how the system does not favor the poor or working class.

I agree. He was an advocate for change, he was intelligent, and he was open to listening - learning - and working with others in their ideas without blasting anyone different than him as a “horror”.

 

[Boomboom521]

Bernie Sanders believes in Almighty God just like Dr. King did right?

They share the same belief in Government's ultimate Supremacy over human affairs right?

Twisted twisted mind

 

[atlkvb]

You

How can anyone deny King's quotes that he was indeed a Democratic-Socialist, just like the man these people all hate: Bernie Sanders.

You guys are correctly pointing out Dr.King's righteous calls for Social justice. But we're challenging/debating where his authority to make that call came from?

I'm arguing it's from God...Christ. Where are you arguing it comes from?

 

[atlkvb]

Twisted twisted mind

Nice answer.

 

[atlkvb]

I agree. He was an advocate for change, he was intelligent, and he was open to listening - learning - and working with others in their ideas without blasting anyone different than him as a “horror”.

Know where he drew his inspiration for his letters from a Birmingham jail?

The Bible. He read Scripture and became convinced of his righteous cause. He read the same Bible MWV reads.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I'm not pointing out Dr. King's "righteous calls for social justice".........I'm calling out his switch to democratic-socialism, as he said in his letters and speeches.......and you still refuse to admit to this.........

 

[Brushy Bill]

those are Dr. King's own great words.........FACT.

 

[Boomboom521]

Know where he drew his inspiration for his letters from a Birmingham jail?

The Bible. He read Scripture and became convinced of his righteous cause. He read the same Bible MWV reads.

Did anyone ever once debate what MLK believed spirituality, or where his spiritual beliefs were sourced? Anyone? Even ONCE in this entire thread?

 

[atlkvb]

Twisted twisted mind

Boomer and MWV...was Dr.King's moral calls for economic and Social justice correct?

Yes right?

OK then, does he make those calls or even have the right to "impose" his morality onto American Society without some type of moral authority to do so?

If he was correct in his call for Social and economic Justice, and correct to ask for even demand it....didn't he need some type of authority to do so?

OK then, what was it?

 

[Boomboom521]

Know where he drew his inspiration for his letters from a Birmingham jail?

The Bible. He read Scripture and became convinced of his righteous cause. He read the same Bible MWV reads.

I’ve studied Letter from Birmingham extensively...and could quote most of it for you.....it’s one of my favorite works.

Are you saying that I can’t appreciate his views and ideas if I don’t subscribe to his religion?

 

[Boomboom521]

Boomer and MWV...was Dr.King's moral calls for economic and Social justice correct?

Yes right?

OK then, does he make those calls or even have the right to "impose" his morality onto American Society without some type of moral authority to do so?

If he was correct in his call for Social and economic Justice, and correct to ask for even demand it....didn't he need some type of authority to do so?

OK then, what was it?

THIS WAS THE DEBATE?

 

[atlkvb]

Did anyone ever once debate what MLK believed spirituality, or where his spiritual beliefs were sourced? Anyone? Even ONCE in this entire thread?

That's my whole argument over where his calls for Social justice came from! His Faith and belief it was God's desire for Social justice!

 

[Boomboom521]

Boomer and MWV...was Dr.King's moral calls for economic and Social justice correct?

Yes right?

OK then, does he make those calls or even have the right to "impose" his morality onto American Society without some type of moral authority to do so?

If he was correct in his call for Social and economic Justice, and correct to ask for even demand it....didn't he need some type of authority to do so?

OK then, what was it?

Twisted mind

 

[atlkvb]

THIS WAS THE DEBATE?

Yes! It is for me, I just can't get you Athiests to recognize why Dr. King even bothered to put up with all the crap he did.

 

[Boomboom521]

That's my whole argument over where his calls for Social justice came from!

Maybe once you realized that MLK had socialist economic views that were in direct contrast to what you thought he did, and was thuroughly corrected by MWV.