University of Florida set to fire their head coach
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If you're trying to compare this to the WVU situation then it's not the same at all.
I'm trying to show that there are few candidates (quality) out there and that Florida may be jumping in front to get one of them. Do you have an issue with my opinion about the state of WVU football?
Florida doesn't need to jump ahead. There are levels and tiers. West Virginia isn't moving on unless the big money boosters decide to front the money. The boosters at Florida are in the process of paying the 26 million dollar buyout of Billy Napier. His days are numbered and it's likely Florida already has it's next candidate lined up. My guess is Jedd Fisch.
Say Neal Brown is bought out. Do they have a guy in mind? Swinging big isn't in the playbook here. No Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Matt Rhule or Lane Kiffin. There isn't a former graduate that leaps off the page either.
Rhule was only a possibility after getting drummed out of Carolina. WVU should have taken a shot rather than extend Brown.
58 years old and washed up. He couldn't win at Tamu with all the resources at his disposal, not sure how he would win here with substantially less. His career has mostly been on a downward trajectory for years.
I'm neither on nor off the Jimbo train but the only question we should be asking is "Is this guy better than what we've got now?"
I don't know if he would be better or not. You never know what a coach is going to do until he's actually your coach. What I do know is Fisher failed at Tamu with great recruiting classes and boatloads of NIL cash. So there is nothing indicating he would be successful at WVU. I think if Baker makes a change, it will be because of games like the Pitt game and the Houston game last year. If he decides a change is necessary, he should hire who he thinks is the best for the job. I think the changes that have taken place in college football have not been good to the WVU's of the world.
Jimbo has a national championship and a winning record in the SEC. Anybody who thinks he's not better than Neil Brown is clueless about football. I'm not saying Fisher's the right guy for here and that he's not out of date or whatever. He's not even the dude I would Target but he's leaps and bounds better than Neil Brown lol. It's not even close.
His last 3 years before getting the boot and 76 million dollars 17-15 (10-13). Pretty much degraded a good Texas A&M team. Would be my last choice.
His title was last BCS era in 2013 before playoffs started. He got out at FSU when it began sliding. 5-6 (3-5)
Would be last on my list. Now if he chose to come and work for free due to already receiving 76 million from his buyout then he would get a serious look.
Fire Neal Brown, Jordan Lesley and Shadon Brown if a loss happens versus Kansas. Name Chad Scott as interim coach. Promote some coaches from assistant positions that watch game film. Begin searching for a new Head Coach.
Season is going to be crap anyway so take your time while interim coach tries to salvage something if anything.
I agree with Jimbo Fisher is not the answer to any program and I don't want him for the one I support.
I don't subscribe to the thought the season is going to be crap or is crap. We have lost two games, one hurt a lot more than the other. I will remain optimistic and am looking forward to this Saturday. I realize I am in the far minority on this message board and with my friends and some of my family with my perspective.
I don't subscribe to the thought the season is going to be crap or is crap. We have lost two games, one hurt a lot more than the other. I will remain optimistic and am looking forward to this Saturday. I realize I am in the far minority on this message board and with my friends and some of my family with my perspective.
The coaches that succeed here are people with Brown’s type of background, just because this time it hasn’t panned out shouldn’t mean we stop going to the well on younger coaches. I don’t mind going back to the Sun Belt/high level coordinator route instead of an expensive big name retread who lost their edge. The SEC drowns out the upstarts with all of the star power they have at HC and ability to buy the talent, but the Big XII will likely emerge as a HC proving ground where guys with a good message and solid culture will rise to the top of the conference.
Jimbo is a washout. No blue blood program wants this guy. The guy had all the resources in the world at Tamu and couldn't win. If he weren't from Clarksburg, WV, no one would even mention him on here.
And? He got a huge chunk of change to go home.....why would we want to go back into coaching?
All that being said Jimbo is still a lot better than brown. As I said he's not the person I would go after. But he is an upgrade and to think otherwise his pretty ridiculous. Neil Brown is not a P5 coach at all.
How do you know he would be? He has never been a coach at a school like WVU. Coaches at WVU have to do more with less. Jimbo failed at a school with one of the largest athletic budgets in the country. He coached in a talent-rich state. His boosters had Saban screaming two years ago when they stole quite a few of Alabama's prized recruits. Add that all together, and the guy fell flat on his face.
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Jimbo Fisher won a national championship. He had winning records in the toughest conference in college sports even at Texas a&m. Neil Brown has not accomplished anything even close. I mean this really shouldn't even be a discussion. Like I say I'm not trying to hire Fisher because I think the game has passed him by. But at least he's a has been. Neil is a never will be. That's a big difference
Fisher was 45-25 over 6 years in the #1 hardest conference in football. Neal is 32-29 in the 3rd hardest conference in football.
Fisher is a better coach than Brown, but he's not the guy WVU should go after.
Neal is 32-31 dumbass.
Won / loss means 1 thing. Being a good coach means another. Still waiting for you to show me where anyone said Neal was better Fisher.
Your Hero is 19-15 in his final 3 years with his recruits. OOC at Texas A&M record of 13-1 against G5 and FCS teams, 2-3 in P5 OOC. His lone loss to G5 was (6-6) Appalachian State. This is why he was fired. You don't get paid 76 million to lose OOC games. He might be good here and he might not. Wouldn't Fisher be going against the weaker schedule you claim Brown goes against in Big 12? He probably wouldn't be here long if he was successful. Maybe 2 to 3 years tops.
Once again nobody is claiming Brown is better than Fisher. The smart people know he would not come here.
Would you be happy if we pursued Kevin Sumlin? He is an assistant at Maryland. He was 51-26 at Texas Am in six seasons which was better than Jimbo's 45-25 in six seasons. If you say no, then the only difference I see is one guy is from Brewton Alabama the other is from Clarksburg WV.
I think both of those guys are better than what we have but I do believe we can do better than both of them. And not only that we deserve better than both of them. WVU deserves it. I would take a pass on Sumlin and Fisher though.
If WVU, is going to make a coaching change then they should try and get someone who might be a significant upgrade. Jimbo Fisher is not a significant upgrade if at all at this point in his career. Who cares if he won a national championship. That was 11 years ago ancient History. Ed Orgeron won a national championship at LSU and his a$$ was fired two years later. Gene Chizik won a national title in year two at Auburn and his a$$ was fired after year 4. All three of these guys proved one thing that they couldn't maintain that level of success. If they couldn't do it at the place where they were coaching, they sure and hell wouldn't do it at Wvu.
By using the criteria you mentioned above, no one could maintain those standards.
Again, WVU needs to ask 3 questions before they hire a coach:
1) Are they a proven recruiter
2) Have they won at previous spots
3) Most importantly, are they better than what we have now.
If a candidate meets those 3 requirements, and wants to come here, sign him up. If not, keep what you have until you find a candidate that does meet those 3 requirements.
Does Jimbo Fisher, Ed Orgeron, or Gene Chizik meet those qualities? Yes, Yes, and Yes.
If any of those three, or a whole host of others out there who also meet those requirements wants the job we'd be crazy not to give it to them. If one of those 3 is the ONLY one wanting the job, they are still better than what we have now.
If any of you disagree, then ask yourself this question - Could Neal Brown replicate what they did at the time they were at that school? If you answer seriously and take your ego out, you know the answer is no.
Neal Brown essentially got the same step up from Troy to WVU with regards to money, facilities, etc. that Jimbo did from Free Shoes to aTm and has done less, as the record shows. That's just Jimbo, who I'm ambivalent about, that's not even comparable to a whole host of others.
No need to fire him now, let the season play itself out. Best hope now is some sorry bowl nobody is even going to care about. But, phones need to be ringing, queries sent, and lists added to and subtracted from. Six years of the same old, same old is redundant. The new playoff system and a now weaker, less top-heavy conference creates opportunity. Jump on it while the iron is hot.
Again, WVU needs to ask 3 questions before they hire a coach:
1) Are they a proven recruiter
2) Have they won at previous spots
3) Most importantly, are they better than what we have now.
If a candidate meets those 3 requirements, and wants to come here, sign him up. If not, keep what you have until you find a candidate that does meet those 3 requirements.
Does Jimbo Fisher, Ed Orgeron, or Gene Chizik meet those qualities? Yes, Yes, and Yes.
If any of those three, or a whole host of others out there who also meet those requirements wants the job we'd be crazy not to give it to them. If one of those 3 is the ONLY one wanting the job, they are still better than what we have now.
If any of you disagree, then ask yourself this question - Could Neal Brown replicate what they did at the time they were at that school? If you answer seriously and take your ego out, you know the answer is no.
Neal Brown essentially got the same step up from Troy to WVU with regards to money, facilities, etc. that Jimbo did from Free Shoes to aTm and has done less, as the record shows. That's just Jimbo, who I'm ambivalent about, that's not even comparable to a whole host of others.
No need to fire him now, let the season play itself out. Best hope now is some sorry bowl nobody is even going to care about. But, phones need to be ringing, queries sent, and lists added to and subtracted from. Six years of the same old, same old is redundant. The new playoff system and a now weaker, less top-heavy conference creates opportunity. Jump on it while the iron is hot.
🤣 well they won't be kicking off 80 players and finding another 80.So you are saying that Colorado will be better next year?
Almost anyone is better than off as WVU has, but it doesn't mean he would be a good hire.
Couldn't win? First 4 years at aTm 9, 8, 9, 8 Wins. Then fired because he didn't place 1st in western SEC. Six 10W years at FSU with a natty.
Can't Win? Geeeezzzzzzz.
His career has been on a downward trajectory for years. Look at his last two seasons at Tamu. Year 5 and 6 are more reflective than his early years. No big name program wants Jimbo Fisher; the only reason you want him is because he is from West Virginia; don't pretend otherwise.
So. One down year ans a year where they fired him 3/4 thru season negates all of those 8, 9, 10, 11 W and a Natty? 1 + down year and you call that a trajectory? Hr had pro lens with the Administration. That was the bigger problem.
We can agree to disagree.
I don't think Neil Brown would have been able to muster four wins, ever, with the schedule Texas A&M had to play. It's not even close and we rank in the top 30 in the nil so that's not an excuse at all like some people think it is. The sooner the clown leaves the better off WVU will be. If they end up hiring Jimbo fisher, then at least we got an upgrade. Maybe we didn't get the best we can get but he's an upgrade to what we have. WVU football is more boring than it has been since the seventies maybe the 1870s lol. Please stop the shit show and bring back exciting football lol.
