Sometimes, the best coach is the coach you’ve got (valuable lesson for low information fans).

[Buckaineer]

TCU has had Patterson for 15 years and may be in prime recruiting area but TCU is not getting the elite athletics in Texas. Their recruiting classes are no better than wvu's according to rivals. Wvu has always had a presence in Florida and Florida athletes are superior to Texas athletes. Tcu is 3-1 against Wvu but Holgorson's incompetent play calling and clock management cost WVU in the 2012 and 2014 games in morgantown and that comes down to coaching

The density of your absurd thought process is amazing. Patterson had TCU rolling at a very high level- some would say better than where RR had gotten WVu with Pat White and Steve Slaton. They were enjoying multiple years of 10 win seasons and BCS bowls including a Rose Bowl victory prior to entering the BIg 12. They recruit Texas, have always played some of the teams in the conference and used to be in conference with several of the schools. Their donors essentially built them a new stadium far nicer than Mountaineer field when they joined the BIG 12. Their situation is nothing like WVUs. two of TCU wins were by a combined 2 points- yet you are running your mouth about how much better they are than WVU?

Florida athletes are superior to Texas athletes based on what? Your enebriated state when you post such garbage? You don't know anything about coaching football yet you bash on Holgorsen for incompetent play calling? You just aren't very bright or competent to make such derogatory statements. it's clear you don't e it's in the real world, just some make believe where you know more about football than WVUs coaching staff.

Actually we all know you aren't really a WVu fan, because if you were instead of endlessly bitching about Holgorsen, you would be cheering on the Mountaineers in their bowl game in a few days. You know the bowl game THIS season that could be a nice finishing touch to this season and going into next year? But instead you are bashing the coach of our program with this endless nonsense?

Vernon should ban all of you d#mb @ss trolls and malcontents because fans of WVU you are not clearly. You could care less WVUs season is still going and can end on a high note to help move the program forward. It's truly a shame Mountaineer fans have allowed the likes of you to destroy the boards and try to destroy our program as well.

 

[Buckaineer]

Where was Wvu when Nehlen came to town? In 1982 he went to Norman and laid down the law against Oklahoma. He ruined Boston College dream season, He ended the programs drought against Penn State and had to recruit head to head with Pitt and FYI Pitt was a national power at that time. If Nehlen had the resources holgorson had we could have competed for many more NC and i have no doubt that in his prime Wvu would have been wiping their ass with the majority of these Big 12 chumps

And Holgorsen won the Big East and had a historical BCS bowl win over heavily favored Clemson. he won at favored Texas year one. He beat top ten Baylor in 2014, and has had several other nice wins. Don Nehlen created the modern era of WVU- I'm not going to stoop to your level and bash a great Mountaineer. Holgorsen has also had his moments against a much more difficult schedule season after season.

 

[skygusty]

Good post. These all out DH supporters think that just because the ones criticizing him don't want him to succeed or even want him fired. That couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to succeed and actually like him and certain things he brings. But lets face it, his five years here and his situational play calling when compared to other programs proves that coaching is THE number one element to a successful program.

I get incensed when I see people dismiss what Nehlen did here and the foundation he laid. They quickly forget how for the most part when he had talent and an experienced team he finished the deal like 93 for example. This is more of a comparison to RR not being able to close out than DH but I'm just giving examples to coaching and what they do against teams when they're out manned and out gunned. Another example is when WVU played Miami in 83 when they won the nat'l title. That game was on 10 or 13-3 at the half finally losing 20-3. He also played them very tough in 91 & 92 down at the Orange Bowl. Those weren't blowouts. It's a bit different game today but still, coaching is what matters first and foremost.

If DH would just stop playing gambling and act like there are real consequences to his actions then he might be able to turn this thing around but we've not only lost too many games we shouldn't have but it's in the way we've lost them. No one with the status of our program and how far we've come since the pre-Nehlen days should score 63 points on us like happened this year. We've been embarrassed too many times in the five years he's been here.

People forget how prepared Nehlen's teams were and hung in there against tough teams and for the vast majority he beat the teams he was supposed to. He got blown out for sure at times but for 21 years, you really have to go back and look to see more than just the ones off the top of your head. Under DH, and even RR there's been so many blowouts there's no need to go past what's at the top of our heads because the $hit has been rolling down our faces. But even RR with a completely different offense turned it around in only his second year.

DH is recruiting pretty well it seems and putting players in the right positions but sometimes I'm not seeing the right players for the right situations, along with his play calling. The conference being tougher excuse only goes so far and when it becomes an excuse to rely on then we've got real troubles.

What we're dealing with is simply on the job training woes and all these excuses are not going to make that go away. He either gets it in gear for this bowl game and next season and becomes more cunning and learns to give what the defense takes instead of forcing things or he's gone. It's as simple as that.

Holgorsen did show signs he is beginning to understand how to work within what he's got. I refuse to accept that we cannot get into the top third of this conference with some consistency. I really don't care if the competition is tougher than it used to be or not. We are in the BIG12 now and that is where we have to improve. I hope Holgerson gets a lot better next year but he needs to find the eye of his hurricane and get his head screwed on straight and win a few of the close ones. We win against OSU or KSU this year and the dynamic of these conversations would have changed a lot. He got close, just didn't close the deal. Hoping for a bowl win and at least a top five (Big12) finish next year.

 

[Buckaineer]

KSU without Bill Snyder is nothing and they will be nothing when he leaves again. ISU is a horrific football program, I don't care what kind of facilities they have, they are a garbage program that is second fiddle in a sparsely populated state/area. Texas Tech is basically in Mexico and shares a recruiting territory with Texas, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. We have to be scared of these programs, seriously? Pathetic.

KSU has Snyder and have an excellent program. It's hard to replace a Snyder, but there's no reason they won't continue their success and great fan support. ISU challenged for BIG 12 north titles within the last decade when their were 12 teams. They've beaten some great teams and challenged others right down to the wire. Funny you fail to mention Holgorsen whipped them this year and has beaten them all but one season, yet bring up his record vs. TCU while ignoring two points are the difference in two of those.

Texas Tech is very similar to WVU in the BIG 12. They can go on the road and beat up an Arkansas, but have a difficult time winning against the BIG 12s best.

The point is those schools also recruit, also invest in facilities, have better fan support than WVU and all get good to great players. To pretend they are something less-- ignoring everything but the final score just reinforces your total lack of football knowledge. One wonders if you've ever watched any BIG 12 game.

 

[Papillion]

KSU has Snyder and have an excellent program. It's hard to replace a Snyder, but there's no reason they won't continue their success and great fan support. ISU challenged for BIG 12 north titles within the last decade when their were 12 teams. They've beaten some great teams and challenged others right down to the wire. Funny you fail to mention Holgorsen whipped them this year and has beaten them all but one season, yet bring up his record vs. TCU while ignoring two points are the difference in two of those.

Texas Tech is very similar to WVU in the BIG 12. They can go on the road and beat up an Arkansas, but have a difficult time winning against the BIG 12s best.

The point is those schools also recruit, also invest in facilities, have better fan support than WVU and all get good to great players. To pretend they are something less-- ignoring everything but the final score just reinforces your total lack of football knowledge. One wonders if you've ever watched any BIG 12 game.

How are they better fan support than WVU? Am I missing something but WVU's stadium holds 60,000 down from even 63,500. Many of those Big 12 programs are less than 60,000 and WVU gets a good showing for the most part. Maybe you're blinded by aesthetics or something but WVU's stadium and fan support are not as bad as you're making them out to be.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

And Holgorsen won the Big East and had a historical BCS bowl win over heavily favored Clemson. he won at favored Texas year one. He beat top ten Baylor in 2014, and has had several other nice wins. Don Nehlen created the modern era of WVU- I'm not going to stoop to your level and bash a great Mountaineer. Holgorsen has also had his moments against a much more difficult schedule season after season.

Clemson wasn't exactly heavily favored they where a 9-3 football team and where ranked 16th we where ranked 23rd beating Clemson didn't send shock waves through the college football world the way the wins over Oklahoma and Georgia Did. when we beat Texas in 2012 they where a 9-4 football team and last i checked 9-4 isn't exactly what a Texas fan calls success. The wins against Baylor and Okie state might be good but they also are negated by losses to Kansas and Iowa state.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

KSU has Snyder and have an excellent program. It's hard to replace a Snyder, but there's no reason they won't continue their success and great fan support. ISU challenged for BIG 12 north titles within the last decade when their were 12 teams. They've beaten some great teams and challenged others right down to the wire. Funny you fail to mention Holgorsen whipped them this year and has beaten them all but one season, yet bring up his record vs. TCU while ignoring two points are the difference in two of those.

Texas Tech is very similar to WVU in the BIG 12. They can go on the road and beat up an Arkansas, but have a difficult time winning against the BIG 12s best.

The point is those schools also recruit, also invest in facilities, have better fan support than WVU and all get good to great players. To pretend they are something less-- ignoring everything but the final score just reinforces your total lack of football knowledge. One wonders if you've ever watched any BIG 12 game.

Why don't you look at rivals recruiting classes and you will see that outside of Oklahoma and Texas no other team in the big 12 is consistently out recruiting Wvu since we have been members of the conference and WVU stadium size is on par with the majority of the conference

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

The density of your absurd thought process is amazing. Patterson had TCU rolling at a very high level- some would say better than where RR had gotten WVu with Pat White and Steve Slaton. They were enjoying multiple years of 10 win seasons and BCS bowls including a Rose Bowl victory prior to entering the BIg 12. They recruit Texas, have always played some of the teams in the conference and used to be in conference with several of the schools. Their donors essentially built them a new stadium far nicer than Mountaineer field when they joined the BIG 12. Their situation is nothing like WVUs. two of TCU wins were by a combined 2 points- yet you are running your mouth about how much better they are than WVU?

Florida athletes are superior to Texas athletes based on what? Your enebriated state when you post such garbage? You don't know anything about coaching football yet you bash on Holgorsen for incompetent play calling? You just aren't very bright or competent to make such derogatory statements. it's clear you don't e it's in the real world, just some make believe where you know more about football than WVUs coaching staff.

Actually we all know you aren't really a WVu fan, because if you were instead of endlessly bitching about Holgorsen, you would be cheering on the Mountaineers in their bowl game in a few days. You know the bowl game THIS season that could be a nice finishing touch to this season and going into next year? But instead you are bashing the coach of our program with this endless nonsense?

Vernon should ban all of you d#mb @ss trolls and malcontents because fans of WVU you are not clearly. You could care less WVUs season is still going and can end on a high note to help move the program forward. It's truly a shame Mountaineer fans have allowed the likes of you to destroy the boards and try to destroy our program as well.

Your the one who sounds stupid your are so naive and haven't got a clue. Wvu's 2005 and 2007 team would have beaten TCU by 30 points easily. There win against Wisconsin was nice but I will take a win against Oklahoma and Georgia any day over that and wvu entered the Big 12 with an orange bowl win which you claim is great so that argument is a wash. Tcu stadium is a dump it only seats 47K and all they did was upgrade it. If you ask a Texas fan or Am fan about TCU stadium they would call it a low grade practice facility. Where are all TCU top ten recruiting classes? In regards to Florida vs Texas athletics The state of Florida has the most current active NFL players. St Thomas Aquinas and Miami Norland or 1 and 3 respectively for current NFL players a high school in Cleveland is 2nd. If you look Texas has more people than Florida but the Florida athlete is superior

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/which-state-city-and-high-school-has-the-most-current-nfl-players

 

[dolemitebmf]

Good post. These all out DH supporters think that just because the ones criticizing him don't want him to succeed or even want him fired. That couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to succeed and actually like him and certain things he brings. But lets face it, his five years here and his situational play calling when compared to other programs proves that coaching is THE number one element to a successful program.

I get incensed when I see people dismiss what Nehlen did here and the foundation he laid. They quickly forget how for the most part when he had talent and an experienced team he finished the deal like 93 for example. This is more of a comparison to RR not being able to close out than DH but I'm just giving examples to coaching and what they do against teams when they're out manned and out gunned. Another example is when WVU played Miami in 83 when they won the nat'l title. That game was on 10 or 13-3 at the half finally losing 20-3. He also played them very tough in 91 & 92 down at the Orange Bowl. Those weren't blowouts. It's a bit different game today but still, coaching is what matters first and foremost.

If DH would just stop playing gambling and act like there are real consequences to his actions then he might be able to turn this thing around but we've not only lost too many games we shouldn't have but it's in the way we've lost them. No one with the status of our program and how far we've come since the pre-Nehlen days should score 63 points on us like happened this year. We've been embarrassed too many times in the five years he's been here.

People forget how prepared Nehlen's teams were and hung in there against tough teams and for the vast majority he beat the teams he was supposed to. He got blown out for sure at times but for 21 years, you really have to go back and look to see more than just the ones off the top of your head. Under DH, and even RR there's been so many blowouts there's no need to go past what's at the top of our heads because the $hit has been rolling down our faces. But even RR with a completely different offense turned it around in only his second year.

DH is recruiting pretty well it seems and putting players in the right positions but sometimes I'm not seeing the right players for the right situations, along with his play calling. The conference being tougher excuse only goes so far and when it becomes an excuse to rely on then we've got real troubles.

What we're dealing with is simply on the job training woes and all these excuses are not going to make that go away. He either gets it in gear for this bowl game and next season and becomes more cunning and learns to give what the defense takes instead of forcing things or he's gone. It's as simple as that.

Amen, Papillion!

 

[xWVU2010x]

KSU has Snyder and have an excellent program. It's hard to replace a Snyder, but there's no reason they won't continue their success and great fan support. ISU challenged for BIG 12 north titles within the last decade when their were 12 teams. They've beaten some great teams and challenged others right down to the wire. Funny you fail to mention Holgorsen whipped them this year and has beaten them all but one season, yet bring up his record vs. TCU while ignoring two points are the difference in two of those.

Texas Tech is very similar to WVU in the BIG 12. They can go on the road and beat up an Arkansas, but have a difficult time winning against the BIG 12s best.

The point is those schools also recruit, also invest in facilities, have better fan support than WVU and all get good to great players. To pretend they are something less-- ignoring everything but the final score just reinforces your total lack of football knowledge. One wonders if you've ever watched any BIG 12 game.

Snyder left and the program immediately flatlined. It was flatlining before Snyder arrived as well. They do not have any type of special fan support that 80% of other P5 schools including ourselves do not also enjoy. ISU challenged for Big XII north titles? Are you f'n serious? In a 6 team division that consisted of KU, KSU (without Snyder for a good chunk), Mizzou, Nebraska, and Colorado, Im pretty sure everyone "challenged" at some point. That lineup is very Big East-like, we would have won that division atleast 5 times in the 2000s. Texas Tech has never accomplished anything of significance in their history, their top team in school history stalled down the stretch and couldnt even top Ole Miss in a bowl game. They are so buried in the shadow of their local competition that if we cant even aspire to be better than them then we might as well fold the program. If you think we should be thankful to be on a tier with these 3 schools then I have no idea why you would even support this program.