Why don't you LIQs dig up some 3rd party articles that support your position? I will read it and try to explain it to you, promise.
Sometimes, the best coach is the coach you’ve got (valuable lesson for low information fans).
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Funny, you endorsing my post while at the same time expecting other people to provide links.
Links are not needed to debate obvious BS. ....and most people won't take the time to provide them in situations like this one.
Maybe a better example than Stoops would be Kirk Ferentz at Iowa. Last year went 7-6 and many Iowa fans were calling for him to be fired. Fast forward to this year, 12-0 regular season , in the Rosé Bowl, and Eddie Robinson National coach of the year. OP makes a good point.
You make a good point...the OP not so much.
...and even your point ignores all the shitty coaches that have been fired that never did anything ever in the future (or the ones that kept their jobs that continued to suck).
Gord head and fire Holgs. Pay the next coach a zillion. You won't like your next coach either. Some folks are tired of the same ole same ole 'get us a new coach' talk. WV needs the coach they have. Get behind him and the team. We have a bowl to play. Now, let's bring on the Mountaineers! South Kakalacka got a new coach. Ain't he a nice one?
LOL at the OP and Punish-eer avoiding this post and the 100's of other examples just like it like the plague.
Solich was fired because of a dui he received during his last season. He pled no contest.
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Sometimes, the best coach is the one you’ve already got.
Take Oklahoma.
The Sooners wisely stuck with Bob Stoops, even when many in this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world questioned whether he was the guy to lead them back to the promised land.
Well, look where the Sooners are now.
Two victories away from a national championship.
It’s a lesson other schools would do well to heed.
Hey, Nebraska, any regrets about firing Frank Solich? Hey, Tennessee, think y’all were a little too eager to dump Phillip Fulmer?
And, in the latest example of expectations run amok, Georgia handed Mark Richt a pink slip after he won nearly 75 percent of his games over a 15-year career.
Oklahoma is having no regrets about sticking with the coach who led them to a national title in 2000 and eight conference titles since then, even when he had the occasional stumble such as last year’s 8-5 season that ended with a blowout loss to Clemson in the Russell Athletic Bowl.
Though Stoops, for all his success, certainly knew nothing was guaranteed.
In many ways, this was a crucial season for him.
He came through.
Big time.
“In a coach’s life, you’re pushing from one year to the next,” Stoops said. “You never look too far down the road.”
That’s fine for a coach.
But school administrators should spend most of their time focusing on the long-term direction of a program, not the fanatical whims of those especially noisy boosters who always think there’s someone else who can do a better job.
Expectations are one thing.
Reality is another.
When Tom Osborne retired at Nebraska, the Cornhusker faithful assumed the school would just go on winning national championships every year under Solich, apparently forgetting that it took Osborne 21 years to finish No. 1.
Even though Solich went 58-19 over six years, including one Big 12 title and an admittedly fluky appearance in a national championship game, he was fired after the 2003 season. There were some flaws in his record, to be sure, including a 1-9 road mark against ranked teams and that single title, which fell far short of the standard Osborne set — 13 conference championships in a 25-year career.
But look what’s happened since then.
Nebraska hasn’t come close to matching its success under Solich, much less Osborne. The Cornhuskers have lost at least four games each of the last 12 years, including a 5-7 mark this season under Mike Riley, the third coach given the task of restoring Big Red to its former glory. Bill Callahan and Bo Pelini already washed out.
Tennessee had similar visions of grandeur when it sent Fulmer packing after the 2008 season. Vols’ administrators decided that two losing seasons in four years overshadowed all the good work he had done — a 152-52 record in 17 years, including a national title, two Southeastern Conference championships and six SEC East crowns.
The Volunteers are still trying to recover from that foolhardy decision. They’re on their third coach since Fulmer, having posted a record of 43-44 in the past seven seasons under Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and now, Butch Jones.
Only this season, finishing with an 8-4 record (its best since the Fulmer era) and earning a spot in the Outback Bowl, did Tennessee finally show signs of returning to its former glory.
For the most part, this one-time powerhouse has been a laughingstock.
Which brings us back to Stoops.
There was plenty of grumbling after that mediocre 2014 season, and it only intensified when the Sooners lost to rival Texas early this year.
They haven’t lost since, earning a spot in the College Football Playoff and a rematch against top-ranked Clemson in the Orange Bowl on New Year’s Eve.
“Sometimes success is your greatest enemy, and the success that he had and has had over a continued period of time there, you know, the expectations are incredibly high at Oklahoma,” said Todd Blackledge, an analyst for ESPN. “I don’t think they’ve fallen off or been that far away over the last few years, but this has to be a sweet season for him.”
Though not without some tough, painful decisions.
This past offseason, he fired offensive coordinator Josh Heupel, who was the quarterback on his national championship team. It was the first time Stoops had ever dismissed one of his coordinators, but it was the right move. The Sooners, led by new coordinator Lincoln Riley and first-year quarterback Baker Mayfield, rank third in the nation at 45.8 points per game.
“The world is constantly changing in everybody’s professions,” Stoops said. But, he quickly added, “The principles and the big parts of it, I don’t think have changed. Relationships with young guys and young players still matter and are still the same. Young people are still the same. The game constantly evolves. As much as things change, there’s still a lot that still operates the same way.”
Change is inevitable.
But sometimes, it’s best to stick with the coach you’ve got
come on.....stoops won the national title in his second year......he has had notable success.....you aren't comparing holgs to him, are you?.....in some cases, it's true that some schools profited by holding on to a coach, frank beamer, for example, but in far more cases, the fans' perspective on a coach is correct......holgs is on the precipice on getting launched if he doesn't turn in a banner season next year.....stoops has never been even close to that, despite the grumblings of some oklahoma fans sometimes......
i have been on an oklahoma fan podcast three times as a guest and i once asked the hosts if stoops was in trouble there and they pretty much scoffed at the notion.....you will not find even the most supportive wvu talk host or podcast operator who would scoff at the prospect of holgs' not making it past next year.....you make a point in your original theory in general, but it becomes invalid at the point you bring up stoops and then trot in holgs' in an apparent attempt at apologism for his .417 win percentage since mid-2012 and 15-21 record in the big 12 overall......
since you are using stoops as a reference point.....let me suggest that if stoops would have had holgs' record after his first five years, he would have been gone.....probably so after his fourth year.....he likely never would have gotten to five.....but if he did make it to his fifth year, a 7-5 regular season and another 4-5 big 12 season would not have saved him, despite how empathetic you seem to believe Oklahoma's sports administration and fans are......
http://www.recorder.com/home/20224003-95/sometimes-the-best-coach-is-the-coach-youve-got
Sometimes, the best coach is the one you’ve already got.
Take Oklahoma.
The Sooners wisely stuck with Bob Stoops, even when many in this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world questioned whether he was the guy to lead them back to the promised land.
Well, look where the Sooners are now.
Two victories away from a national championship.
It’s a lesson other schools would do well to heed.
Hey, Nebraska, any regrets about firing Frank Solich? Hey, Tennessee, think y’all were a little too eager to dump Phillip Fulmer?
And, in the latest example of expectations run amok, Georgia handed Mark Richt a pink slip after he won nearly 75 percent of his games over a 15-year career.
Oklahoma is having no regrets about sticking with the coach who led them to a national title in 2000 and eight conference titles since then, even when he had the occasional stumble such as last year’s 8-5 season that ended with a blowout loss to Clemson in the Russell Athletic Bowl.
Though Stoops, for all his success, certainly knew nothing was guaranteed.
In many ways, this was a crucial season for him.
He came through.
Big time.
“In a coach’s life, you’re pushing from one year to the next,” Stoops said. “You never look too far down the road.”
That’s fine for a coach.
But school administrators should spend most of their time focusing on the long-term direction of a program, not the fanatical whims of those especially noisy boosters who always think there’s someone else who can do a better job.
Expectations are one thing.
Reality is another.
When Tom Osborne retired at Nebraska, the Cornhusker faithful assumed the school would just go on winning national championships every year under Solich, apparently forgetting that it took Osborne 21 years to finish No. 1.
Even though Solich went 58-19 over six years, including one Big 12 title and an admittedly fluky appearance in a national championship game, he was fired after the 2003 season. There were some flaws in his record, to be sure, including a 1-9 road mark against ranked teams and that single title, which fell far short of the standard Osborne set — 13 conference championships in a 25-year career.
But look what’s happened since then.
Nebraska hasn’t come close to matching its success under Solich, much less Osborne. The Cornhuskers have lost at least four games each of the last 12 years, including a 5-7 mark this season under Mike Riley, the third coach given the task of restoring Big Red to its former glory. Bill Callahan and Bo Pelini already washed out.
Tennessee had similar visions of grandeur when it sent Fulmer packing after the 2008 season. Vols’ administrators decided that two losing seasons in four years overshadowed all the good work he had done — a 152-52 record in 17 years, including a national title, two Southeastern Conference championships and six SEC East crowns.
The Volunteers are still trying to recover from that foolhardy decision. They’re on their third coach since Fulmer, having posted a record of 43-44 in the past seven seasons under Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and now, Butch Jones.
Only this season, finishing with an 8-4 record (its best since the Fulmer era) and earning a spot in the Outback Bowl, did Tennessee finally show signs of returning to its former glory.
For the most part, this one-time powerhouse has been a laughingstock.
Which brings us back to Stoops.
There was plenty of grumbling after that mediocre 2014 season, and it only intensified when the Sooners lost to rival Texas early this year.
They haven’t lost since, earning a spot in the College Football Playoff and a rematch against top-ranked Clemson in the Orange Bowl on New Year’s Eve.
“Sometimes success is your greatest enemy, and the success that he had and has had over a continued period of time there, you know, the expectations are incredibly high at Oklahoma,” said Todd Blackledge, an analyst for ESPN. “I don’t think they’ve fallen off or been that far away over the last few years, but this has to be a sweet season for him.”
Though not without some tough, painful decisions.
This past offseason, he fired offensive coordinator Josh Heupel, who was the quarterback on his national championship team. It was the first time Stoops had ever dismissed one of his coordinators, but it was the right move. The Sooners, led by new coordinator Lincoln Riley and first-year quarterback Baker Mayfield, rank third in the nation at 45.8 points per game.
“The world is constantly changing in everybody’s professions,” Stoops said. But, he quickly added, “The principles and the big parts of it, I don’t think have changed. Relationships with young guys and young players still matter and are still the same. Young people are still the same. The game constantly evolves. As much as things change, there’s still a lot that still operates the same way.”
Change is inevitable.
But sometimes, it’s best to stick with the coach you’ve got
http://www.recorder.com/home/20224003-95/sometimes-the-best-coach-is-the-coach-youve-got
Sometimes, the best coach is the one you’ve already got.
Take Oklahoma.
The Sooners wisely stuck with Bob Stoops, even when many in this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world questioned whether he was the guy to lead them back to the promised land.
Well, look where the Sooners are now.
Two victories away from a national championship.
It’s a lesson other schools would do well to heed.
Hey, Nebraska, any regrets about firing Frank Solich? Hey, Tennessee, think y’all were a little too eager to dump Phillip Fulmer?
And, in the latest example of expectations run amok, Georgia handed Mark Richt a pink slip after he won nearly 75 percent of his games over a 15-year career.
Oklahoma is having no regrets about sticking with the coach who led them to a national title in 2000 and eight conference titles since then, even when he had the occasional stumble such as last year’s 8-5 season that ended with a blowout loss to Clemson in the Russell Athletic Bowl.
Though Stoops, for all his success, certainly knew nothing was guaranteed.
In many ways, this was a crucial season for him.
He came through.
Big time.
“In a coach’s life, you’re pushing from one year to the next,” Stoops said. “You never look too far down the road.”
That’s fine for a coach.
But school administrators should spend most of their time focusing on the long-term direction of a program, not the fanatical whims of those especially noisy boosters who always think there’s someone else who can do a better job.
Expectations are one thing.
Reality is another.
When Tom Osborne retired at Nebraska, the Cornhusker faithful assumed the school would just go on winning national championships every year under Solich, apparently forgetting that it took Osborne 21 years to finish No. 1.
Even though Solich went 58-19 over six years, including one Big 12 title and an admittedly fluky appearance in a national championship game, he was fired after the 2003 season. There were some flaws in his record, to be sure, including a 1-9 road mark against ranked teams and that single title, which fell far short of the standard Osborne set — 13 conference championships in a 25-year career.
But look what’s happened since then.
Nebraska hasn’t come close to matching its success under Solich, much less Osborne. The Cornhuskers have lost at least four games each of the last 12 years, including a 5-7 mark this season under Mike Riley, the third coach given the task of restoring Big Red to its former glory. Bill Callahan and Bo Pelini already washed out.
Tennessee had similar visions of grandeur when it sent Fulmer packing after the 2008 season. Vols’ administrators decided that two losing seasons in four years overshadowed all the good work he had done — a 152-52 record in 17 years, including a national title, two Southeastern Conference championships and six SEC East crowns.
The Volunteers are still trying to recover from that foolhardy decision. They’re on their third coach since Fulmer, having posted a record of 43-44 in the past seven seasons under Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and now, Butch Jones.
Only this season, finishing with an 8-4 record (its best since the Fulmer era) and earning a spot in the Outback Bowl, did Tennessee finally show signs of returning to its former glory.
For the most part, this one-time powerhouse has been a laughingstock.
Which brings us back to Stoops.
There was plenty of grumbling after that mediocre 2014 season, and it only intensified when the Sooners lost to rival Texas early this year.
They haven’t lost since, earning a spot in the College Football Playoff and a rematch against top-ranked Clemson in the Orange Bowl on New Year’s Eve.
“Sometimes success is your greatest enemy, and the success that he had and has had over a continued period of time there, you know, the expectations are incredibly high at Oklahoma,” said Todd Blackledge, an analyst for ESPN. “I don’t think they’ve fallen off or been that far away over the last few years, but this has to be a sweet season for him.”
Though not without some tough, painful decisions.
This past offseason, he fired offensive coordinator Josh Heupel, who was the quarterback on his national championship team. It was the first time Stoops had ever dismissed one of his coordinators, but it was the right move. The Sooners, led by new coordinator Lincoln Riley and first-year quarterback Baker Mayfield, rank third in the nation at 45.8 points per game.
“The world is constantly changing in everybody’s professions,” Stoops said. But, he quickly added, “The principles and the big parts of it, I don’t think have changed. Relationships with young guys and young players still matter and are still the same. Young people are still the same. The game constantly evolves. As much as things change, there’s still a lot that still operates the same way.”
Change is inevitable.
But sometimes, it’s best to stick with the coach you’ve got
http://www.recorder.com/home/20224003-95/sometimes-the-best-coach-is-the-coach-youve-got
The comparison wasn't between Stoops & Holgorsen. The implied comparison in the article was between the low information Oklahoma fans and the low information WVU fans.
If anyone thinks that WVU's football program after only a few short years in a power conference is anywhere near a storied football program such as Oklahoma, they aren't being realistic. WVU just got a decent practice field this year and if that doesn't put things in perspective - nothing will.
How much credibility remains in those who have been saying that Holgorsen won't be WVU's head coach "next year" since 2012?
If anyone thinks that WVU's football program after only a few short years in a power conference is anywhere near a storied football program such as Oklahoma, they aren't being realistic. WVU just got a decent practice field this year and if that doesn't put things in perspective - nothing will.
How much credibility remains in those who have been saying that Holgorsen won't be WVU's head coach "next year" since 2012?
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well Gary patterson doesn't have the resources at TCU that Stoops has at Oklahoma but he competes for big 12 titles. TCU recruiting classes have been the same as WVU since we have become members of the Big 12 but he is able to compete for the big 12 title because of his coaching ability. If TCU had holgorson as there coach the results would be 7-5
There are probably 45-60 programs out there that could easily hire Holgorsen away if he ever becomes a hot commodity. There would be nothing we could do about it. It wouldn't matter what the fans knew, thought, or hoped if a job in a nice city, with great climate, rich tradition and a lot of money came calling. That is where we are, a decent program with decent tradition that would be a great stepping stone for a coach on the way up. If Holgorsen succeeds he is likely gone. If he fails he is gone. If he muddles around in the middle of the Big12 pack maybe he sticks around for a long time. What do you think the goal of the administration is? 7 wins a year? 6? 8? Top 3 finish in the conference every 4-5 years? A conference Championship? What is the metric? Big money donors and the athletic administration have the only metric that matters. Fans and their "information" will have little to do with it. It doesn't matter if the Big12 is harder to win in - it is meeting the expectations of few key people that matter.
I hate and resent being a low information fan. Booooo on high information fans! Boo on cigarettes as well.
So just so everyone is clear. Dana is the only coach in the entire football world who can turn WVU into a Big12 championship caliber program? There is absolutely nobody else who can do it right? The biggest difference is if Oklahoma fired Stoops there would be plenty of top coaches who would take the job. Nobody knows if it would have been bad or good because it didn't happen so its worthless even discussing. The thing I get most from the Holgorsen can do no wrong crowd seems to be of the mindset WVU can do no better. If WVU was an AAC program you might be right but that's not the case. WVU is a Big12 program with a solid football tradition and foundation for the future. It would get better coaching candidates now than it ever would have before. Can Dana turn this program into a consistent winner in the Big12? Maybe and I hope he does but so far he has been mediocre in the Big12. I hope he gets the job done but to act like he is the absolute only coach who can is actually acting more like a low information fan than any fan wanting WVU to replace Dana. And to use Oklahoma and Bob Stoops as a comparison is laughable.
The comparison wasn't between Stoops & Holgorsen. The implied comparison was between the low information Oklahoma fans and the low information WVU fans.
Low information my a$$. You're so idiotic you don't even know what you were comparing, which was grumbling fans wanting coaches fired who are successful but don't meet "their" expectations. You were comparing successful coaches (namely Stoops) with DH who has only been here five years and has not improved one iota in situational play calling. That is a fact. And this year was particularly bad which was accentuated by the four game losing streak.
And as long as you and others continue to ignore the way we lost while trying to paint fans as complaining that WVU just didn't win against great competition, you're not going to be taken seriously.
So keep up with the robotic mantras and foolishness because you're only bringing this free board down. It's turned into a complete joke because of people like you, regardless of the game you are playing.
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I wouldn't say there are 45-60 teams that could hire Holgorson away from wvu if he where to become a hot commodity. The teams at the top of the power 5 are about it maybe 10 - 15 at the most
Yea...that claim was a laugher. ...but I'd still push the number down to about 25. That would include teams he felt some loyalty toward.
Who are you, WBGV using a different name? It seems neither one of you understand what an accurate comparison even is. Now you've just changed the argument from successful coaches who feel heat and fired where the school went downhill to comparing playing fields. WBGV wasn't doing that but you just did. Who is arguing that WVU is on the playing field with OU? OU is a blue blood WVU is not, We all recognize that.
TCU has had Patterson long term, and they have had access to a top recruiting area and state because they exist there.
WVU split with TCU first four years and lost games they lost by points. A bounce of the ball.
Some don't want to see reality.
Dana Holgorsen has had to deal with a ton of b.s. and numerous changes over the last several years. Considering the situation, it's unlikely anyone but an Urban Meyer, Nick Saban level coach would be able to accomplish much more and that is because recruits flock to their name. The main point though as WVUs AD has stated , is that consistency is what this program needs, not constant change based on ?
There isn't a quick fix solution for WVU to become a top recruiting school, or a power conference champion in this elite conference. It has to be built from the ground up from when Holgorsen took over and the building is still in progress.
I agree with your assessment of the situation but I don't think DH is a good enough coach to take WVU to the next level or the one for which he was hired; Luck stating he wanted a program to compete for a NC. If 7-5 and 8-4 is "good enough" then we've got our man.
No one said 7-5 or 8-4 is "good enough". What has been stated and ignored is that doing better than that isn't just going to happen. A couple of ball bounces and two or three seasons WVU would have been at 9 wins. Getting 9, 10 or more wont happen just because someone wants it to, the facilities, recruiting, everything must be improved to compete at the level desired. WVU doesn't have either the prestige or resources to get there overnight and Coach Holgorsen started with not very much going into an elite conference where only maybe Kansas has a football facility, fanbase or recruiting disadvantage to WVU
If Geno, Tavon, and Stedman are "not much", then what do we have now?
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The Dana apologists know no bounds. The man is not a good football coach. His record clearly shows the work of a below average head man. Sure, I guess he could conceivably pull his head out of his ass, finally recruit a QB that can make his offense resemble what he had as an OC, and switch up his painfully obvious playcalling, but I don't think its wise to anticipate that to happen. Hes a lame duck who is here for one last season because of buyout issues.
More woe is me BS. Are we really looking at programs like ISU, K State, and Texas Tech like we should not be consistently better than them? I cant believe how defeatist some of our fans are, we have been a consistently solid program for decades, we are currently underachieving, why is that okay?
WVU has not been consistently better than these programs. k State won some BIG 12 championships and played in several BCS bowls in the not too distant past. ISU and Texas Tech have just as good or better facilities and access to recruits and actually Tech has far better recruiting grounds, I can't believe how outside of rational thinking some of you destroy the program because bs was let go posters are.
WVU has had some good seasons no doubt, but where they are now is where they have traditionally been. It is going to take consistency in the coaching ranks and better recruiting which isn't helped by relentless poorly thought out negativity. It isn't going to happen overnight- as said WVU has no advantages in this conference except for over maybe one team. The competition is superior to that found in the past. It takes time, and nothing will be easier for WVU, recruiting is getting harder because frankly most everyone has geographic and recruiting advantages over WVU.
Let's get over the number of wins WV has (or doesn't have) this year. Let's play the bowl game and get ready for 2016. Let's first ring in the new year and then celebrate a win over ASU! If that ain't enough then...........................the judge can fine me ten! Holgs is my coach. Holgs is your coach!
TCU has had Patterson for 15 years and may be in prime recruiting area but TCU is not getting the elite athletics in Texas. Their recruiting classes are no better than wvu's according to rivals. Wvu has always had a presence in Florida and Florida athletes are superior to Texas athletes. Tcu is 3-1 against Wvu but Holgorson's incompetent play calling and clock management cost WVU in the 2012 and 2014 games in morgantown and that comes down to coaching
Careful there son. Both Florida and Texas are bonafide 'speed' states. Warez
I just look at all the national championships trophies hanging on the walls of Florida schools in the modern era. The Florida athlete is far superior to the Texas athlete. Baylor found out there JV Texas athletes where no match for UCF JV Florida athletes in the 2013 Fiesta bowl
KSU without Bill Snyder is nothing and they will be nothing when he leaves again. ISU is a horrific football program, I don't care what kind of facilities they have, they are a garbage program that is second fiddle in a sparsely populated state/area. Texas Tech is basically in Mexico and shares a recruiting territory with Texas, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. We have to be scared of these programs, seriously? Pathetic.
Where was Wvu when Nehlen came to town? In 1982 he went to Norman and laid down the law against Oklahoma. He ruined Boston College dream season, He ended the programs drought against Penn State and had to recruit head to head with Pitt and FYI Pitt was a national power at that time. If Nehlen had the resources holgorson had we could have competed for many more NC and i have no doubt that in his prime Wvu would have been wiping their ass with the majority of these Big 12 chumps
Good post. These all out DH supporters think that just because the ones criticizing him don't want him to succeed or even want him fired. That couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to succeed and actually like him and certain things he brings. But lets face it, his five years here and his situational play calling when compared to other programs proves that coaching is THE number one element to a successful program.
I get incensed when I see people dismiss what Nehlen did here and the foundation he laid. They quickly forget how for the most part when he had talent and an experienced team he finished the deal like 93 for example. This is more of a comparison to RR not being able to close out than DH but I'm just giving examples to coaching and what they do against teams when they're out manned and out gunned. Another example is when WVU played Miami in 83 when they won the nat'l title. That game was on 10 or 13-3 at the half finally losing 20-3. He also played them very tough in 91 & 92 down at the Orange Bowl. Those weren't blowouts. It's a bit different game today but still, coaching is what matters first and foremost.
If DH would just stop playing gambling and act like there are real consequences to his actions then he might be able to turn this thing around but we've not only lost too many games we shouldn't have but it's in the way we've lost them. No one with the status of our program and how far we've come since the pre-Nehlen days should score 63 points on us like happened this year. We've been embarrassed too many times in the five years he's been here.
People forget how prepared Nehlen's teams were and hung in there against tough teams and for the vast majority he beat the teams he was supposed to. He got blown out for sure at times but for 21 years, you really have to go back and look to see more than just the ones off the top of your head. Under DH, and even RR there's been so many blowouts there's no need to go past what's at the top of our heads because the $hit has been rolling down our faces. But even RR with a completely different offense turned it around in only his second year.
DH is recruiting pretty well it seems and putting players in the right positions but sometimes I'm not seeing the right players for the right situations, along with his play calling. The conference being tougher excuse only goes so far and when it becomes an excuse to rely on then we've got real troubles.
What we're dealing with is simply on the job training woes and all these excuses are not going to make that go away. He either gets it in gear for this bowl game and next season and becomes more cunning and learns to give what the defense takes instead of forcing things or he's gone. It's as simple as that.
Please, stop that. We all know by looking at Nehlen's career winning percentage and his cupcake scheduling that he is so far beneath Holgorsen. It has been posted on here numerous times by wbgvwbgv.
And we also know that Holgorsen has brought in the top recruiting classes to WV since joining the Big 12....well above anyone previous to him. And he's planting numerous guys in the NFL from WVU when that never happened under Rich Rod, or Nehlen.....
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