So I finally figured it out....evangelicals side with the KKK and Nazis simply
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You "hate" on the Left when you disagree with them. Their reality is all that is real. Disagree, you're a "hater". But they of course are allowed to disagree, and even lie about you but there is in their twisted logic no hate coming from them against those whom they disagree with don't ya know?
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Yes it certainly does @bamaEER & you made some serious charges in this thread but offered very few answers as Truth to back them up. Why can't you defend your own charges, or why are you so silent on your counterarguments to prove your point?
So I have two final questions to ask you if you've read through the thread and are ready to defend your scurrrilous charges against True Christians.
Question 1) Are KKK members Christians simply because they claim themselves to be such? Explain what makes them so, and why you believe them?
Question 2) Are Christians who claim Christ as their Savior Christians simply because they claim themselves to be such? Explain what makes them so and why you (presumably) also believe them?
3) Finally...and this is the ultimate test of wheather your charges against Christians are true or damnable lies... do you believe KKK members who call themselves Christians, or Christians who follow Christ and call themselves Christians to be the same practicing the same type of Christianity?
That's a "Yes" or "No" answer @bamaEER!
(Feel free to explain why not if you think there is a difference or even better why you suggested they are the same in the first place?)
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One last thing @bamaEER. You know it's not hard to answer all 3 of those questions I asked you in post # 163. I would think if you really believe your charge that KKK members who call themselves Christians are Christian, you'd want to defend that or at least be able to demonstrate it. If you can't answer those simple 3 questions honestly, or demonstrate why your charge is true, it's my proof that your original charge was a damnable lie just as I stated and I think quite clearly proved as such by muting your counter response.
One thing liars cannot do is continue to argue their lies as Truth, and you certainly prove that if you do not or simply can not respond to me.
Thanks for the verifcation.
One thing liars cannot do is continue to argue their lies as Truth, and you certainly prove that if you do not or simply can not respond to me.
Thanks for the verifcation.
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You want verification that people who claim to be Christian fit your definition of the word. The KKK has always claimed to be a Christian organization. I don't think that devalues the Christian ideal. I think everyone outside of that organization realizes that it is a bastardized version of the belief system. At the same time, if someone thinks they are a Christian, it is not for me to tell them they aren't.
I'll liken this to the Muslim versus radical Muslim issue. Several on the right ask why the mainstream Muslims don't decry the actions of radical Muslim groups more loudly. The initial post was essentially asking the same question about mainstream Christians with regard to these fringe folks who claim to be Christian.
I believe I clarified and quantified what a Christian is in this thread. It's not my definition that counts it's THE definition that does.
Anyone can say they are Christian as the thread demonstrates, but what makes one the genuine article is very narrowly defined which is the point of my question to @bamaEER who says KKK members call themselves such.
No, it's what you see as THE definition. If there was one definition only, you wouldn't have 31 different flavors of the same religion.
How is one a Christian without accepting Christ as Savior? That is THE definition not what others claim it to be.
If you don't recognize Christ's passion on the Cross to resolve Sin what is the point of calling yourself a Christian?
What else defines it?
How do you know they haven't? It could be that beliefs outside of that are where they split from you. The proof you are seeking isn't going to exist anywhere unless you go to church with the KKK folks. When someone tells me their religious affiliation, I don't quiz them about it, I accept it. It's not my place to question it.
What it is......pretty simple.......unlike Islamic "radicals", there is no such thing as Christian "radicals"........got it?
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This is absurd.
You don't have to question it! You know a rapist or a bigot and what one is because of what they do correct? You'd know a Christian the same way. (I hope) I asked @bamaEER to show me KKK members confessing their Sins or asking for forgiveness through Christ, or leading lost Souls in the Sinner's Prayer, or Evangelizing in the name of Christ to reclaim lost Souls.
He says he believes they are Christians but for doing what? Telling folks that Black people created by Almighty God should be murdered because they are simply a different color than themselves?
OK...guess that clears up any confusion then.
Of course there are many folks who don't believe in Christ's passion on the Cross...you are correct. However they're NOT Christian then by that definition. You can reject it too, but then you wouldn't call yourself one (Christian) either would you?
If you do accept him (Christ) you don't go around advocating for the murder of people of color. No Christian reads that in God's Holy Word (Scripture), and if they do, they're NOT Christians.
KKK members fit the above description.
By your definition of Christianity, you wouldn't do that. I would agree with that definition of Christianity too. That doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't believe that some humans were made in God's image. Look into the belief systems of some of these groups. They are out there. They strongly believe that they are Christians, and they strongly believe that they are the true believers. I'm not saying that they are right, because I don't believe they are. I'm simply saying that I don't get to tell them what their religious affiliation is. That's every individual's job to do for themselves.
I think you and I agree on the basic tenets of the Christian religion. I think you and I think similarly about how Christians should carry themselves. The only place where we split is who owns the right to define a person's religious beliefs. I think that right lies with each individual. It's not my place to define your or anyone else's beliefs.
You're correct, and I do very much agree with you 100% in fact that we have no right to define a person's beliefs or walk. I don't. Neither did Christ.
In fact he set the parameters of what a walk with him would be like. To be like him is to be a "Christian". To believe in him and who he claimed to be is to accept what that means. If you call yourself a Christian you do not question Christ's authority over death, Sin or your life itself! You live your Life through his example, and use his model to govern your Life. You surrender your Life to his authority, and ask for his mercy for your Salvation since you are incapable of saving yourself from Sin.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Those who do not believe this can call themselves whatever they want...even Christians if they prefer. However the proof is in what they actually believe and act on, not what they say they are.
Wouldn't you say this is exactly what many Leftsits do or say about Christians? Wasn't that the point of @bamaEER and @Original Mountaineer1's initial claims in this thread about KKK members?
They were called on their smear and they backed off to say they weren't suggesting all Christians are KKK sympathizers, but they didn't qualify that exception until they were called on it did they?
I think the title of the post could be read to imply tgat, but I think the postings were more in line with the idea that they thought Christians should be more explicitly calling out the bigoted elements that call themselves Christian.
Christians founded the Abolitionist Movement and were the primary people calling out the evil of racism and slavery.
And other Christians were arguing in favor of slavery. I'm not going to use 1800's actions to paint current groups as good or bad.
Good. Maybe the OP of the thread can follow your excellent example and stop smearing the entire Christian movement with the hatred of the KKK?
