If we hadn't lost Coach Stewart ...
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Ridiculous - winning can't be the measurement for the softness of a team. 90% of the programs in the country would have 3 loses in a row if they played WVU's schedule and they aren't all soft. Some fans will never adjust to being in a power conference and will forever be disappointed. We are putting more players in the NFL then before and that should tell you a lot about recruiting.
You are mistaken. I said nothing about making my assessments based on WVU's win/loss record. I based it on watching the team play and seeing them in person. What you are dancing in the mud hole called strawman. I also do not gauge our players based on who gets into the NFL as many get in and many of them wash out before the roster is set and even then few last more than a year or two.
FWIW, I actually agree with most of your posts and I am in line with much of logic on many topics that you post on here, as you seem to be something of a visionary. But when it comes to this coach you have no ability to see what is before you. Sad, because in so many ways, you are very perceptive. But, do not confuse my opinion with a rant or Anti-Dana. I wanted to like the guy, had high hopes for the guy, supported the guy, but there comes a time when you realize he is never going to be what you hoped. I am there, you are not. I hope Lyons is there with me on December 5th.
Bill Stewart deserved to coach in the Big 12 for one season - he earned that NOT because he was a West Virginian, BUT because
he had three 9-3 seasons. I will always regret not trying to get folks to support him when Ollie made the move. I don't know if
Coach Stew would have don't better in the Big 12 than Dana, but I do know that he wouldn't have done any worse.
he had three 9-3 seasons. I will always regret not trying to get folks to support him when Ollie made the move. I don't know if
Coach Stew would have don't better in the Big 12 than Dana, but I do know that he wouldn't have done any worse.
Sorry my mistake - should have read "I don't know if Coach Stew would have done any better in Big 12 than Dana, but I do
know that he wouldn't have done any worse."
know that he wouldn't have done any worse."
Stewart was not a good coach. Yes he won nine games but against who? I laugh whenever I read these discussions. He would have gotten destroyed in this conference and he left a depleted roster for Dana to work with.
That was a long time ago and the landscape was much different. Back then Syracuse was better than most SEC teams.
Except he let the recruiting fall way off and didn't believe in filling the recruiting class so he could spread the numbers out over 4 years. I think he made a really good assistant but no way was he a HC.
Of all the people I know, not a single one of them supported Stew as HC. There was no way he was going to be allowed to continue. The big money made that move happen. And yes, he would have done much worse because his recruiting was falling off.
WVU was like twenty scholarships short when he left. He was terrible. His play calling was also bad.
You make every excuse for Holgorsen and it is numerous that you are still blaming Stewart for the mess Holgorsen has made. The truth is, Holgorsen is just not getting the job done and is not a good fit for WVU. You can continue to stick your head in the sand if you want, and blame others for Holgorsen's shortcomings, but this program needs a new leader.
But on the flip side, if the Big East booth ref gets the fumble call right at UC we win 10 games go to the BCS to play VT. Remember that play?
Also the number was figured in the spring when kids had graduated and freshman were not in yet. I do know we were down in numbers but it almost seems this was a PR campaign by the Dana group to give him cover.
I played for Bill.
He was great guy and person.
But then again, he was human and not perfect as those who know him as well as I do can attest.
I sat through the ECU games in Greenville that we lost with Slaton and Pat on the field.
A great guy and friend, yes. I P5 Head Coach, not so much.
He was great guy and person.
But then again, he was human and not perfect as those who know him as well as I do can attest.
I sat through the ECU games in Greenville that we lost with Slaton and Pat on the field.
A great guy and friend, yes. I P5 Head Coach, not so much.
Can't we admit that they both suck? Dana is a better x and o's guy, but he lacks maturity and let's his emotions get the best of him in games, leading to dumb decisions and undisciplined.
Stewart was just....a joke.
Stewart was just....a joke.
Man, its hard coming on here and seeing WVU fans fire shots across the bow of a dead man. No honor, no moral compass. Pathetic.
winning 9 games a season and leaving he program with an NFL ready QB and WR's is not a joke
face it stew was terrible. I never said Holgorson was the answer. If you could read my post above I said maybe not. However he's light years better than stew. Truth is, you knuckleheads can't understand the big 12 actually is that much tougher. Holgs is a good coach. Not great. Playing a Nehlen or stew big east slate he wld be great.
as opposed to your stupidity? Lol
I'm not the one who said Geno, Tavon, and Sted were "NFL ready" when Bill left.
Stedman Bailey had a grand total of 24 catches before Dana arrived. In 2 years Dana had him, he had 186 catches and 37 TDs.
Stew was good for WVU after Rod left. Stew went around the State and told us things were going to be ok after the Pitt game. So, Ollie had the right to make a change and to be honest maybe going into a new league we needed someone new but Ollie should have gone in and wrote Bill a check, get him out the door, and thank him for his service. It was a business decision.
Not everyone shares your opinion. There are those that knew the stupid impromptu meeting at 2 AM meant Bill Stewart was in and the other two guys were out that it was ALL a case of politics with Manchin pushing Garrison to make the change. Bill Stewart should never have been head coach and as soon as Luck was on the job, he should have dropped Stewart from the job without any further thought, but Luck tried to do a very kind if unwise move in easing Stewart out gently and bringing Dana in with a soft debut. He could not have any idea that Stewart was anything but the man he seemed to be. That decent man turned into a bitter old fart that tried to burn the house down as he was being evicted.
Dana is just now figuring out what it takes to be a coach and in a way that is too bad for WVU, we gave him his OJT and hard knocks that another school will benefit from, but it wont be a P5 school, that isn't the level that Dana can be good; his ability is tied to being an P5 OC, or HC at mid-major. That is all of the gas there is in that tank.
luck tried that. Everyone forgets, stew had a $100k Wvu AD administration position awaiting him after 1 final year as Wvu HC. Stew screwed that up and was fired.
Ollie was not just being kind to Stew their were at the time big alums very much in Stewarts corner so this move was more about alumni then Stew
you do realize at the presser making Dana head coach that Ollie put to rest the rumors of Bill calling newspapers for info on Dana and overall Bill not wanting to work with the HCIW thing(why did Ollie do this? because he was about to have a lawsuit with legs against him). You also know that Bill and his staff always had some spring practices at 6 am? right? You do know correct? Well, Dana would not show up for practice, so it was not Bill causing trouble but Ollie putting to totally different coaching styles together. Never going to work.
Stewart probably could have named any position in the AD's office he wanted after winning the Fiesta Bowl. Rather, Pasthisprime made a drunken 3am hire.
if Stew was terrible..what does that say about the coaches who he defeated in 28 games?
another myth..several coaches were interviewed including Bud Foster..at least post something close to the truth...our current coach got booted from a casino for being drunk and disorderly and was very close to going to jail....mothman was called out..
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There's so much misinformation in this thread that people should actually start respecting a 'mith' or two.
You must have forgot about "mass confusion on the WV sideline," throwing Casteel under the bus after the loss to UConn, or being a Tron Martinez fumble away from losing to Marshall. While they sounded nice and humble in the runup to the Fiesta Bowl, the Stewism's got quite old after a while.
You must have forgot about "mass confusion on the WV sideline," throwing Casteel under the bus after the loss to UConn, or being a Tron Martinez fumble away from losing to Marshall. While they sounded nice and humble in the runup to the Fiesta Bowl, the Stewism's got quite old after a while.
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