Dems may try and use Endangered Species Act to stop the wall
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WVPATX: I was reading your responses and, though i agree with some of your points, and disagree with some others, i was enjoying the discussion and free flow of arguments exchanged. You lost me when you unnecessarily and incorrectly pigeon-holed me with your perjorative label of "liberal", and then said i asked a "stupid question." So much for trying to earnestly discuss an issue. I get that you are insecure and feel the need to lash out at someone who doesn't think the same as you, but i'm not interested in making things personal. Was just trying to stimulate some discusion of a timely, national topic with some questions that occurred to me. I will leave you to your walls and your opinions, and wish you well.
countryroads89 a few questions for you:
Do you think immigration to this country should be legal?
If so, should it be limited?
If so, by how much? (in rough numbers)
or
If you do not think it should be legal, or limited, should we have open borders...in other words anyone can come into or leave this country whenever they feel like it with no restrictions?
Which scenario do you favor, and why?
(I know you probably won't answer, but if you do I'd be curious what your reasoning is?)
He doesn't know how to respond. He hasn't read his opinions yet on Facebook.
I let them finish and then let them be on their way. But let's not pretend there isn't some bad shit that happens as well.
Trump is committed to a $1 trillion stimulus package. That is in addition to building the wall. Some funds have already been appropriated for that purpose. And yes despite liberal protestantions the wall will be a good preventative measure particularly for massive amounts of drugs flowing into the country. But it's not just the wall. It is the additional border agents, the electronic surveillance, the drones etc. that will make up a much improved border security program.
Once again, I don't see why liberals are so upset. The only possible exclamation is they want illegal immigrants to flow across the border for votes. Hillary and Obama have said as much. Because surely the liberal posters that are objecting do not have national security at the front of their minds for if they did they would want that border secure.
And you're better, much better than the canard about the Canadian border.
It's this, and it is not even arguable if you're on the Left. Illegals voting, and the extra votes changing those voting blocks in terms of representatives inside the electoral college to guarantee those numbers for Democrats.
There is no other reason to oppose this with the velocity of opposition the Left is displaying except to protect those voting blocks driven by illegals.
I was reacting to your surface to air missile comment. That was a ridiculous comment and that's why I said what I said. If any aircraft enters our airspace without permission, I presume that our Air Force Bases closest to the intruder will react. Again, in my opinion that was a ridiculous comment.
I think by the very nature and wording of your questions, particularly your last one regarding surface to air missile's, leads me to believe you are a liberal. You claim to have voted for conservatives, but I am quite skeptical except for fairly meaningless local elections. If you were truly an independent, you would not have worded the question is the way you worded them regarding our national security at the border, in my opinion. you're obviously against the wall which is a prerequisite in my opinion for effective border security along with many other measures.
By the way, if I have misread you and you truly are independent and open to all sides of an issue, then I apologize, but you clearly did not seem open to this one.
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Hey countryroads89 are you going to answer my questions about immigration or just join this guy for your next runaway?
It means you really think illegals cost us a billion dollars a year in health care.
You conservatives are dumber than I thought.
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The estimated cost of providing Medicaid coverage to 3.1 million amnestied illegal immigrants would be $8.1 billion annually. We have previously estimated that taxpayer-provided health care for uninsured illegal immigrants costs $4.3 billion annually.
http://cis.org/medicaid-costs
You are always wrong and get owned a lot.
I dont mind a true stimulus even if it is less than a trillion. The key to me is what the spending is on. Actually building infrastructure is one thing and bailing out state/local govt is another. There is plenty of infrastructure needed and if some changes were made in contracting it could be done cheaper than it is now.
Not even sure what that clown was thinking. I think he has been owned more than a 5 dollar whore and at this point he is just disagreeing to be a dickhead.
In 30 yrs it will be the northern wall. Then it will be internment camps. Then Marshall law.
There are about 480,000 illegals that cross the border each year. For us to spend 1 billion per year on them in health care, we would have to spend over 2,000 dollars on every single one of them.
There are about 480,000 illegals that cross the border each year. For us to spend 1 billion per year on them in health care, we would have to spend over 2,000 dollars on every single one of them.
The number who cross the border each year is irrelevant. There are over 11 million illegal immigrants here now and it is costing the US taxpayers billions of dollars. The longer we fail to secure the border the more the total number rises and the more the cost burden to tax payers.
You are either being stupid or disengenuous. Illegals get here from many countries and many different ways. Most by plane with temporary visas.
So how important is the wall? How important is it to increase staffing to investigate all illegals?
No Stephanie, you are wrong again. While illegal immigrants do come from other countries besides Mexico, the large majority come from Mexico or cross via the Mexico border. So maybe if you spent less time wearing your pussy hat and embarrassing yourself at the womens march you would probably be more up on the facts. I feel sorry for your husband.
This is a far right organization ......enough said. No bias here. Nope. None.
No it's not. Your right wing buddy made this argument.
You guys are morons. You can't even stayed focused on what you are trying to argue.
I saw a stat that I didnt verify that slighty over 40% of illegals enter legally and just don't leave. Nobody seems tto care about that group. A lot of those are students an young adults that would also fit that category of low income, Medicaid recipients. But We just focus on the shorter, Spanish speaking folks from the south. That's interesting isn't it. I always find it funny that everyone talks about the Mexican boarder as a potential avenue for terrorists to enter......canada would be the easiest way for them but nobody ever talked about securing the Canadian border.
Let's get the criminals out. Let's get the gang bangers out. Let's move on and focus on important issues like our electric grid redundancy and modernizing our air travel infrastructure.
Their raw number doesn't seem out of line. I just thought it was telling that you only link something from the FAR right. Maybe even alt right.....
And I have given you the opportunity to link a separate study that either confirms what they say or disputes their findings.
Everybody talks about the drain on services due to illegals. I am sure there are areas of California, Texas, Arizona, and florida that are drowning in costs to deal with the illegals. What I would like to see is the cumulative Impact positive and negative of illegals on our society Here is something interesting I found.
Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that undocumented workers don't pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[20] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[20]Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[30] In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.
Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that undocumented workers don't pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[20] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[20]Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[30] In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.
