Compare OU, Utah and Baylor

[Buckaineer]

Who should be in the playoff (assuming UGA loses and/or aren't gifted a spot).

If you throw out the biases and made up rankings, just look at what they actually did and what their opponents did, how their conferences did against non con--pretty clear the BIG 12 teams should be favored.

OU should be ranked AHEAD of Utah and Baylor at this stage (before the CCGs).

scoring 1pt win, -1 loss; 2pts P5 opp, 1 pt G5, .5 fcs; 1pt Home games, 2 pts Away games,1.5 games Neutral site

Based on their schedules these are the results:

OU: 49
Utah: 47.5
Baylor: 47.5

OU should be ranked ahead of both.

How do you break the Baylor, Utah tie?

One good measure would be how did their respective conferences do in OOC play?

The BIG 12 went 22-5 OOC-81.5%-best of all conferences win %
The Pac 12 went 22-10 OOC-68.8% win %

Baylor played everyone in their conference, Utah did not.

As for their opponents its pretty close in win % between Baylor and Utah
Utah's opponents had a 47.2% win %
Baylor's opponents had a 47.1 % win %

 

[Buckaineer]

As for play against ranked opponents:

OU ---currently 3, 4 after the CCG #11, #13, #21,#9
Baylor---currently 1, 2 after the CCG, #10, #7
Utah ---currently 1, 2 after the CCG, #17, #14

It's clear the BIG 12 should have the upper hand--no reason Oregon should be ranked above either BIG 12 school at this point

 

[doneagain]

It is going to be fine for the B12 because LSU is going to beat UGA.

Oregon is going to beat Utah.

And OU is going to get a boost by beating what will probably be at worst a top 7 Baylor squad in the B12 title game and will be the only P5 team left with only 1 loss that is not among the undefeateds (OSU, LSU, Clemson).

I am no Oklahoma fan, but it will be somewhat sweet revenge for Hurtz to make the playoffs with Oklahoma while Alabama sits at home for the first time.

 

[Buckaineer]

The big problem is that the committee (and media) have Utah for some reason, ahead, despite not having better accomplishments. The media is trying hard to get the Pac and Big back in the playoff and leave the BIG 12 out again--its why the BIG 12 schools dropped so quickly but moved up so slowly.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

So the Big 12 was left out of the CFP last season and the season before, Bucky? Your Big 12 propaganda campaign would make Joseph Goebbels blush, if he were still alive, that is. Oklahoma should be treated for losing to an incredibly unathletic K-State team with a new coach no differently than Ohio State was scorned for losing to Purdue last season.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Utah is ranked ahead of OU and Baylor because the committee wants them to be.

Utah wins they are in. Utah loses they are out.
Georgia wins, then LSU and Georgia are in.
If Georgia loses and Utah Loses then OU is in.
If Georgia, Utah and OU lose, then it will be a huge question if Baylor is in or if a 2 loss team gets in.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

You're almost correct, Allen, but no way would the CFP Committee leave out either Georgia or LSU, if the Dogs were to win the $EC.

 

[Buckaineer]

So the Big 12 was left out of the CFP last season and the season before, Bucky? Your Big 12 propaganda campaign would make Joseph Goebbels blush, if he were still alive, that is. Oklahoma should be treated for losing to an incredibly unathletic K-State team with a new coach no differently than Ohio State was scorned for losing to Purdue last season.

SUXU, the BIG 12 couldn't be left out the last two seasons. No one could possibly claim a better resume and since the committee had left them out artificially before and knew it they had to be mindful of that.

K State went on the road and beat an SEC while your luckeyes played three lightweights at home and didn't even attempt a P5 game for fear of losing.

K State is a solid team where Purdue is a bottom dwellar in the B10. K State's difficult round robin schedule in the toughest conference unfortunately guarantees losses--they are not anywhere comparable to a loss to Purdue. K State is currently #24 in Sagarin while Purdue is #69 which is high for where they usually stand.

Georgia lost to South Carolina--which about half the BIG 12 including K State would beat--yet no one is artificially holding UGA back. tOSU didn't play a P5 OOC. Not a peep---yet all you hear about Baylor is "schedule" OOC. Clemson plays the weakest schedule of anyone--maybe one or two teams with a winning record? Their punishment : 3rd or 4th place in the playoff.

Besides I didn't say OU should be in the top playoff spot right now, I said that the BIG 12 teams should be ahead of the Pac 12 based on ACTUAL results rather than the trumped up b.s. that is currently being used to exclude them--mostly consisting of the anti BIG 12 bias (what defense stopped tOSU from running up 50-60 pts in the B10? What was that Alabama-Auburn score again? What about the a she she? Where were the defenses?--yet we are still hearing the phony "BIG 12 doesn't play defense" b.s. and a complete ignoring of the best results OOC of ANY of the conferences by a wide margin.

 

[Buckaineer]

You're almost correct, Allen, but no way would the CFP Committee leave out either Georgia or LSU, if the Dogs were to win the $EC.

and that makes no sense as neither has a better resume at that point than teams left out.

Georgia lost to SOUTH CAROLINA at home. There's no way to claim they are better than conference leading teams from i.e. the PAC or especially the BIG 12. Especially since they lost to Texas at the end of last year in the bowl.

 

[Buckaineer]

Georgia's score using the simple on field results scoring as applied to schools above:

48 --they should not be ranked ahead of OU at this point.

 

[Buckaineer]

Based on on field results this is the scoring and rank that we should see right now for the playoff:

1-Ohio State (score 50)
2-LSU (score 49.5)
3-Oklahoma (score 49)
4-Clemson (score 48.5)
5-UGA (score 48)
6- Baylor (score 47.5 * see tie breaker with Utah above)
7-Utah (score 47.5 * see tie breaker with Baylor above)

CLEARLY the Big 12 is being screwed by the media and committee big time

 

[muraca777]

Even crooked bias ESPN had somebody say Oklahoma should get the edge with its schedule over Utah, but I'm sure they'll get fired, just like Greeny will probably get fined and a stiff talking to from yesterday he admitted LSU should be #1 In playoff rankings, they wont be but should be. Oh boy, you can guarantee after Herbie and Galloway pulled their pants back up amd ran and told on him, leadership was NOT happy, you do NOT go against the family or mess with the money. But yes oklahoma/Baylor winner deserves In over Utah

 

[muraca777]

And then after all that they actually had the balls to attack Baylors ooc schedule strength. Lmao. O$u is #1. They spend all this time telling us Minnesota deserves in and state penn, so take a look at their ooc schedule strength. The entire big 10 that I can think of played 1 game against a ranked opponent ooc definitely cant think of more than 1 win. Minnesota 38 ga. Southern 35 or something like that, lsu 55 ga. Southern 3, and Minnesota almost played for a national championship. One of them actually said if wisconsin wins the big 10 deserves 2 teams

 

[SeronimusPratt]

So the Big 12 was left out of the CFP last season and the season before, Bucky? Your Big 12 propaganda campaign would make Joseph Goebbels blush, if he were still alive, that is. Oklahoma should be treated for losing to an incredibly unathletic K-State team with a new coach no differently than Ohio State was scorned for losing to Purdue last season.

SUXU, the BIG 12 couldn't be left out the last two seasons. No one could possibly claim a better resume and since the committee had left them out artificially before and knew it they had to be mindful of that.

K State went on the road and beat an SEC while your luckeyes played three lightweights at home and didn't even attempt a P5 game for fear of losing.

K State is a solid team where Purdue is a bottom dwellar in the B10. K State's difficult round robin schedule in the toughest conference unfortunately guarantees losses--they are not anywhere comparable to a loss to Purdue. K State is currently #24 in Sagarin while Purdue is #69 which is high for where they usually stand.

Georgia lost to South Carolina--which about half the BIG 12 including K State would beat--yet no one is artificially holding UGA back. tOSU didn't play a P5 OOC. Not a peep---yet all you hear about Baylor is "schedule" OOC. Clemson plays the weakest schedule of anyone--maybe one or two teams with a winning record? Their punishment : 3rd or 4th place in the playoff.

Besides I didn't say OU should be in the top playoff spot right now, I said that the BIG 12 teams should be ahead of the Pac 12 based on ACTUAL results rather than the trumped up b.s. that is currently being used to exclude them--mostly consisting of the anti BIG 12 bias (what defense stopped tOSU from running up 50-60 pts in the B10? What was that Alabama-Auburn score again? What about the a she she? Where were the defenses?--yet we are still hearing the phony "BIG 12 doesn't play defense" b.s. and a complete ignoring of the best results OOC of ANY of the conferences by a wide margin.

Oh the hypocrisy from the village mongoloid.

K-state is a solid team, yet NB beat them on their home turf.

Yet Bucky-qeer thinks NB sucks...

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

If Clemson, OSU and LSU all win this should be the rankings:

1. LSU due to more wins over CFP ranked teams.
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson

4. Will be a toss up between
Oklahoma (if they beat Baylor.)
Utah (if they win the PAC)

 

[Buckaineer]

If Clemson, OSU and LSU all win this should be the rankings:

1. LSU due to more wins over CFP ranked teams.
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson

4. Will be a toss up between
Oklahoma (if they beat Baylor.)
Utah (if they win the PAC)

Clemsons resume doesnt compare to Oklahomas. They are simply undefeated against a lightweight schedule. But the committe obviously awards that for conferences with certain tv contracts, and certain conference networks that certain networks benefit from ( and want teams from said conferences in the playoff).

 

[tOSUGrad90]

LSU does not have more CFP wins than Ohio State either when the games were played or now.

 

[Buckaineer]

Not sure what tOSU wins vs. LSU wins in the CFP have to do with anything? The current playoff is based on current results--or its supposed to be. This season.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

WestsiderSJHS77 posted that he would rank LSU No. 1 based upon LSU's allegedly having more CFP Top 25 wins, but Ohio State will have one more of these, if both teams win or lose on Saturday.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Ohio State. LSU
Conference Title games
8 Wisconsin. 4 Georgia
Regular Season
8 Wisconsin. 9 Florida
10 Penn State. 11 Auburn
14 Michigan 12 Alabama
20 Cincinnati

My bad. I wasn’t counting the mighty Bearcats.