ACC a better fit than Big 12?

[Charleston Mountie]

Post a link to this news. The Big 12 isn't going to expand and no news articles are saying they are going to, just the UT line that it's still under consideration, or the fantasy line that it should be with unavailable P5 schools only.

The only links I could find that would help were those to Haldol and Clozapine. Both come highly recommended for the treatment of schizophrenia. I am sure there are others to bring someone back to reality but I have it on good authority those are the most effective for advanced cases.

I am not your research gopher. The news is out there, you can either go find it or continue to sulk in your corner because the world did not unfold in the way you bashed every one here with for months on end. You need to grow up.

 

[topdecktiger]

Look at the date of the article

You can look at the date of the article, but the date of the tax return was from the 2015 fiscal year. The $30.4 million for the Big 12 you are quoting is from 2016 fiscal year.

The Big 12 announced its members would split $304 million in revenue for 2015-2016
http://newsok.com/article/5502121

Compare that to your Big Ten article:

The conference had $448.8 million in total revenue during a fiscal year ending June 30, 2015
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/

The fiscal year for the Big Ten figure ended in 2015. The fiscal year for the Big 12 figure ended in 2016. It's indisputable.

 

[Buckaineer]

The only links I could find that would help were those to Haldol and Clozapine. Both come highly recommended for the treatment of schizophrenia. I am sure there are others to bring someone back to reality but I have it on good authority those are the most effective for advanced cases.

I am not your research gopher. The news is out there, you can either go find it or continue to sulk in your corner because the world did not unfold in the way you bashed every one here with for months on end. You need to grow up.

Wow you have issues. And apparently also lie alot since you cant provide 1 link. Feel free to crawl back into your hole and stay there.

 

[CE4WVU]

After being snubbed by the ACC and their current members feelings for us (along w/mutual feelings towards a handful of their members from our BE days), I prefer in staying loyal to the Big 12. Yeah, going to the ACC would get many old rivalries back... but taking a pay cut in the process. The Big 12 has been good to us. So, other than helping with travel, I see no point trying to get into a conference that actually never wanted us and neither did most of the schools.

 

[Buckaineer]

Michael, I tried pointing to Buck that Boren said "that market conditions were the reason" Apparently it only confused him since he went back to the archives and requoted a comment Boren made 3 -5 months ago and before all the researched was released, about BIG12 needing a network.

Didnt confuse me at all. Apparently others are confused however, as the ACC is still looking at a network. How can that be if " the market conditions" wont allow for that?

Some have lost their ability to think straight. Too much time fantasizing about the ACC falling apart and pretending the Big Ten and Pac wont do anything until the Big 12 decides to.

 

[VaultHunter]

All I want is one or two schools within driving distance in the Big12 and I would be happy for WVU to remain a Big12 member forever. This is the first time in my 34 year lifetime WVU doesn't have a conference rival and it's just weird. Louisville, Cincinnati and WVU as eastern members of the Big12 would have made this conference the perfect place for WVU to be.Other than that the Big12 is the best thing to ever happen to WVU.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

All I want is one or two schools within driving distance in the Big12 and I would be happy for WVU to remain a Big12 member forever. This is the first time in my 34 year lifetime WVU doesn't have a conference rival and it's just weird. Louisville, Cincinnati and WVU as eastern members of the Big12 would have made this conference the perfect place for WVU to be.Other than that the Big12 is the best thing to ever happen to WVU.

I am going to question my sanity in saying this but Pitt was also on the possible list at that time. Had the Big-12 taken WVU, Pitt, Cincinnati and Louisville it would have bounced back to 12 immediately and so much that has been discussed over and over would never have happened.

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Other may feel differently but that girl has a bad case of Jello butt. Not my sort of terrain.

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

Other may feel differently but that girl has a bad case of Jello butt. Not my sort of terrain.

Other may feel differently but that girl has a bad case of Jello butt. Not my sort of terrain.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Hello, Jello! No cottage cheese in sight.

 

[Falcon1981]

I think the Big12 is a huge football upgrade.
When i was younger I could only image playing teams like Oklahoma and Texas every week.
I used to drive three hours to watch teams like Richmond in Morgantown.
Basketball is also fun. Kansas at home every year......
The travel would not be that much better in the ACC. It is a long haul to Miami and Florida State.Five travel games a year for football is all it is folks. People act live we travel 3000 miles every week. We have 5-7 home games a year where they have to travel to us.
Enjoy it folks this is the big time we always wanted.

 

[skygusty]

How did you get this footage of my grandaughter?

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Didnt confuse me at all. Apparently others are confused however, as the ACC is still looking at a network. How can that be if " the market conditions" wont allow for that?

Some have lost their ability to think straight. Too much time fantasizing about the ACC falling apart and pretending the Big Ten and Pac wont do anything until the Big 12 decides to.

Still looking does not mean Chit. They won't get a network because ESPN owns the rights, and they don't think it is viable in todays market place.

 

[skygusty]

Still looking does not mean Chit. They won't get a network because ESPN owns the rights, and they don't think it is viable in todays market place.

When the Big12 says they are still looking at expansion, they are lying. When Boren says market forces are against a network, he is lying, when Boren says they are going to have to look at other options, he is telling the truth, when the ACC says they are still looking at a network, they are telling the truth, when Big12 ADs and presidents say there is a new spirit of cooperation and that they are more united and stronger than ever they are lying. All we are missing is the secret Bucks Truth Detector Decoder Ring. Send 10 Ovaltine labels and Ten Bucks to David Boren's Basement, 1 Sick Puppy, Norman, Oklahoma.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Of course it wasn't reported anywhere- except for the day before when UTs AD basically said himself that UT didn't see letting go of the LHN, having a conference network, expanding, or doing anything but talking endlessly and having a 10 team CCG- and VOILA!

You read market conditions stopped the BIG 12, yet "market conditions" haven't stopped the ACC?

Think about it for a minute.

The BIG 12 can't have a network without UT, and UT isn't giving up theirs- except to switch conferences , straight from a UT "source".

So according to you Boren has to be lying when he said that Market conditions is the reason BIG12 network is dead. And why is that a lie? Because it does your talking points and agenda.

And do you see an F'in ACC network yet? No, you don't. Why? Because ESPN who owns all the rights does not think there is value and creating an ACCN in today’s market space.

You are living in some parallel universe because even when presented with the latest comments and facts, you still call them all lies if they don’t meet your line of thinking.

 

[Buckaineer]

What did you think Boren would say? "Texas won't give up the LHN so there's not going to be a network?" Seriously?

If the ACC does indeed get a network going then obviously Borens comments will have been untrue, but he is simply doing the diplomatic thing and not calling anyone out.

The BIG 12 has said they are "looking at expansion" since 2010 or so, and they'll continue "looking at expansion" through 2025.

Unfortunately the candidates available today will still be the candidates available in 2025, but they'll be a decade removed from having the resources to be competitive by then.

 

[NCNEER]

I prefer the SEC or B12 it's a better fit for WVU. I am sort of over VT and Pitt we have better teams in the B12 and definitely bigger football games, The basketball in the B12 is great, Baseball is great and more money. Now if you ask me about the SEC that's a tougher call but the basketball is not as good in the SEC.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

What did you think Boren would say? "Texas won't give up the LHN so there's not going to be a network?" Seriously?

If the ACC does indeed get a network going then obviously Borens comments will have been untrue, but he is simply doing the diplomatic thing and not calling anyone out.

The BIG 12 has said they are "looking at expansion" since 2010 or so, and they'll continue "looking at expansion" through 2025.

Unfortunately the candidates available today will still be the candidates available in 2025, but they'll be a decade removed from having the resources to be competitive by then.

And there you have it chicken little the sky is falling strikes again. If it does not meet your talking point it is a lie.

 

[Buckaineer]

And there you have it chicken little the sky is falling strikes again. If it does not meet your talking point it is a lie.

You just aren't very intelligent. Things have to slap you hard in the face for you to get it.

Before too long they will.

 

[LowFatMilk]

Before too long they will.

To be fair... ...you've typed that more than once.

I actually enjoy your posts Buck but it ALWAYS ends up that what you think should happen will happen after the next Big 12 get together. ....yet, never does...

 

[Buckaineer]

To be fair... ...you've typed that more than once.

I actually enjoy your posts Buck but it ALWAYS ends up that what you think should happen will happen after the next Big 12 get together. ....yet, never does...

I haven't discussed what I think should happen. I've only discussed what needed to happen straight from the primary leaders of the conference such as Boren.

Not sure why there is such a disconnect about that. Well actually I do know.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

You just aren't very intelligent. Things have to slap you hard in the face for you to get it.

Before too long they will.

And you are a bafoon who is so intent in beliving one line, can't see light before your eyes.

Again, if it does not fit into your little tiny box, it is a lie.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

There is no way anyone could KNOW that the Big 12 is going to fail, KNOW that Texas is on the way out, and KNOW that Oklahoma is ABSOLUTELY going to leave, sealing the fate of the conference with NOTHING to back it up. Give us a link to your interviews with UT's President Gregory L. Fenves and Oklahoma's David Boren and I will buy whatever you are trying to sell with your twisted reason and logic.

And to also KNOW that the ACC Network is just around the corner and the ACC Conference will THRIVE and seemingly dominate ALL of college sports. If you've never said it you and a couple of others have STRONGLY implied it and some of us are sick of all this trolling and BS doom and gloom for WVU and the Big 12.

It's like a freakin' broken record that never stops.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

You sir are a genius. This matter is settled.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Actully the ACC reached out to WVU before reaching out to UofL after Maryland left. WVU said no that ship has already sailed.

Funny stuff! Best troll post of the night. Congrats!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I thought orlaco is from PA.

Better yet she's a Pitt poster that plays both sides on both sites. Typical playa

 

[Buckaineer]

And you are a bafoon who is so intent in beliving one line, can't see light before your eyes.

Again, if it does not fit into your little tiny box, it is a lie.

You are a fool. Your agenda has completely blinded you.

Here is the view out in Norman Oklahoma-

Excerpt from the Norman Transcript:
http://www.normantranscript.com/spo...cle_f2244272-04b0-5149-8c2b-7ad895ef5289.html

“I think we were all taken aback that we had a 20-percent improvement this year. You have to add to that what all the individual schools are doing,” Boren said. “You look at Oklahoma’s distribution, in light of the fact we went to the Final Four in football and basketball and had these other successes… You add to it other things we’re doing that enhances the revenue in our athletics department, when you look at all that, the Big 12 is not unhealthy right now. Many members of the Big 12 are doing quite well.”

But how long does that last?


OU’s concern is how it will keep pace with the Big Ten and SEC in the coming years. The one settled issue from the Big 12 spring meetings is the league missed the boat on a conference television network. The money either ESPN or FOX would’ve thrown at it five years ago is gone. The Big Ten and SEC didn’t miss that boat. Revenues for the SEC and Big Ten are expected to swell over the next decade because of their decisions.

Ask most OU fans, at least the ones that participate in social media, and they want their school to jump ship to one of those conferences. Of course, many wanted OU to leave for the Pac-12 when it nearly did in 2010 and 2011. Financially, staying in the Big 12 was the prudent move. Big 12 schools currently receive more than those in the Pac-12 or ACC conferences. Right now, OU’s revenue is on par with the Big Ten’s and SEC’s pace.

How much that changes in the coming years will largely decide the Sooners’ long-term conference future.

The grant-in-rights agreement for the Big 12 runs through the 2024-25 academic year. Once it expires, everyone in the conference is effectively a free agent. Because of their large fanbases, OU and Texas would be highly coveted by any conference if they want to join. They bring eyes to screens, be it television or otherwise.

The fate should be known long before the Big 12’s TV contracts expire. Those agreements rarely reach their expiration dates. Decisions about renewing them or letting them run out are typically made years in advance. The market could be a lot different two years from now let alone eight.

 

[Andhelfer]

MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND'!!!

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Funny stuff! Best troll post of the night. Congrats!

Sorry but that is true.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

You are a fool. Your agenda has completely blinded you.

Here is the view out in Norman Oklahoma-

Excerpt from the Norman Transcript:
http://www.normantranscript.com/spo...cle_f2244272-04b0-5149-8c2b-7ad895ef5289.html

“I think we were all taken aback that we had a 20-percent improvement this year. You have to add to that what all the individual schools are doing,” Boren said. “You look at Oklahoma’s distribution, in light of the fact we went to the Final Four in football and basketball and had these other successes… You add to it other things we’re doing that enhances the revenue in our athletics department, when you look at all that, the Big 12 is not unhealthy right now. Many members of the Big 12 are doing quite well.”

But how long does that last?


OU’s concern is how it will keep pace with the Big Ten and SEC in the coming years. The one settled issue from the Big 12 spring meetings is the league missed the boat on a conference television network. The money either ESPN or FOX would’ve thrown at it five years ago is gone. The Big Ten and SEC didn’t miss that boat. Revenues for the SEC and Big Ten are expected to swell over the next decade because of their decisions.

Ask most OU fans, at least the ones that participate in social media, and they want their school to jump ship to one of those conferences. Of course, many wanted OU to leave for the Pac-12 when it nearly did in 2010 and 2011. Financially, staying in the Big 12 was the prudent move. Big 12 schools currently receive more than those in the Pac-12 or ACC conferences. Right now, OU’s revenue is on par with the Big Ten’s and SEC’s pace.

How much that changes in the coming years will largely decide the Sooners’ long-term conference future.

The grant-in-rights agreement for the Big 12 runs through the 2024-25 academic year. Once it expires, everyone in the conference is effectively a free agent. Because of their large fanbases, OU and Texas would be highly coveted by any conference if they want to join. They bring eyes to screens, be it television or otherwise.

The fate should be known long before the Big 12’s TV contracts expire. Those agreements rarely reach their expiration dates. Decisions about renewing them or letting them run out are typically made years in advance. The market could be a lot different two years from now let alone eight.

You are a halfwit, who has no clue. I take that back, saying you are a halfwit is giving you way too much credit. I have no agenda, I only want what the leaders thinks is best for the conference. I just follow, evaluate, and present the latest facts. You on the other hand says that everything said that does not match your tiny box is a lie, while all else is factual. You on the other hand want only what you think is best for the conference.

You can’t predict what the F is going to happen down the road. This is what we do know.

1. BIG12 payout rose 20% which was far more than most people predicted especially from the idiots like yourself.

2. Starting in 2017, the BIG12 will have a CCG, providing another 3 million per program a year.

3. BIG12 Network is dead. Why is that? PAY CLOSE ATTENTION MARKET CONDITIONS. After all the data was presented to BIG12 about a conference network they killed the idea.

Please read what Boren had to say about starting a network in today’s market place with an open mind especially in paragraph 2 and 3.

"The conference always has to be open about moving forward and looking at other things," Boren said. "But the marketplace has taken the Big 12 Network, in the traditional sense, off the marketplace.

"That would be true for the SEC or the Big Ten or anybody else coming up for the first time trying to create a network at this particular time. There's no reason for us to have a quarrel with anybody over whether their network is going to continue or not when there isno possibility for a marketplace for creating a traditional Big 12 Network."

"I think it was kind of a watershed meeting," he said. "What we saw happen, I think the members put aside their previous inclinations. I've certainly had mine, and I've not been shy about expressing them."

This isn’t just Kumbaya talk, it is reality in today’s day of cutting off the networks.

4. ESPN keeps delaying any effort to launch the ACCN. Why, is this? I will type very slowly so you might understand, so please PAY CLOSE ATTENTION AGAIN) MARKET CONDITIONS.

5. Expansion is not a closed issue. Quotes from Boren

"I would say at this time, we still feel like we need more information," Boren said. "We are certainly continuing to consider possible expansion and what that might do in terms of how it might impact the conference, both positively and negatively. We're looking at the whole picture. We'll continue to very seriously look at that possibility."

Last: I don’t give a flying leap what some stupid OU board posters thinks about the BIG12. They probably know just a little bit more than what you know about the whole process. The important factor is what the President and BOR thinks about the BIG12, and for now they are very happy with how things shook out from the BIG12 meeting. And why should they be? They got a 20% increase in revenue; they got the title game they wanted, providing another 10% increase in revenue. And the entire BIG12 is on the same page.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND'!!!

Money makes the world go around
The world go around
The world go around
Money makes the world go around
It makes the world go 'round.

A mark, a yen, a buck, or a pound
A buck or a pound
A buck or a pound
Is all that makes the world go around,
That clinking clanking sound
Can make the world go 'round.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

There is no way anyone could KNOW that the Big 12 is going to fail, KNOW that Texas is on the way out, and KNOW that Oklahoma is ABSOLUTELY going to leave, sealing the fate of the conference with NOTHING to back it up. Give us a link to your interviews with UT's President Gregory L. Fenves and Oklahoma's David Boren and I will buy whatever you are trying to sell with your twisted reason and logic.

And to also KNOW that the ACC Network is just around the corner and the ACC Conference will THRIVE and seemingly dominate ALL of college sports. If you've never said it you and a couple of others have STRONGLY implied it and some of us are sick of all this trolling and BS doom and gloom for WVU and the Big 12.

It's like a freakin' broken record that never stops.

You are wrong Michael, Chicken little knows exactly what is going to happen. If you don't believe it, just ask him.

 

[Buckaineer]

You are a halfwit, who has no clue. I take that back, saying you are a halfwit is giving you way too much credit. I have no agenda, I only want what the leaders thinks is best for the conference. I just follow, evaluate, and present the latest facts. You on the other hand says that everything said that does not match your tiny box is a lie, while all else is factual. You on the other hand want only what you think is best for the conference.

You can’t predict what the F is going to happen down the road. This is what we do know.

1. BIG12 payout rose 20% which was far more than most people predicted especially from the idiots like yourself.

2. Starting in 2017, the BIG12 will have a CCG, providing another 3 million per program a year.

3. BIG12 Network is dead. Why is that? PAY CLOSE ATTENTION MARKET CONDITIONS. After all the data was presented to BIG12 about a conference network they killed the idea.

Please read what Boren had to say about starting a network in today’s market place with an open mind especially in paragraph 2 and 3.

"The conference always has to be open about moving forward and looking at other things," Boren said. "But the marketplace has taken the Big 12 Network, in the traditional sense, off the marketplace.

"That would be true for the SEC or the Big Ten or anybody else coming up for the first time trying to create a network at this particular time. There's no reason for us to have a quarrel with anybody over whether their network is going to continue or not when there isno possibility for a marketplace for creating a traditional Big 12 Network."

"I think it was kind of a watershed meeting," he said. "What we saw happen, I think the members put aside their previous inclinations. I've certainly had mine, and I've not been shy about expressing them."

This isn’t just Kumbaya talk, it is reality in today’s day of cutting off the networks.

4. ESPN keeps delaying any effort to launch the ACCN. Why, is this? I will type very slowly so you might understand, so please PAY CLOSE ATTENTION AGAIN) MARKET CONDITIONS.

5. Expansion is not a closed issue. Quotes from Boren

"I would say at this time, we still feel like we need more information," Boren said. "We are certainly continuing to consider possible expansion and what that might do in terms of how it might impact the conference, both positively and negatively. We're looking at the whole picture. We'll continue to very seriously look at that possibility."

Last: I don’t give a flying leap what some stupid OU board posters thinks about the BIG12. They probably know just a little bit more than what you know about the whole process. The important factor is what the President and BOR thinks about the BIG12, and for now they are very happy with how things shook out from the BIG12 meeting. And why should they be? They got a 20% increase in revenue; they got the title game they wanted, providing another 10% increase in revenue. And the entire BIG12 is on the same page.

Moronic talk from you as usual.

The increase for BIG 12 members isn't an unexpected increase, it falls into BIG 12 projections I have posted myself previously.

The ACCN is not dead. They are still working on one and may announce a network later this summer. Can't wait to see you backtracking from that one.

As for expansion, he BIG 12 has said for years they are looking at expansion.

Boren said just a few weeks back if there is no network there will be no need for expansion. Texas AD said the day before the CCG vote- the only thing UT was for, that he expected they will continue talking a long time - indefinitely- about expansion. So no, despite your brief connection with reality, this is not a revelation. They will continue talking about expansion. I've said so numerous times as have they. They just won't get around to actually expanding because they can only make a much smaller amount of revenue from that and UT doesn't want future realignment affected by the BIG 12 expanding- straight from their ADs mouth. He didn't say future BIG 12 realignment, just future realignment.

The network with expansion was critical to boosting revenues to where the Big Ten and SECs revenues will be going.

Lastly you reference Boren. Interesting you believe what he says when he now says that OU is content, and that there's "no market" for a network, but he was a loud mouthed fool in your eyes who you bashed repeatedly when he stated OU would have to look around if comprehensive improvements weren't made, and that the conference would make $4-$6 million additional from expansion and a network based on consultants reports, and that expansion with available schools was necessary to help secure the conferences future. Which one is it- you are always running your virtual mouth at me- yet you are the one that believes what fits an agenda.

You wanting something to be doesn't make it so, and yes, the desires of OUs fanbase are important to Boren and other leaders- he just referenced who they play being important to fans in any expansion decision as impacting HIS decisions.

Guess you were too busy pretending GORs could easily be broken to hear that?

Wake up.

 

[skygusty]

Buck has never been a Mountaineer fan or a fan of the BIG12. He has been tireless in his efforts to sow discord and promote bad feelings between Texas and OU and the rest of the members. While wailing and hand-wringing about all the negative press the BIG12 has been getting he is always the quickest to point it out and the first to add even more negative opinion. He is the one that continues to imply that Texas and OU are saying one thing publicly, and doing quite the opposite behind their smiles. Clogging up the message board, annoying the participants and promoting negative agendas is what he is about. He doesn't even participate on any other subjects than expansion. While the rest of us celebrate good news, he doesn't even acknowledge it. If the conference had voted to add two teams he would still be on here saying Texas was leaving, or they added the wrong teams and OU was leaving. Apparently, the only thing that will satisfy him is the dissolution of the BIG12 or at least getting Oklahoma out of there.

 

[Buckaineer]

Sky gusty has never been a fan of WVU or the BIG 12. He has been tireless in his efforts to bash anyone who dared talk about the BIG 12 making positive improvements, and supported anyone who pushed for the conference to do nothing so its members would be available should other P5s want to expand with B12 schools in the future.
He has bashed every positive development at WVU-- coaches, players, ADs relentlessly, conference moves and the wishes of the president- trying to wreck WVUs programs from the ground up. Bashed facilities improvements as well.

The only thing he supports is silencing anyone that doesn't agree with his myopic views-- which are not shared by any leadership at West Virginia- not the president, nor the athletic director. A point he conveniently ignores.

WVU or BIG 12 fan he/she is NOT.

 

[TexasforevEER]

Ole Warez can't wait to date this young lassie. Give me her digits. Make it quick!

 

[skygusty]

Sky gusty has never been a fan of WVU or the BIG 12. He has been tireless in his efforts to bash anyone who dared talk about the BIG 12 making positive improvements, and supported anyone who pushed for the conference to do nothing so its members would be available should other P5s want to expand with B12 schools in the future.
He has bashed every positive development at WVU-- coaches, players, ADs relentlessly, conference moves and the wishes of the president- trying to wreck WVUs programs from the ground up. Bashed facilities improvements as well.

The only thing he supports is silencing anyone that doesn't agree with his myopic views-- which are not shared by any leadership at West Virginia- not the president, nor the athletic director. A point he conveniently ignores.

WVU or BIG 12 fan he/she is NOT.

You must be truly getting desperate to get to the point of just making stuff up. I'll let the board make up their own mind as I've been posting here for about 12 years. You are a fraud and a provocateur and it becomes more obvious with every post you make. The only consistent thread in your posts is anything that points up the grievances of OU and a small portion of their fan base. You delight in calling the BIG12 decision makers stupid and adding fuel to the fire of discord to the Texas versus OU crowd. Here we are with a CCG that has added a 13th data point, additional revenues from that game to the tune of 3 million per school, a 20% increase in overall revenues per school, a clearly expressed feeling of confidence and solidarity from the member schools, and a pledge that they have not ruled out expansion. All great things for WVU and the conference yet you have nothing good to say about any of it. All you see is a future that results in a dissolution of the conference, criticism of the conferences decisions, hidden agendas and pessimism.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Moronic talk from you as usual.

The increase for BIG 12 members isn't an unexpected increase, it falls into BIG 12 projections I have posted myself previously.

The ACCN is not dead. They are still working on one and may announce a network later this summer. Can't wait to see you backtracking from that one.

As for expansion, he BIG 12 has said for years they are looking at expansion.

Boren said just a few weeks back if there is no network there will be no need for expansion. Texas AD said the day before the CCG vote- the only thing UT was for, that he expected they will continue talking a long time - indefinitely- about expansion. So no, despite your brief connection with reality, this is not a revelation. They will continue talking about expansion. I've said so numerous times as have they. They just won't get around to actually expanding because they can only make a much smaller amount of revenue from that and UT doesn't want future realignment affected by the BIG 12 expanding- straight from their ADs mouth. He didn't say future BIG 12 realignment, just future realignment.

The network with expansion was critical to boosting revenues to where the Big Ten and SECs revenues will be going.

Lastly you reference Boren. Interesting you believe what he says when he now says that OU is content, and that there's "no market" for a network, but he was a loud mouthed fool in your eyes who you bashed repeatedly when he stated OU would have to look around if comprehensive improvements weren't made, and that the conference would make $4-$6 million additional from expansion and a network based on consultants reports, and that expansion with available schools was necessary to help secure the conferences future. Which one is it- you are always running your virtual mouth at me- yet you are the one that believes what fits an agenda.

You wanting something to be doesn't make it so, and yes, the desires of OUs fanbase are important to Boren and other leaders- he just referenced who they play being important to fans in any expansion decision as impacting HIS decisions.

Guess you were too busy pretending GORs could easily be broken to hear that?

Wake up.

Are you so stupid you can't grasp the following quote from Boren

"That would be true for the SEC or the Big Ten or anybody else coming up for the first time trying to create a network at this particular time. There's no reason for us to have a quarrel with anybody over whether their network is going to continue or not when there isno possibility for a marketplace for creating a traditional Big 12 Network."

Obviously your pea brain is to small to comprehend.

You keep referring to comments before the BIG12 had the meeting and all the data laid out in front of them. Apparently according to your very own Boren, after seeing ALL the data, that the Market Place is not there to support a network. Again It is the market place stupid.

It is going to cost ESPN at least 125 million to launch the ACCN and roughly 1 million a week to run. ESPN will not spend nor do they need to spend money that type of money for TV rights they already own especially in the light of Disney cost cutting. Further ESPN has told the ACC they need to pay for 1/2 the of start up cost of creating the network during the 1st year. ESPN projecting the earliest ACCN can A profit if ever is 3-4 years down the road. The only way the ACCN gets off the ground is if the ACC is willing to take it in the shorts for 3-4 years, without any guarantee of every being more profitable then the PACN

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Are you so stupid you can't grasp the following quote from Boren

"That would be true for the SEC or the Big Ten or anybody else coming up for the first time trying to create a network at this particular time. There's no reason for us to have a quarrel with anybody over whether their network is going to continue or not when there isno possibility for a marketplace for creating a traditional Big 12 Network."

Obviously your pea brain is to small to comprehend.

You keep referring to comments before the BIG12 had the meeting and all the data laid out in front of them. Apparently according to your very own Boren, after seeing ALL the data, that the Market Place is not there to support a network. Again It is the market place stupid.

It is going to cost ESPN at least 125 million to launch the ACCN and roughly 1 million a week to run. ESPN will not spend nor do they need to spend money that type of money for TV rights they already own especially in the light of Disney cost cutting. Further ESPN has told the ACC they need to pay for 1/2 the of start up cost of creating the network during the 1st year. ESPN projecting the earliest ACCN can A profit if ever is 3-4 years down the road. The only way the ACCN gets off the ground is if the ACC is willing to take it in the shorts for 3-4 years, without any guarantee of every being more profitable then the PACN

P.S. the only way I am wrong about this is if ND joins as a full conference member.