ACC a better fit than Big 12?
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WVU will not receive 40 million this year. The Tier 3 money is somewhere between 7 and 8 million so WVU will earn 38 million. (That is splitting hairs but get it right) And I agree that the SEC is not 9 million ahead of us right now.
Thx for acknowledging that I am a WVian... ...despite the fact that I was born in Baltimore.
If it makes you feel better I think the majority of the state of MD is pure trash.
Free pass...lol....? ...you may not now feel foolish but you certainly look it.
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This is where you attempt to prove that my place of birth proves WV is not my 'home'. ....and then I humiliate you yet again.
To anyone who's interested, this year's SEC payout to each school was $31.2 million per school. 'The total amount of the distribution is composed of revenue generated from the SEC Network, televised football, bowl games, the SEC football championship, televised basketball, the SEC men's basketball tournament, NCAA championships and a supplemental surplus distribution.'
$19 million was retained by the 9 institutions that participated in bowl games last season. However each school in the SEC is responsible for their own bowl expenses, including unpurchased tickets. Link
So where did the $49 million come from? Only a handful could have reached WVU's $40 million.
$19 million was retained by the 9 institutions that participated in bowl games last season. However each school in the SEC is responsible for their own bowl expenses, including unpurchased tickets. Link
So where did the $49 million come from? Only a handful could have reached WVU's $40 million.
No, YOU get it right. I recently provided a link here to Oliver Luck talking about WVU retaining certain advertising rights in the final IMG contract that brought in close to $2 million per year. I used to write, I still edit for a couple of people and I do my research. It adds up to barely over $40 million.
If being completely clueless is relieving then you must feel like you're living in Utopia.
I've been to Utopia several times and I've never seen him. I did see a handful of Rivals forum bumper stickers though.
Well, when there is nothing else to do, rolling on the ground fighting with Orlaco or having a girlish slap fight with Buck is all that is left. Problem is Buck took his Barbies and went home.
When I was 10 I had a neighbor named Jerry. We decided to slap box one summer figuring our mom's would get mad at us if we used our fists. We would box in his basement by slapping each other in the face as hard as we could. The rule was that whoever got the first nosebleed lost. What a bizarre memory. I hadn't thought about that in years.
Some people are blind and some just aren't that intelligent I guess.
I don't need "game", Unlike you I'm not playing, just talking about what is going on.
WVU however has about 7 years to get its game in order.
The $31.2 million is not this year's SEC payout. That was from last year. The figures for this year haven't yet been released.
So you figure two years out from June 30, 2025 at 11:59 should be close enough to settle a GOR that may have a value of $50 million per year by then? I would think eight years would be more plausible but I'm a financial conservative. The local and national meteorologist cannot tell you with impressive accuracy what the weather is going to be like in seven or eight days.
The Big 12 and other conferences will likely get their 'games' in and out of order two or more times in that period. We don't even know for certain what the Big 12 may or may not do over the course of the next year. Right now, WVU is fine financially and conference wise. Isn't that really all we can ask for with certainty? Now if they could just win a few more games it would help in every way.
Well, you mention rights for more than just tv for WVU, let's look at all rights for everything for everyone.
The lowest revenues for 2015 in the SEC ( privates not shown in USA report) would be ole Miss and Miss State- and their rights licensing for everything in 2015 were at $39 and $40 million respectively.
That's ahead of Oklahoma State, WVU, Kansas, Texas Tech, ISU, and KSU for all media rights/ licensing. They are ahead of WVU by $4-$5 million already. Adding a CCG only isn't going to eliminate that gap.
Nearly all the Big Ten and SEC are ahead of the majority of the BIG 12. The PAC has several ahead of the group listed above and really only the ACC is behind in media rights but not by a wide margin.
The Big Ten is going to jump ahead soon- in 2017 by even more. Then again in 2023. The SEC with a network and a second major tie in to the Orange is likely to keep gaining and beyond 2025 they still have an increasing contract through 2034 with ESPN, their network and a new deal with CBS coming.
All other conferences in the P5 are making significantly more as a group than the BIG 12, and the ACC may actually add that network that the BIg 12 ( see OU and UT) are pretending there's no climate or market for.
The BIG 12 has nothing to get a better tv deal in 2025, will probably have declining tv ratings, exposure and less positive press. They are likely going to knock themselves out of several playoffs.
WVU and ISU may be ok with all that but OU and its fans are fed up, and UT is just biding time.
If the conference suddenly decides to try and expand in 2025, the candidates will be nearly 10 years removed from being competitive. Why would they be better then than they are now? What would be different?
No schools will be added because UT doesn't want any added. They don't want a conference network. they just want their options open, but will continue to delude whomever wants to be deluded into thinking something could happen down the road.
The GOR is rock solid. That's not the issue. The issue is- will the Big Ten and PAC 12 be able to offer BIG 12 schools at the time they are negotiating the new BIG 12 contract, that if they switch conferences they'll be in a better situation? All it takes to end the BIG 12 s hopes of a deal is OU saying- "hold on there- we aren't signing with you yet (b12)-- we are taking a look at this offer over here. Result? Big 12 contract talks stalled due to not knowing future membership, and OU, UT and whomever can get out does so clean in 2025.
Right now has NEVER been the issue as Boren told us . ITs the future of the conference that is, was, and will be the issue. The conference settled on placating UT for short term gain, rather than addressing long term needs.
Time is quickly running out on - in fact with UT blocking a BIG 12 network it's pretty much done. There's no other way at this point to boost BIG 12 revenues long term up to where the Big Tens and SEC contracted rates are going.
In 2025 there will still be 90-100 million pay tv subscribers according to the industry. While the BIG 12 falls back financially- possibly to #5, the SEC and Big Ten are going to keep surging forward with their networks and will gradually move them into another form with demand already created long before. The ACC may also have had one for awhile by then.
What we have to look forward to in this conference is lots of bad press, and teams knocking one another from playoff contention while other proactive conferences flourish. They aren't going to sit back and wait on the Big 12 to make a decision, they've already got plans in place and have been working on various fronts for years.
Of course 14 schools are going to make more as a conference, that is just simple math. What matters is how much each member makes and in that regard, the members of the BIg12 come in 3rd. You must also remember that the ACC figures for the last reporting are inflated for the Orange Bowl set up in the playoff...that wont be there in the next two cycles and they will make less over all as a result.
But, even taking into account the artificial payout to the ACC, it is a debate on which conference is in last place as a per member payout; the ACC or the Pac-12. Both are significantly behind the Big-12 and the Big-12 is going to add to its payout per member by at least 3 million with the addition of the CCG in 17 months.
OK, let's go with the B1G. 2016 - $32.4 million to each of its longest-standing 11 members. A number that according to this USA Today article "puts them roughly on par with amounts the Southeastern Conference distributed to each of its 14 member schools from conference revenue that totaled $527.4 million." (That's $37.7 million per school) With retained rights, several of the SEC and even a couple of the B1G schools surely exceeded WVU's total payout. "The Pac-12 Conference released its new tax records, which showed $439 million in total revenue and per-school shares of about $25.1 million." I stand corrected, but no one has left the ballpark so far.
No GoR is rock solid. All a GoR does is raise the cost and messiness of an exit - absolutely nothing more. The ACC copied the Big-12 GoR and NO ONE not in the administration of either conference's members have seen the actual text of those GoRs in spite of the many "experts" that have proclaimed such. many of us have tried to get them and have all been given the run around.
The GoR is a hurdle nothing more.
You've still got it wrong. The $32.4 million you quoted for the Big Ten was also from last year. Here's a quote from the article you linked:
The conference had $448.8 million in total revenue during a fiscal year ending June 30, 2015
Last year was fiscal year 2015. This year is fiscal year 2016
It's hard for some to understand, but BIg 12 numbers are skewed heavily by UT and OU ( as the ACCs are by FSU). The PAC 12s numbers are in the same vicinity for media rights totals. That conference makes more, but can't pay out more per member unless they get the state of Texas involved. The Big Ten isn't goi g to let their partner conference in the Rose Bowl go down without a fight. Therefore they have their next contract coming up just as the Big 12 will have to negotiate and right alongside the Pacs next deal. They are going to make a play guaranteed. You would have to be blind to not see this coming.
It was not reported anywhere that Texas stopped a possibly ill advised Big 12 Network. I read that market conditions were the reason. With changing technology and the retention of third tier rights, that may be a much better financial deal for the member schools anyway. The PAC and ACC are already falling substantially behind. If IMG or someone else can start offering pay per view or HD streaming video of games outside tiers one and two they may strike a gold mine.
It works for WWE as well UFC, why not WVU? I would gladly pay for several WVU only athletic events on an ala carte basis. But I'm not paying Dish for a bunch of college games I don't want.
It works for WWE as well UFC, why not WVU? I would gladly pay for several WVU only athletic events on an ala carte basis. But I'm not paying Dish for a bunch of college games I don't want.
You may have noticed multiple conferences are employing grants of rights and no school is challenging one.
They are rock solid. No one is getting out of one, or even going to try to.
Some people want to dupe others into taking no action until "the ACC falls apart", lol- I get it. But it isn't going to happen and anyone hedging the future of their school in the BIG 12 on that is doomed to failure long before any ACC schools will actually be available- in the year 2027- TWO YEARS after the BIG 12s contract, and grant of rights, is done.
Look at the date of the article. You are creating future problems in your mind that simply do not exist at this time. I'm done for the night. I refuse to argue about what is likely to or surely will happen 8 or 9 years from now. When men plan, God laughs.
Of course it wasn't reported anywhere- except for the day before when UTs AD basically said himself that UT didn't see letting go of the LHN, having a conference network, expanding, or doing anything but talking endlessly and having a 10 team CCG- and VOILA!
You read market conditions stopped the BIG 12, yet "market conditions" haven't stopped the ACC?
Think about it for a minute.
The BIG 12 can't have a network without UT, and UT isn't giving up theirs- except to switch conferences , straight from a UT "source".
Other conferences have planned and taken action and continue to do so. The BIG 12 talks and talks more, and can't come to any consensus except in making mistakes, which they do over and over again.
3 strikes and you are out.
You might want to go back and read the latest news concerning the details of expansion. IN addition to gaining roughly 250 million per addition to the Big12, any such addition is going to involve a renegotiation (more money) as well as a contract extension to extend past the ACC term.
You don't have to be a fan and you don't have to partake in these discussions if they bother you so much. We already have enough instate sport writers shoveling sacks of made up crap and calling it news on WVU. Do we needs fan doing that as well?
I am a fan of WVUand I don't make things up- that is your modus operandi.
Only reason I even care. But I don't need to explain myself, you are the one pushing for the conference not to do what's in its best interest as a group to hold out for fantasies, not me.
Post a link to this news. The Big 12 isn't going to expand and no news articles are saying they are going to, just the UT line that it's still under consideration, or the fantasy line that it should be with unavailable P5 schools only.
Michael, I tried pointing to Buck that Boren said "that market conditions were the reason" Apparently it only confused him since he went back to the archives and requoted a comment Boren made 3 -5 months ago and before all the researched was released, about BIG12 needing a network.
Big 12! $37m payout and better cultural fit and love the schedules. Let's enjoy the ride.
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