to MountaineerWV re: Dr. King

[atlkvb]

Boom the answer to the question IS the argument my friend! You in this response admitted without some moral context (Socialism or otherwise) it is not feasible to argue immoraility.

OK. I'm arguing Dr.King's morality was Christian even using a Socialist solution. So does his solution mean his morality was irrelevant? In other words, was Socialism without that moral component valid?

You and MWV are indeed arguing it is still valid and so all I'm asking is what was that based on? What was the Socialist moral component Dr. King used to validate his solution of Socialism to address the immoraility of racism?

I did that boomer to highlight the very reasons Dr. King saw racsim as immoral. I asked was it strictly economically immoral as he saw it or was the immoraility of racism based on some other standard? If so what was that?

Why the name calling, insistence on me being pompous or arrogant? I'm simply asking you or MWV to explain your positions.

 

[atlkvb]

You’re literally saying that a socialist ideology that is founded in Christian morality is not really socialist (like me and MWV say it is). It’s somehow different than someone like Bernie Sanders’ ideology?

Yes! Because Bernie doesn't recognize a moral authority above the State. Does he?

Dr. King did.

 

[Boomboom521]

OK let me try ot this way. What is moral about income redistribution especially abd particularly as it pertains to addressing the evil of racism?

What makes that Socialist answer to the immorality of Racism moral?

The answer to that question depends on a person’s moral view of the history of wealth accumulation in this nation, and their view of our economic system.

What is (in your obviously superior opinion) THE socialist answer to the immorality of Racism?

 

[atlkvb]

You’re literally saying that a socialist ideology that is founded in Christian morality is not really socialist (like me and MWV say it is). It’s somehow different than someone like Bernie Sanders’ ideology? Yet if Bernie and MLK were to agree that say government should pay tutition for higher education and pay for it by raising taxes on the wealthiest 10% of the nation for example, MLK’s ideology is not identical to Bernie’s because of the source of his morality versus Bernie’s?

No. I'm asking on what basis would they make that argument and what would make it correct vs say someone paying on their own without their incomes being subjected to confiscatory taxation?

What makes mandatory income redistribution moral?

 

[Boomboom521]

I did that boomer to highlight the very reasons Dr. King saw racsim as immoral. I asked was it strictly economically immoral as he saw it or was the immoraility of racism based kb some other standard? If so what was that?

Why the name calling, insistence on me being pompous or arrogant? I'm simply asking you or MWV to explain your positions.

Chubbs chubbs chubbs....my position? Is (and always has been since the beginning of this discussion on MLK’s birthday) is that MLK was open to socialist solutions to economic issues in the nation. That it doesn’t make him any less of an American, any less of a Christian, and less of an intelligent thinker. EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE SPEWED FOR THE LAST WEEK....is just your sad ego driven desire to be “right” all the time. That’s it. Simple.

 

[atlkvb]

You’re literally saying that a socialist ideology that is founded in Christian morality is not really socialist (like me and MWV say it is). It’s somehow different than someone like Bernie Sanders’ ideology? Yet if Bernie and MLK were to agree that say government should pay tutition for higher education and pay for it by raising taxes on the wealthiest 10% of the nation for example, MLK’s ideology is not identical to Bernie’s because of the source of his morality versus Bernie’s?

I'm saying a Socialist morality cannot exist equally with one that's Christian in principle. Socialists see the State as supreme. Christians do not...Almighty God is.

What Socialist model boom promotes Biblical authority? Education? Environmental activism? State control over private enterprise? What?

 

[Boomboom521]

No. Im asking on what basis would they make that argument abd what would make it correct vs say someone paying on their own lr without their incomes being subjected to confiscatory taxation?

What makes mandatory income redistribution moral?

And I sai: THAT DEPENDS ON ONES MORAL VIEW OF OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM, ITS HISTORY OF WEALTH CREATION IN THE NATION. If one sees the accumulation of wealth in this nation as being done through exploitation (for example) than they would be more likely to allow for redistribution based on a moral idea of justice.

 

[atlkvb]

Chubbs chubbs chubbs....my position? Is (and always has been since the beginning of this discussion on MLK’s birthday) is that MLK was open to socialist solutions to economic issues in the nation. That it doesn’t make him any less of an American, any less of a Christian, and less of an intelligent thinker. EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE SPEWED FOR THE LAST WEEK....is just your sad ego driven desire to be “right” all the time. That’s it. Simple.

And you STILL boom have not answerd my simple concept question. Was Dr. King's solutions to the immorality of racism primarily economic or moral and what made either so?

 

[MountaineerWV]

So, if MLK's morals drove him to look at equality using socialism, then was it his morals that drove him to have wild orgies with prostitutes in Miami?

 

[Boomboom521]

I'm saying a Socialist morality cannot exist equally with one that Christian in principle. Socialists see the State as supreme. Christians do not...Almighty God is.

What Socialist model boom promotes Biblical authority? Education? Environmental activism? State control over private enterprise? What?

There the sad man goes again. Calling Martin Lither King a fake Christian. Tisk, tisk, tisk.

 

[Boomboom521]

And you STILL boom have not answerd my simple concept question. Was Dr. King's solutions to the immorality of racism primarily economic or moral and what made either so?

That question makes no sense.

 

[atlkvb]

And I sai: THAT DEPENDS ON ONES MORAL VIEW OF OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM, ITS HISTORY OF WEALTH CREATION IN THE NATION. If one sees the accumulation of wealth in this nation as being done through exploitation (for example) than they would be more likely to allow for redistribution based on a moral idea of justice.

Capitalism is based on wealth creation and accumulation boom. Why is that immoral and redistributing it through confiscatory taxation moral?

 

[atlkvb]

There the sad man goes again. Calling Martin Lither King a fake Christian. Tisk, tisk, tisk.

I called the Great Dr King no such thing I have argued for his Christianity and that is not an answer to my simple concept question to you

 

[atlkvb]

That question makes no sense.

Neither does your answer.

 

[Boomboom521]

Capitalism is based on wealth creation and accumulation boom. Why is that immoral and redistributing it through confiscatory taxation moral?

Obviously MLK thought it so, no?

 

[atlkvb]

The answer to that question depends on a person’s moral view of the history of wealth accumulation in this nation, and their view of our economic system.

What is (in your obviously superior opinion) THE socialist answer to the immorality of Racism?

Honestly I don't see one boom since Socialists by definition subjugate.
Divisions along classes and race are what they use to do that.

If it is possible for a Christian to also have a Socialist view what takes precedence?

 

[atlkvb]

Obviously MLK thought it so, no?

I'd argue no because he saw Godly righteousness as the correct position regardless of Capitalism or Socialism being the vehicle.

 

[atlkvb]

So, if MLK's morals drove him to look at equality using socialism, then was it his morals that drove him to have wild orgies with prostitutes in Miami?

MWV you are correct in your judgementalism to call out Dr. King's Sin. Does any Christian NOT Sin? If so should they then remain invalid to call out any other Sin? If that is so, what are you doing calling out Dr. King's?

 

[atlkvb]

So, if MLK's morals drove him to look at equality using socialism, then was it his morals that drove him to have wild orgies with prostitutes in Miami?

Socialism in its purest form is not moral. It is also not equal because it calls for wealth to be redistributed. Which is quite silly on the face of it because you need weath created in order to distribute it! If Socialism is fair why is there always a wealthy ruling class or Family of Dictators running it? Why aren't they redistributing their own wealth to the poor instead of hoarding it for the ruling elites?

 

[Boomboom521]

Honestly I don't see one boom since Socialists by definition subjugate.
Divisions along classes and race are what they use to do that.

If it is possible for a Christian to also have a Socialist view what takes precedence?

Ask MLK

 

[Boomboom521]

I'd argue no because he saw Godly righteousness as the correct position regardless of Capitalism or Socialism being the vehicle.

Nonsense

 

[MountaineerWV]

Your argument would be much better if you had said "Dr. King's sin led him to socialism"........by using morals, you open up a can of worms by picking and choosing what his morals drove him to do, and not do, and what sin he committed was because we are all sinners, but that socialism wasn't out of his morals........dang, now I'm confused.......just give it a break, will you? You obviously have a hard-on for this because you cannot understand that Christians can also be socialists........

 

[atlkvb]

Ask MLK

His views were Christian and always took precedence which is what I've argued with you and MWV to very little success. When there was a basis to his calls for morailty, his foundation for doing so was Christian.

 

[Boomboom521]

MWV you are correct in your judgementalism to call out Dr. King's Sin. Does any Christian NOT Sin? If so should they then remain invalid to call out any other Sin? If that is so, what are you doing calling out Dr. King's?

His point is that you call him a fake Christian because he doesn’t meet your Christian standards, yet a man that dishonors his wife and family doesn’t have his Christianity questioned by your holiness

 

[atlkvb]

Your argument would be much better if you had said "Dr. King's sin led him to socialism"........by using morals, you open up a can of worms by picking and choosing what his morals drove him to do, and not do, and what sin he committed was because we are all sinners, but that socialism wasn't out of his morals........dang, now I'm confused.......just give it a break, will you? You obviously have a hard-on for this because you cannot understand that Christians can also be socialists........

Can Socialists be Christian?

Know any?

Bernie Sanders? Idi Amin Dada? Kim Jong Il? How about it's founder Karl Marx?

You say Dr. King? He was Christian. You yourself said you never claimed he was Socialist.

 

[Boomboom521]

His views were Christian and always took precedence which is what I've argued with you and MWV to very little success. When there was a basis to his calls for morailty, his foundation for doing so was Christian.

This post just illuminates your absolute foolishness. Staggering!

Now, you’re saying that this “foundation” thus makes that call less socialist in nature?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Can Socialists be Christian?

Know any?

Bernie Sanders? Idi Amin Dada? Kim Jong Il? How about it's founder Karl Marx?

You say Dr. King? He was Christian. You yourself said you never claimed he was Socialist.

Religioussocialism.org

 

[atlkvb]

His point is that you call him a fake Christian because he doesn’t meet your Christian standards, yet a man that dishonors his wife and family doesn’t have his Christianity questioned by your holiness

I don't know what MWV believes boomer any more than I know what you do?

He says he's Christian OK. He says Christians shouldn't judge other Christians. What is he doing then? Being Christian?

Fine, then we're even because I judge him also to be quite insincere in his professions of fidelity to Christ.

 

[MountaineerWV]

His point is that you call him a fake Christian because he doesn’t meet your Christian standards, yet a man that dishonors his wife and family doesn’t have his Christianity questioned by your holiness

Yeah, it's because we are "sinners".........and that justifies Dr. King's adultery......but his morals excuses his socialist views.......get it now?

 

[atlkvb]

Religioussocialism.org

Christians who are Socialists worship the State above Almighty God? Socialists who are Christian worship Almighty God above the State? If this is possible examples please?

 

[MountaineerWV]

I don't know what MWV believes boomer any more than I know what you do?

He says he's Christian OK. He says Christians shouldn't judge other Christians. What is he doing then? Being Christian?

Fine, then we're even because I judge him also to be quite insincere in his professions of fidelity to Christ.

You say it's one's job as a Christian to call out other Christians for not acting Christian-like (did I say the word "Christian" enough for you)?????

 

[Boomboom521]

Can Socialists be Christian?

Know any?

Bernie Sanders? Idi Amin Dada? Kim Jong Il? How about it's founder Karl Marx?

You say Dr. King? He was Christian. You yourself said you never claimed he was Socialist.

Pope Francis

 

[Boomboom521]

Christians who are Socialists worship the State above Almighty God? Socialists who are Christian worship Almighty God above the State?

Examples please?

Only in your twisted mind there chubbs

 

[MountaineerWV]

Christians who are Socialists worship the State above Almighty God? Socialists who are Christian worship Almighty God above the State?

Examples please?

Dr. King = Christian-Socialist

 

[atlkvb]

Pope Francis

He's Catholic. What State does he Worship above being the Vicar of Christ?

 

[atlkvb]

Dr. King = Christian-Socialist

It's like watching a Dog chase his tail. What a small minority Dr. King led.

 

[MountaineerWV]

It's like watching a Dog chase his tail. What a small minority Dr. King led.

Nope.....it's called "FACTS".......you hate them because they go against your absolutism way of thinking......

 

[atlkvb]

Five pages and no answers to my questions. Lots of subterfuge...but no hard answers.

Oh well.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You've had answers, just not ones that you will accept because they prove you wrong.......face it, even your conservative buddies don't agree with you on this......just let it go

 

[atlkvb]

Nope.....it's called "FACTS".......you hate them because they go against your absolutism way of thinking......

So is Socialism absolutist as a moral remedy to Capitalism addressing institutional racism?

Why is that so since you seem convinced of it's superiority to either Capitalism or Christianity?

Is that relative too?