Atl makes a great point. Trump was so bad that he got the most votes of any GOP or incumbent president ever against all odds. It a tough argument to retort
And magadons think they'll take up Trump's cases
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Ooooooh. That's where you misinterpret.
He's already sealed his fate. We haven't sealed ours yet, but we're definitely just about there.
Not only that point Dave, but they're so sure he's going to open his mouth and lose again that they're going through extraordinary lengths trying to make sure no one ever gets to hear him!
Unreal.
He does bring out every vote, across the board. Unfortunately, the negatives completely outweigh the positives.
But he didn't do that in 2016. Just in 2020. In 2016 he needed Russian troll farms and apparently their votes or so we were told.
It's a tough hill you are climbing.
He is the only Republican who has a chance. Anyone who is being honest understands that. Those that say otherwise are rooting for Biden or Newsome.
So let us vote and let's just see how many of us cause his defeat? Why the unprecedented effort to make sure we don't even get to vote for him? Seems to me they'd be encouraging as many of us to come out and vote for his defeat as they can find? Instead they don't even want him running because they're certain he'll lose? 🙄
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Our fate was sealed when cowards like you abandoned Trump and retreated back to "principled conservatism". You abandoned all the lessons about cucks and RINOs and crawled back into bed with the swamp.
Polls and boots, the only things Trumpers can talk about.
Let's tear this apart step by step, shall we?
He's not a Republican. He's a populist
Not looking at polls, what has he done differently or is different now for 2024 that will change the results from 2020?
Back to the former question. If he couldn't win 2020, what's changed to make 2024 a winning formula, other than he's older, more bitter, and convincing more and more fencesitters to stay home?
No, just very smart, very sane, and with one account on this hellsite.
Is that why the Left is Hell bent on making sure we don't get a chance to vote for who we want? We're so loco we can't figure out for ourselves who to vote for, so we need the Left to restrict our choices?
Yep.
Trump, for all of his faults fought for a capitalistic America and has been condemned by the left and marxists for doing it. They have shown they will stop at nothing to insure he is not successful and instead of trying to aid that cause and help that fight they have decided to kick Trump while he is down and give the very people who want to stop his cause a huge helping hand.
He is winning the Republican nomination by alot. So much so you have to root for lawfare by the Democrats and Garland. That's pretty pathetic and definitely shows you are rooting against any Republican. Kennedy and Manchin are probably your real favorites. The Democrats are not going to let them win. So basically you are working for Biden, Harris, or Newsome even if you don't want to admit it.
The swamp?
Ya'll are definitely crazy.
You are not voting for DeSantis. So no real reason to post his accomplishments.
Trump can't fix the problems that cost him the 2020 election. At some point the voters have to fix elections in their own state.
Correct...and who do you suppose stands in near 100% opposition to almost every effort designed to clean up the mess of the 2020 election? The same folks who want to make sure we don't get to hear Trump open his mouth and seal his election loss again.
Noone has cast the first ballot in any 2024 presidential race, but he's winning... That's not how this works.
You're starting to get crazy again.
You're getting crazier Laura.
Damn Laura, chill on the meth.
Someone lock him up. Please?
Rather than placing blame elsewhere because Trump isn't blameless, can you accept this one Trump fact? Trump helped cause 2020, and now it's law.
CARES Act Just a First Step in Preparing for November Elections | Bipartisan Policy Center
This week, House and Senate leaders struck a deal on the most expansive economic package in US history. The $2 trillion bill will provide…
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So how is he going to do something different in 2024?
That whole argument kinda sums up my point here. That had very little to do with what happened in the 2020 election and Trump had no choice but to sign it anyway. Just ignore reality and hammer away at one meaningless narrative. That is just bad debate.Rather than placing blame elsewhere because Trump isn't blameless, can you accept this one Trump fact? Trump helped cause 2020, and now it's law.
CARES Act Just a First Step in Preparing for November Elections | Bipartisan Policy Center
This week, House and Senate leaders struck a deal on the most expansive economic package in US history. The $2 trillion bill will provide…
So how is he going to do something different in 2024?
Definitely struck a nerve. Not sure why you keep mentioning Laura Loomer. She's not running for President nor would I vote for her.
Meanwhile back here on planet earth you admitted you are rooting for lawfare being conducted by the Democrats. Just admit you would rather have Gavin Newsome over Trump. I could at least respect you being honest.
It funded mail-in ballotting across the country, it took the place of Zuckerberg from 2016. All of the ballot harvesting ops, legal and not, relied on mail in voting. How did it not impact 2020?
Just admit you'd rather have Biden or Newsom rather than a conservative that actually gets things accomplished, rather than tweeting about them.
Just ignore the obvious, ignore the context and ignore reality and it all makes perfect sense.
So what would have changed had he instead not signed that bill when he did.
Let me know when one wins the nomination without election interference by the Democrats. Then we can discuss if I will support them.
The context -> Trump had allowed his CDC to recommend to all states to shut down the country. He even announced the 15 day shutdown, then extending it to 30. He didn't announce they were extending beyond 30. They were worried the economy would collapse, so they spent 3 trillion dollars including mail in ballot funding, helping to bring on the wave of inflation we endured until the last few months.
Does that about sum it up?
Look at you trying to rewrite history again. Instead of bitching about Trump you probably should be preparing for the next CCP virus to be released. No doubt they will be even more upset if Trump wins again Instead of Biden or Newsome. More upset than you. So the next one will probably have a higher death rate.
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See my previous post. You just doubled down on exactly what I said as I knew you would. Because you are not interested in reality. You are just a blathering campaign commercial. Pretty sad.
BTW you didn't answer the question.
The economy indeed would've crashed. His mistake was ceding the last year of his presidency to Fauci.
It doesn't matter to me what his party affiliation Trump claims, I simply want a president who keeps our borders secure and has the balls to stand up to the communist/liberal nations of the world. Enough of this falling off of stages and spending 6 weeks a month on a beach in Delaware...
Probably not. Nevermind he didn't cede anything to Fauci. The bill would have passed anyway and nothing would have changed there except Trump would have been accused to trying to starve every baby and kill everyone who has ever caught a cold. It's easy to drive from the back seat when you just have a single issue to push and being honest isn't important. Trump signing or not signing that bill was irrelevant because it passes with or without him.
That is the problem with electing a non political salesman into high office. You have to pick your advisors from an unethical/dishonest base of politicians..
Don't know if you saw it, but sometime last week there was a report released on the overall impact of the shutdowns. The basic takeaway from the report said the shutdowns were not only unnecessary, but had no impact (ZERO) on preventing the spread of the virus or reducing the rate of infections. It was a total and complete waste of time yet cost the economy billions. It was devastating. I'll see if I can link it later.
Here it is @dave ....there were additional studies I came across while searching for this one that essentially concluded the same thing, but this is the one I heard being discussed on a podcast last week.
Covid lockdowns...were a giant experiment...and a failure
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In the U.S. and the U.K. especially, lockdowns went from being regarded as something that only an authoritarian government would attempt to an example of “following the science.” But there was never any science behind lockdowns — not a single study had ever been undertaken to measure their efficacy in stopping a pandemic. When you got right down to it, lockdowns were little more than a giant experiment. There were other questions, though, that were at least as relevant. Could the kinds of lockdowns that are achievable in the real world, where hundreds of millions of people can’t live in isolation chambers, be an effective tool against a pandemic? Did the virus truly go away during a lockdown or simply hide, waiting to reemerge when it ended? And finally, did the many social, economic, and medical downsides make them, in the aggregate, not worth whatever short-term benefits they might yield?
...more
As the United States gains more and more distance from the COVID pandemic, the perspective on what worked, and what did not, becomes not only more clear, but more stark. Operation Warp Speed stands out as a remarkable policy success. And once the vaccines became available, most states did a good job of quickly getting them to the most vulnerable, especially elderly nursing-home residents.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of policy failures of which to take stock. We do an accounting of many of them in our new book, The Big Fail. But one that looms as large as any, and remains in need of a full reckoning in the public conversation, is the decision to embrace lockdowns. it’s time to be clear about the fact that lockdowns for any purpose other than keeping hospitals from being overrun in the short-term were a mistake that should not be repeated. While this is not a definitive accounting of how the damage from lockdowns outweighed the benefits, it is at least an attempt to nudge that conversation forward
This is an excellent read. More proof of what a giant scam the whole Covid charade was. 😏
Covid lockdowns...were a giant experiment...and a failure
excerpt:
In the U.S. and the U.K. especially, lockdowns went from being regarded as something that only an authoritarian government would attempt to an example of “following the science.” But there was never any science behind lockdowns — not a single study had ever been undertaken to measure their efficacy in stopping a pandemic. When you got right down to it, lockdowns were little more than a giant experiment. There were other questions, though, that were at least as relevant. Could the kinds of lockdowns that are achievable in the real world, where hundreds of millions of people can’t live in isolation chambers, be an effective tool against a pandemic? Did the virus truly go away during a lockdown or simply hide, waiting to reemerge when it ended? And finally, did the many social, economic, and medical downsides make them, in the aggregate, not worth whatever short-term benefits they might yield?
...more
As the United States gains more and more distance from the COVID pandemic, the perspective on what worked, and what did not, becomes not only more clear, but more stark. Operation Warp Speed stands out as a remarkable policy success. And once the vaccines became available, most states did a good job of quickly getting them to the most vulnerable, especially elderly nursing-home residents.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of policy failures of which to take stock. We do an accounting of many of them in our new book, The Big Fail. But one that looms as large as any, and remains in need of a full reckoning in the public conversation, is the decision to embrace lockdowns. it’s time to be clear about the fact that lockdowns for any purpose other than keeping hospitals from being overrun in the short-term were a mistake that should not be repeated. While this is not a definitive accounting of how the damage from lockdowns outweighed the benefits, it is at least an attempt to nudge that conversation forward
This is an excellent read. More proof of what a giant scam the whole Covid charade was. 😏
It was obvious all along. Trump did the right thing with the first 15 days. After that fear porn just took over and nothing drives emotions more than my parents and my kids gonna die.
Yep. I forget...who was it that told people to go back to work and open up the country in May of 2020?
Expecting Trump not to make bad decisions with false and corrupt information coming from the CDC and those around him is just foolish. Yes Desantis made some good decisions during covid but it was after more truthful info come out . Trump's decisions during the start was very understandable. All he had was the cdc and Fauci....and we all see how Fauci lied .
