Trump IS NOT aligning with Russia and North Korea...Please stop lying and stirring up bullshit.
Zelenskyy leaves White House after Ukraine talks collapse
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US votes against UN resolution condemning Russia for Ukraine war
The U.S. voted against a resolution condemning Russia as the aggressor in the war in Ukraine that passed the United Nations General Assembly on Monday, marking three years since Russia’s launched its full-scale invasion of the country.
Among the 17 countries that joined the U.S. in opposition to the nonbinding measure were Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Israel and Hungary, whose Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is a close ally to President Trump. China abstained, along with 64 other countries.
Here are a couple fact's...
Russia invaded the Ukraine under Obama's watch..Obama did NOT stop Russia.
Russia invaded the Ukraine AGAIN under Biden's watch...Biden did NOT stop Russia.
Also both Obama and Biden would NOT support Ukraine's bid to join NATO
Do you now say Obama and Biden aligned with Russia ?
No. Trump shuns our allies and embraces autocrats in a departure from former U.S. presidents.
The evidence and FACTS do NOT support your claim's.
Please tell us why that Obama and Biden did not force Putin out of the Ukraine.
What's wrong with you? why would they start a hot war with Russia? Trump wants nothing to do with it either but he's being Russia's ally in war's end. Russia was an adversary of the U.S. when they were POTUSs but not now and Trump is Putin's bitch. Trump has embarrassed America with his support of Putin to include the insane UN voting.
Trump is for saving lives and not forcing war for the purpose laundering money and buying drugs like Biden crew has done.
Your ignorance has blinded you to the facts.
Trump is NOT being Russia's ally...He does NOT want more people dead.
He IS trying to get a ceasefire deal...and then work to get the two sides to come to a war ending deal.
Obama and Biden NEVER tried to do the same.
Barack Obama on Mitt Romney saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat: The 1980's are calling and wanting their foreign policy back.
Obama was clearly aligned with Russia and allowed them to get stronger. Obama was a puppet of Putin
Obama was clearly aligned with Russia and allowed them to get stronger. Obama was a puppet of Putin
Trump supports Putin (UN vote, said Ukraine started war) and attacks Zelensky at every turn, call it what you want. Trump can't wait to meet Putin in Russia. He's like a smitten schoolgirl, again. Trump just wants a peace prize and to take Ukraine's resources and doesn't care if the deal is fair or the peace lasting.
Talk about supporting "autocrats". And I can give many more examples...this is a very small sample.
Mar 11, 2015; The Cuba initiative won Mr. Obama resounding praise in Latin America — even from Mr. Maduro
November 26, 2022 : The U.S. oil giant Chevron received permission to expand production in Venezuela despite the heavy Trump U.S. sanctions on the Maduro regime.
That move by the Biden administration reversed the sanctions the Trump administration had imposed, and the stated goal was to help bring change to Venezuela.
March 22, 2016 : Obama sits with Castro, gets standing ovation at baseball game.
March 2016 : Obama said in a speech at the Grand Theater of Havana: “The United States has neither the capacity nor the intention to impose change on Cuba . . . We will not impose our political or economic system on you. We recognize that every country, every people must chart its own course and shape its own model,” he said.
Sep 4, 2016HANGZHOU, China — President Obama sought on Sunday to heal a rift with Turkey, expressing his wholehearted support for its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan
December 07, 2009: PRESIDENT OBAMA: "I want to extend the warmest of welcomes to Prime Minister Erdogan. I'm glad that I, personally, and the American people have a chance to reciprocate the wonderful hospitality that was extended to me when I visited Turkey
As I said when I had the great honor of addressing the Turkish Parliament in Ankara".
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Good list, and you forgot to mention how creepy Joe Biden granted the Mullahs in Iran access to all that cash Trump had cut off from them in U.S. banks, as well as giving the green light to the Taliban to take over in Afghanistan after our unwarranted and precipitous withdrawal!
Doesn't matter @moe won't respond to any of those facts you just posted. The media narrative is what he's been "programmed" to repeat on this forum, so when you post facts showing him to be either highly uninformed or hopelessly brainwashed he just "ignores" it.
@moe
Maybe we just prefer thinking on our own @moe , and letting the facts help us make up our minds?
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No need for you to admit to that anyway @moe , we can read your idiotic media cut & paste posts for ourselves too 'ya know?
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Here is another good example of supporting a "autocrat".
July 7, 20091:11 PM EDT
NOVO OGARYOVO, Russia (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama praised Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's achievements Tuesday, attempting to mend fences with Russia's powerful politician after criticizing him for Cold War thinking.
Obama went out of his way on the second day of his visit to compliment Putin, a former KGB spy who is the dominant partner in a power "tandem" with current President Dmitry Medvedev.
"I am aware of not only the extraordinary work that you've done on behalf of the Russian people in your previous role as prime minis-, uh, as president, but in your current role as prime minister," Obama said at the start of talks.
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U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer says his country is ready to put "boots on the ground" to support peace deal in Ukraine
During a meeting with U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer, President Trump accepted an invitation from Britain's King Charles to visit that country.
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It’s so funny watching you respond from a purely emotional yet irrational and uneducated viewpoint. Let’s break this down for you in a really small direct way to understand
Ukraine wants to be in NATO. Democrats and NATO members want Ukraine in NATO.
Putin and Russia do not want NATO on their doorstep
Putin invaded Ukraine because of NATO and wanting access back to a certain area of Ukraine
Zelensky and Ukraine want additional security from the US in exchange for minerals. That additional security is to join NATO.
The original deal was Zelensky agreed to give the US the access to 50% minerals as repayment to the hundreds of billions we already gave them. He reneged on the deal in the Oval Office.
By Ukraine joining NATO, all of NATO countries would then be bound to apply military force and backing to Ukraine against Russia. This would start WW3. As TRUMP indicated by telling Zelensky “you’re gambling with WW3”.
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Ric Grenell, the Trump administration's special presidential envoy for special missions, slammed Obama and Biden-era diplomat Susan Rice for the Democratic Party's years of foreign policies that he said landed the U.S. in two different wars under the Biden administration alone.
"Your guy couldn’t even talk to Putin. For 3.5 years! Your policies helped usher in a war in Ukraine, Gaza…and Rwanda if you remember," Grenell posted to X on Saturday afternoon.
"And then you lied about Libya - it wasn’t caused by a video," he continued, referring to claims in 2012 that an anti-Islam video led to the Benghazi terror attack on U.S. government facilities in the Libyan city. "You made that up…. Donald Trump handed you peace in the Middle East and Europe - you handed us two wars. We see you," he added.
"Your guy couldn’t even talk to Putin. For 3.5 years! Your policies helped usher in a war in Ukraine, Gaza…and Rwanda if you remember," Grenell posted to X on Saturday afternoon.
"And then you lied about Libya - it wasn’t caused by a video," he continued, referring to claims in 2012 that an anti-Islam video led to the Benghazi terror attack on U.S. government facilities in the Libyan city. "You made that up…. Donald Trump handed you peace in the Middle East and Europe - you handed us two wars. We see you," he added.
You can always tell when @moe is exposed and obviously embarrassed. After facts are posted proving his consistent error he'll typically reply "cool story". Or rather than respond with a fact based counter, he'll just post an emoticon like this 🤣or as in the last few fact based posts in this thread proving his ill informed commentary is dead wrong, he simply STOPS POSTING and fades into silent obscurity.
Go back... you can read any thread where @moe is posting his media-fed Left wing drivel, then when other posters correct his errors with HARD COLD FACTS, count on one of the 3 above mentioned responses
Translation:
@moe
I have nothing more to say, and anything else I could say will only exacerbate the undiluted mindless stupidity I've already demonstrated.
Well @moe silence is golden, but you could also just post three simple words to clean up your thoroughly discredited TDS rants.
@moe
Oh yeah, and just what would those 3 words be atl do tell?
"I was wrong"
@moe
smartass Trumper. 😏
Go back... you can read any thread where @moe is posting his media-fed Left wing drivel, then when other posters correct his errors with HARD COLD FACTS, count on one of the 3 above mentioned responses
Translation:
@moe
Well @moe silence is golden, but you could also just post three simple words to clean up your thoroughly discredited TDS rants.
@moe
"I was wrong"
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@moe ...@moe...@moe.... Trump offered that sawed off Bolshevik Zelensky the best deal he's ever going to get! Either from Europe under NATO, and certainly not under RUSSIAN OCCUPATION!
The agreement he could have signed with DJT would have made the US an equal partner economically, helping to rebuild his decimated country. Our economic partnership with him would automatically guarantee US protection as our strategic ally without NATO membership which would likely trigger a global conflict with Russia if they were to ever invade again. In addition, US investments in their mineral rights would help both countries and strategically eliminate Russian influence not only in Ukraine, but throughout Europe! He would have access to US capital as well as US military equipment that he could actually pay for instead of bankrupting both America and his pitiful wasteland of a country fighting a war he simply cannot win against Russia.
Here...it's very well explained by non other than Mark Levin in his commentary on the whole Trump/Zelinsky dust up.
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“On Life, Liberty & Levin last Saturday, as well as radio and the Blaze, I explained how the minerals deal President Trump was proposing would be a huge benefit to both our country and Ukraine. For us, of course, it would result in hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of badly needed rare earth minerals and metals mined and developed by our country in Ukraine (Ukraine has not developed them significantly for several reasons). American businesses and employees would locate in Ukraine. And Ukraine would benefit with billions if not trillions in investment and revenue resulting from a deal with the United States. Furthermore, with such a crucial and significant American presence in Ukraine, the likelihood of Russia invading Ukraine again was very, very unlikely, thereby making Ukraine’s membership in NATO unnecessary.
Mark Levin Addressing Zelesky-Trump Conflict
Zelinsky got bad advice from Trump dazed Democrats, telling him to reject the deal only because they're anxious to sabotage Trump's efforts to end the Russian invasion and bring peace to the Crimean peninsula. They know creepy Joe couldn't find an end to the war, he just got us deeper into it & on the edge of World War 3! Trump is trying to be a peacemaker, recoup some of the money we've wasted on this senseless War which neither side can win, and end the bloodshed which has killed thousands and thousands of both Ukrainians and Russians.
It's no wonder Democrats favor more war, more death, more destruction, more debt, and more devastation. They like to kill innocent babies, so what's a few thousand more dead Russians and Ukrainian boys to them? 😏
@moe
Gee @moe , you're calling Trump a war mongering Dictator, but it looks like you and your loser party have beat him to it over your desperate attempts to sabotage his peace efforts for Ukraine and continue that expensive, senseless War! 🤔
I'm really confused by you mind numbed TDS infected Democrats @moe
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For Democrats, it’s simply about power and control. You are right, they want to sabotage Trump at every angle. At this point, it’s disagreeing on literally anything he says or does. Right or wrong. They put party over country. They will destroy the country if it will make his presidency a failure.@moe ...@moe...@moe.... Trump offered that sawed off Bolshevik Zelensky the best deal he's ever going to get! Either from Europe under NATO, and certainly not under RUSSIAN OCCUPATION!
The agreement he could have signed with DJT would have made the US an equal partner economically, helping to rebuild his decimated country. Our economic partnership with him would automatically guarantee US protection as our strategic ally without NATO membership which would automatically trigger a global conflict with Russia if they were to ever invade again. In addition, US investments in their mineral rights would help both countries and strategically eliminate Russian influence not only in Ukraine, but throughout Europe! He would have access to US capital as well as US military equipment that he could actually pay for instead of bankrupting both America and his pitiful wasteland of a country fighting a war he simply cannot win against Russia.
Here...it's very well explained by non other than Mark Levin in his commentary on the whole Trump/Zelinsky dust up.
excerpt
“On Life, Liberty & Levin last Saturday, as well as radio and the Blaze, I explained how the minerals deal President Trump was proposing would be a huge benefit to both our country and Ukraine. For us, of course, it would result in hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of badly needed rare earth minerals and metals mined and developed by our country in Ukraine (Ukraine has not developed them significantly for several reasons). American businesses and employees would locate in Ukraine. And Ukraine would benefit with billions if not trillions in investment and revenue resulting from a deal with the United States. Furthermore, with such a crucial and significant American presence in Ukraine, the likelihood of Russia invading Ukraine again was very, very unlikely, thereby making Ukraine’s membership in NATO unnecessary.
Mark Levin Addressing Zelesky-Trump Conflict
Zelinsky got bad advice from Trump dazed Democrats, telling him to reject the deal only because they're anxious to sabotage Trump's efforts to end the Russian invasion and bring peace to the Crimean peninsula. They know creepy Joe couldn't find an end to the war, he just got us deeper into it & on the edge of World War 3! Trump is trying to be a peacemaker, recoup some of the money we've wasted on this senseless War which neither side can win, and end the bloodshed which has killed thousands and thousands of both Ukrainians and Russians.
It's no wonder Democrats favor more war, more death, more destruction, more debt, and more devastation. They like to kill innocent babies, so what's a few thousand more dead Russians and Ukrainian boys to them? 😏
@moe
I'm OK with more death and destruction over Ukraine...look what Trump as done to me and my worthless Democrat party? What have WE got to lose?.... to turn a popular phrase "orange man bad" used to steal traditional Democrat votes from Blacks who'd been brainwashed by my loser party!
Gee @moe , you're calling Trump a war mongering Dictator, but it looks like you and your loser party have beat him to it over your desperate attempts to sabotage his peace efforts for Ukraine! 🤔
I'm really confused by you mind numbed TDS infected Democrats @moe
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I don't know why you're so confused atl??? Look, we Democrats just hate Trump...doesn't that explain everything else we do that makes no sense?
It is sad. It’s more sad there’s a lot of people like moe and they are mindless sheep. Totally reliant on msm propaganda
I don't watch them (msm) so I can't comment on what they're saying (or not saying) however I understand they're not reporting any of the DOGE revelations of waste fraud & abuse, and instead are simply attacking Musk. On this Zelensky scuffle with Trump, (according to social media) they're not reporting what Trump was offering him, just that Trump "lost his cool" and tried to "bully" Zelensky.
Sounds about right, because that's exactly what @moe 's been on here ignorantly regurgitating.
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I don’t agree with this after having worked with and within the IC for the last 30 years. You have to understand, the IC is entrenched in its doctrine. That’s why things largely don’t change between presidencies. The IC apparatus remains constant pushing an agenda that 95% of politicians are afraid to upset.
They’re not specifically trying to make Trump look bad. They’re trying to protect their kingdom and their world strategy. Trump knocking out USAID really hurt them and their international capacity building. From their standpoint, they’re all by and in large, academic elites pedigrees. They’re convinced in knowing they’re smarter than the rest of us. It’s hubris on a level not comprehensible to the average person. They have a plan to deal with Russia and they don’t want anything to interfere with that plan. They will 100% side with foreign governments over their own elected governments if they believe it suits their purposes.
The cynical side of me says there is widespread agreement that the world is severely overpopulated and they want a big war to thin the herd out. War is extremely effective in that regard.
I honestly don't have a problem believing this about the IC because look how just one rouge field office in the FBI is acting by refusing to follow directives from the DOJ in Washington D.C.?
My only issue with this if it's true is why can't we remove those folks if they're not 100% on board with the Foreign policy of who the American people elected? Where in our Constitution do they get to run their own "shadow government" accountable to no one but themselves?
I say fire them all and arrest anyone else if they aren't American Patriots first!
What say you now moepid?
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed he is ready to sign a minerals deal with the United States.
This follows his heated exchange with US President Donald Trump at the White House, which unfolded in front of the media.
What Donald Trump did on the weekend actually exposed the fact that Zelensky was chasing the money.
I don’t know if Zelensky has much dignity left out of it.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed he is ready to sign a minerals deal with the United States.
This follows his heated exchange with US President Donald Trump at the White House, which unfolded in front of the media.
What Donald Trump did on the weekend actually exposed the fact that Zelensky was chasing the money.
I don’t know if Zelensky has much dignity left out of it.
JERUSALEM, Israel - Democratic lawmakers' reactions to last week's public row between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodmyr Zelenskyy set off a firestorm of criticism, yet comparisons of how Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was treated by Presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama have critics calling foul.
Former Presidents Obama and Biden publicly humiliated Netanyahu, according to media reports, and the Israeli leader, in sharp contrast to Zelenskyy, did not garner the same solidarity from many European leaders and legacy media outlets.
Obama refused to pose with Netanyahu for photographers during the Israeli leader’s White House visit in 2010 and held a private dinner without the prime minister, which was said to have been a breach of custom.
Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs President Dan Diker said , "The real question is why the international media, European powers and social networks were noticeably unsympathetic to Israel and its PM Netanyahu during the Obama and Biden administrations, dressing down and even humiliation of Netanyahu during and in between White House visits, in contrast to the immediate and widespread international sympathy for Zelenskyy following his 100 mph head on collision with and excoriation by President Trump and VP Vance?"
Dicker continued, saying, "Broadcast around the world, we remember Obama’s dumping of the Netanyahu-led delegation to the White House in 2010 and the Biden administration's overall maximum political pressure campaigns to force Israel to yield to American demands."
The strained relations between Obama and Netanyahu reached a head at the end of Obama’s term in December 2016. Obama’s abandonment of Israel at the United Nations by allowing the United Nations Security Council to censure Israel prompted Netanyahu to term the move a "shameful ambush."
After the 2024 State of the Union speech, Biden was caught on a hot mic on the House floor, where Biden said he and Netanyahu would have a "come to Jesus" moment soon.
Biden warned Israel that invading Rafah would be crossing a "red line." Israel defied Biden and secured the freedom of some hostages held by the Hamas terrorist organization in Rafah.
After Israel entered Rafah, Biden said of Netanyahu, "He’s a f---ing liar."
According to columnist Jonathan Martin, Biden termed Netanyahu a "bad f---ing guy."
Former Presidents Obama and Biden publicly humiliated Netanyahu, according to media reports, and the Israeli leader, in sharp contrast to Zelenskyy, did not garner the same solidarity from many European leaders and legacy media outlets.
Obama refused to pose with Netanyahu for photographers during the Israeli leader’s White House visit in 2010 and held a private dinner without the prime minister, which was said to have been a breach of custom.
Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs President Dan Diker said , "The real question is why the international media, European powers and social networks were noticeably unsympathetic to Israel and its PM Netanyahu during the Obama and Biden administrations, dressing down and even humiliation of Netanyahu during and in between White House visits, in contrast to the immediate and widespread international sympathy for Zelenskyy following his 100 mph head on collision with and excoriation by President Trump and VP Vance?"
Dicker continued, saying, "Broadcast around the world, we remember Obama’s dumping of the Netanyahu-led delegation to the White House in 2010 and the Biden administration's overall maximum political pressure campaigns to force Israel to yield to American demands."
The strained relations between Obama and Netanyahu reached a head at the end of Obama’s term in December 2016. Obama’s abandonment of Israel at the United Nations by allowing the United Nations Security Council to censure Israel prompted Netanyahu to term the move a "shameful ambush."
After the 2024 State of the Union speech, Biden was caught on a hot mic on the House floor, where Biden said he and Netanyahu would have a "come to Jesus" moment soon.
Biden warned Israel that invading Rafah would be crossing a "red line." Israel defied Biden and secured the freedom of some hostages held by the Hamas terrorist organization in Rafah.
After Israel entered Rafah, Biden said of Netanyahu, "He’s a f---ing liar."
According to columnist Jonathan Martin, Biden termed Netanyahu a "bad f---ing guy."
Excellent contrast @bornaneer you've brilliantly pointed out here on how biased the treatment of Zero vs Netanyahu was compared to Trump and Zelsnsky. Meantime @moe was silent through it all...not a word of criticism from him calling our then so called "leader of the free world" a "Dictator" for refusing to even recognize our closest and most strategic ally overseas!
Why not? 🤔
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Gosh @moe ...we knew you were brainwashed, but this abuses the privilege...good grief!
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Good catch there @Gunny46 ! I think Pam & Kash should have a closer look into this little "friendship" !
