Zelenskyy leaves White House after Ukraine talks collapse
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This will probably short circuit you then.
To the hand-wringing Europeans who felt offended by President Trump rejecting being lectured by President Zelensky: Be my guest to defend Ukraine from Putin. It is long past time for the Europeans to show they are capable of defending their own continent. They’ve allowed their militaries to be hollowed out and when Europe speaks, no bad guy listens. I say this with great sadness: The last group of people that I would count on to defend freedom are the Europeans.
Such a fool Moe. Hero Zelensky got torched and it was Zelensky who wanted the cameras
Moe is a fool. I have tried to have a decent dialogue with Moe...but seems to be very miserable human being.
You and your ilk are the true puppets of Putin...If you are so hell bent of having American's fighting in the Ukraine...go volunteer...I'm sure Zelenskyy can help you.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to mend ties with U.S. President Donald Trump following their heat Oval Office exchange. Speaking to the BBC, Rutte said he had spoken to Zelenskyy twice after the White House meeting, advising him to rebuild his relationship with the American leadership..
"It is important that President Zelensky finds a way to restore his relationship with the American President and with the senior American leadership team," Rutte told the BBC on Saturday.
He also acknowledged Trump’s past support for Ukraine, particularly during his first administration, when the U.S. approved the sale of Javelin anti-tank missiles that helped Ukraine resist Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.
"We really have to give Trump credit," he added.
'You clowns': Ex-diplomat Susan Rice snaps back at critics spreading new conspiracy theory
"Well, Wolf, in my estimation, it was a setup," said Rice on Friday. "Let's recall the sequence here. Zelensky reluctantly agreed to a bad deal regarding his mineral wealth for which he got nothing in exchange. Not as bad a deal as the original one that the Trump administration proposed, but still nothing in it for Ukraine. He nonetheless was prepared to sign it, to come to Washington, to have the opportunity to try to persuade Donald Trump, before negotiations get really underway, that Ukraine desperately needs security guarantees. So he came, hat in hand, to the Oval Office. Donald Trump kept the pool spray in there for 40 minutes, and was saying things that were outrageous that like, you know, Ukraine started the war and Russia is not the aggressor."
"You clowns are up to the same old tired crap," the ex-diplomat said. "When your guy screws up and royally embarrasses himself and the U.S., you try to change the subject and lie about a favorite target to distract and deflect. For the record, I have never met Zelenskyy and never spoken to him. Ever. Or advised him or anybody around him. It’s a shame that you contend that it is in the U.S. national interest to sell out Ukraine and suck up to Putin."
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cool story Keep the MAGA/Russian disinformation flowing like a good cult member.
Actually he has a lot. It's also funny how you only reply to him but ignore me because I have owned you so many times. You hate to be showed up. It's comical that you have 95% of users here on ignore. It shows how weak you are. You lost!
All Moe has to do is slowly rewatch this meeting and watch the body language of Zelenskyy whenever Trump mentions ending the war. It's clear that Zelenskyy does not want the war stopped.
J.D.Vance can see how Zelensky is reacting...Trump cannot see the reactions because of how they were seated...Vance could see and did not like what Zelenskyy was doing.
lol why make stuff up? but thanks for sharing your MAGA feelings. Despite no one (either Zelensky or Trump critics) ever saying that they want the war to continue, you continue spreading your same baseless MAGA lies that Zelensky and others want it to continue with zero evidence. I know it's hard for someone like yourself to stop lying but give it a try maybe.
If Trump has purged the white house correctly then she had to be talking to Zelensky. I'd say there's more than a few rats hiding in Trump's inner circle
Rice is a long time Trump hater. She has this ass-backwards:
Everything that went down in the disastrous White House meeting between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was staged, former U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice argued to CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Friday evening.
"Well, Wolf, in my estimation, it was a setup," said Rice. "Let's recall the sequence here. Zelensky reluctantly agreed to a bad deal regarding his mineral wealth for which he got nothing in exchange. Not as bad a deal as the original one that the Trump administration proposed, but still nothing in it for Ukraine. He nonetheless was prepared to sign it, to come to Washington, to have the opportunity to try to persuade Donald Trump, before negotiations get really underway, that Ukraine desperately needs security guarantees.
Furthermore, Rice argued, Trump "gave the permission to J.D. Vance in advance to try to provoke Zelensky, which he tried to do, and to start a rumble that would have two purposes. One, to appeal to Trump's base, which is why at the end of the meeting, Trump said, oh, this is great television. And they've been sending all of their lackeys out to to tout how wonderful it was, when in fact it was a massive embarrassment for the United States of America. But the other audience was Vladimir Putin. And my understanding ... is that the Russian state news agency, TASS, was in the room as part of the pool spray, but AP and perhaps Reuters were not. That tells you that the other audience was very much in Moscow, and you already indicated how delighted they are at the outcome."
"This was a setup designed to humiliate and antagonize the Ukrainians and Zelensky, and to give Donald Trump a pretext for what he has already indicated he is intending to do, which is to stop military assistance to Ukraine," she added. "So we are in a really dangerous, not to mention shameful situation, where yet again, in word and deed, Trump is aligning the United States of America with Vladimir Putin and, by extension, his best buddies, China, North Korea, and Iran, and abandoning our NATO allies, abandoning Ukraine, abandoning our principles, our values and democracy, and throwing our lot in with an autocratic dictator and an axis of authoritarians."
There's no mystery. It took me 2 seconds to find everything you'd probably ever want to know about it. Click all the links.
Breaking Down the U.S.-Ukraine Minerals Deal
I found this story on meeting to be exactly as I saw it...and I watch the ENTIRE meeting late last night:
Yesterday, Susan Rice said of the Trump-Zelensky meeting, "There is no question this was a set up." She revealed full knowledge of the mineral agreement, complained that it didn't include "concrete" security agrees (meaning, apparently, commitment of US troops on the ground if conditions merit), and then mischaracterized Trump's behavior, counting on most Americans to not have watched what transpired over the entire hour in the Oval Office.
You can look at this and dismiss it as typical Democrat talking points, but you could also view it as almost a confession, one that includes details about the current "Get Trump" effort.
Yes, Trump won the popular vote against unbelievable odds, but if you think Team Obama is being any less involved in quiet insurrections than they were during the first Trump administration (Russia collusion, Ukraine impeachment, etc.), you're clueless. I'll remind you that Susan Rice was in the small Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the WH with other key Russia collusion hoax perpetrators.
Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened.
I think their goal was to have a wonderful performance by Zelensky, an angry Trump appearing to scuttle the deal, and the support of the neocon portion of the GOP to start applying pressure on Trump to have US Troop commitments as part of the "security guarantee." It was a set-up, in Susan Rice's interesting choice of words.
Instead, Zelensky had one of the worst stage performances of his acting career, and Trump was statesmanlike (against all odds) throughout. Zelensky followed Team Obama's advice to be hostile to a tee, but it didn't land how they thought it would. Surprisingly, one of the most important aspects of it not working out might have been Lindsay Graham's reaction. Had he and other neocons thought Zelensky was being reasonable, Trump would be having to fight (even moreso) the neocon portion of the GOP in addition to Team Obama's dirty tricks. Even the "conservative" neocon pundits on TV last night were admitting Zelensky had royally messed up.
Why Susan Rice and here people would interject themselves into this is interesting.
I find it hard to believe that their "get Trump" efforts are so strong as to possibly inflame the conflict to a greater degree that they would try to push Zelenskyy into acting as he did.
Let me say this...Trump will never put boots on the ground in the Ukraine.
I really think that Zelenskyy is very conflicted about what happened and who may have given him advice. I predict that he will come back to the table.
I find it hard to believe that their "get Trump" efforts are so strong as to possibly inflame the conflict to a greater degree that they would try to push Zelenskyy into acting as he did.
Let me say this...Trump will never put boots on the ground in the Ukraine.
I really think that Zelenskyy is very conflicted about what happened and who may have given him advice. I predict that he will come back to the table.
Ukraine was our ally from the war's beginning and up until 2 months ago so don't act shocked that Americans are still talking to the guy especially when Trump aligns with Russia and North Korea against him. Trump is the outlier with his love of dictators and all things Russian.
Well it's apparent from the past that Susan Rice is not good at giving advice. Both times Russia made a move on Ukraine she had something to do with the administration's in power . People following her on CNN shows how slow they are .
