it’s a shitty system chief , your retired mother isn’t getting the shaft this year and I give no ****s about your buddy’s pappy that gets paid a very good salary and let’s go mountaineers it’s tournament time
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You made too many points... some valid while some not so much...for me to reply to all of them in a single post. Like your students you want to keep everybody’s attention...right?
If you have not worked ‘most year long jobs’ how could you possibly know that you do more in 200 hundred days than all those professions do in an entire year? You can’t... ...but I can tell you at the peak (working my way up because I was always being evaluated) of my career I easily put in 60-70 hours a week on the clock and MANY more hours off the clock so I made those hours on the clock ‘look’ easy.
Making those type of arguments really turn off the people that teachers need in their corner....voters.
WV would be 9th (so, pretty close) according to the oracle.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/opportunity/affordability
you are talking to a guy who thinks teachers deserve twice as much money.. They are only responsible for educating our youth who are the future of our country. of coutse we need a grading system to weed out the bad ones.
Two questions for you. Why is any argument about getting summers off invalid from the get go? And why would a single person write/right out of college have a child....to therefore qualify for food stamps?
Oh, I think the part you left off was: “My bad, dude, I didn’t realize you actually did have insight into the issue and we just have a philosophical disagreement towards an approach on fixing it. I was talking out of my ass when I accused you of not being informed. Sorry, bro.”
A system you chose to go into or were forced into? You willing to sign up for performance metrics at the individual, local, or county level, open to a voucher system, charter schools, or how about a commitment to improvement in metrics of your product with SnapBack provisions on your salary demands if you and your collective fail at improving? As a taxpayer, I truly don’t care what you make if you’re succeeding, I’d agree to 20% or champion your cause. You aren’t, you all are failing, so I don’t.
But wait, it sounds like you’re just talking about your personal needs. I thought it was what the kids needed, to attract and retain better teachers. Fix the system. How about posting better results and then damanding tax dollars, ya smug fvck?
I’m actually in the camp of pay them more if they can prove they deserve it through quantifiable performance. I’m not kidding, I’d go to 20% for a shithot STEM teacher.
Plus...free tickets to college football games.
That’s like saving a dollar on ‘buck night’.
So a pay rate that came in at 41st or 42nd would be appropriate for the CENTRAL part of the state. Those counties on the borders and in the panhandles have a different market.
I would consider 50% for a shithot STEM teacher. I could see $70k for someone teaching calculus/physics/chemistry or similar with a few years of experience.
I’d consider a 20% raise if they could prove they’re qualified to teach study hall.
As pointed out earlier, there are other indices to consider, student teacher ratios (think I saw we’re 27th?) but no argument about the panhandle. Blame the union for peanut butter spreading the approach. If I was up there, I’d demand more than what Mingo county is getting, for sure.
For sure. And if they were arguing this logically, and willing to put some skin in the game I’d take vacation and go down there with them. They don’t even realize it’s the damn union that limits or outright inhibits their ability to fundamentally transform their situation into something that could be equitable and incentive driven.
Your info is a few years old. The site I linked has current salaries and lists each teacher, principal, janitor, bus driver, etc.
Congrats on your hard work. Maybe you don’t fall into that category, but I considering everyone I know isn’t a teacher, I can safely say many of them aren’t bringing their work home with them or being required to put in several extra hours per evening without compensation. Notice I did say most, not all. I’m not naive enough to think folks don’t work hard, but you shouldn’t be either to think teachers are just lounging around in their spare time.
I think most teachers worth their salt would accept those performance parameters that you mention, provided they had the backing of the parents, school administration, and the school board, that the kids would also be held accountable to do the best that they can. Those that refuse to do anything, or even come to school, should get the boot.
To your second question, a WV teacher right (I spelled it correctly) out of college with a child makes a low enough wage to qualify for government help. My point is if a person goes to a 4 year university and immediately gets a job in their intended field they should make enough money to not require government support.
To the first question, as I said earlier, many teachers are grading papers, attending sporting events, chaperoning dances and field trips, holding parent-teacher conferences, etc all outside of their “normal” duties. A 200 work day year isn’t just 8 hours per day, clock in/clock out type work. It doesn’t mean there aren’t others out there working just as much or more, it’s just not as simple as “I work 250 days and they only work 200”.
Shit, I’d pay a PE teacher more than an English literature teacher with a masters. At least the PE teacher was smart enough not to get a masters degree in a field that thinks Capote is a genius. Use your heads people.
Funny thing is that what you earn extra with a masters degree is a negative return on dollars spent to get it. Dumb libs
Funny thing is that what you earn extra with a masters degree is a negative return on dollars spent to get it. Dumb libs
Actually I’ve been trying be very clear in regard to my opinion that many teachers are lounging around during work hours. Since I’ve watched them ‘at work’ it’s not like I’m just making an assumption.
I’ll seriously consider your thoughts about teachers never lounging around in their spare time. No holes to be poked in that claim.
I get that but you do realize some people also do work outside of work
This is where the system is truly broken. I won’t toot my own horn but I do teach math. Probably not the best out there but certainly not the worst. It’s very frustrating to continually hear of the high need in my specialization yet know I’ll never make more than the 15 PE teachers out there for every one of us STEM folks. Why doesn’t supply and demand extend into th education profession?
I’m sorry the people you choose to associate with don’t take their jobs seriously. I’m very much in favor of performance reviews and the weeding out process of those who don’t belong. And just to be clear, not that it matters all that much, I never have joined or will ever join a union. I’m not in favor of equal pay for all teachers. I think those that do their jobs well and/or work in high demand areas should be paid more and I’m willing to submit to whatever kind of scrutiny would be necessary to see that come to pass. I’m not even fully in favor of what these people are doing. It’s just not as black and white as some want to make it. All teachers aren’t good, all students don’t care, and numbers are important but not everything.
Point well taken. Allow me to summarize then.
If the legislature had not wasted so much of our money all of these years, we would not even need to deal with this issue now.
Teacher unions?
Several here, including me, being hard in regard to teacher salaries want THE BEST TO GET PAID based on merit. The hurdle, according to unions and seemingly their membership, is there is no way to gauge a quality teacher compared to the rest of the pack.
IF YOU’RE A GREAT TEACHER I WANT YOU TO GET A GREAT SALARY!
I want to help pay that salary.
FYI, West Virginia has the Promise Scholarship which covers most of the cost of a college education (which is more than the cost of the ACT/SAT tests) at a pubic university in WV. If that is not incentive enough then I don't know what to do but put a foot up thier ass and throw their parents in jail for poor parenting.
I think if you get 2-3 months off that’s huge . That isn’t including holidays and spring break. I’m sorry but that is a difference .
No, pay them so we can get back the good ones who left and throw out the replacements who came in. Remember, good teachers won't come here for what we pay, so only horrible teachers were used to fill vacancies.
Unions and government and we are wondering why education and healthcare is so f'd up in this country. The sad part is that many of these people protesting are the ones who champion the bullshit that got them exactly into the situation they are in now.
My brother is on the board of education, sister in law is a teacher, both two time teachers of the year so I think there results are just fine... also two very intelligent girls the oldest was told she was ready for college at the age of 13 by northwestern university so I think they did fine as educators
Let me have 30 minutes with one and I can tell you if they are gold or garbage.
My teacher people are gold and I stick by that 100% they actually care and give a damn
I spent 12 years in the public education system, had a lot of teachers and seen a lot, I think I'm qualified to speak about what is going on. I pay my taxes, I'll say what I want.
I swear that this sounds exactly like what I observed from my older sister and her fellow teacher friends in Mon County. Matter of fact, when I was in college, I rode to Ocean City with them one summer to go to the beach. Made my sister pay for everything cause I only had 5 bucks on me. Cheapest vacation I ever went on.
They have an option to get paid year round or not get paid in the summer so it’s not a 3 month vacation
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