Because OU wanted Hurts...
Oklahoma was worried that with Kendall they couldn't win the Big 12
To all of the Dana Lovers
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Because OU wanted Hurts...
Oklahoma was worried that with Kendall they couldn't win the Big 12
lol, so which is why Grier would have never started....fine put down our future starting QB all you want but if Allison is our we are in trouble
No...
If Allison beats out Kendall it is because Allison goes through his progressions and runs the team with confidence.
The arm strength will always be there.
and he cant run which puts more pressure on our defense...Kendall has much better feet...not a runner but can extend plays with his feet
who would you take Hurts or Kendall or for that matter Grier or Hurts?
Im not sure what the point he is
Throwing the ball is always the best way to stretch a defense.
Keeps the safties back and opens up running lanes.
A running QB only works if he can throw the ball. If not he ends up like Shawn Robinson at TCU or Alex Delton at K State.
Both are excellent athletes who can make plays with their feet.
But both QBs cannot go through their progressions.
Kendall is no where close to the either QB athletically.
His biggest gift as a QB is reading the defense and understanding where the ball should go before the snap.
Oklahoma made that choice.
Grier is a better QB than Hurts without question.
Only the biggest homers around Oklahoma think Hurts is going to develop into a strong downfield passer.
Point is....
Just because Kendall was the back up.
Doesn't make him Will Grier.
Someone else asked if Grier would start at Oklahoma.
A lot of QBs wouldn't start at Oklahoma doesn't make them Will Grier.
Maybe WG would play in a bowl game at OU...everything I hear Kendall is going to be a real nice pickup for us and I do think he is a pro football player...he better be that kind of talent because if not with the defense Dana/Gibby left means we may not get 6 wins this season...again everything I hear Kendall is a great pickup for us
Kendall is a good QB. Like I said some made the comparsion to Trevor Knight.
Knight was a decent college QB. Things went wrong for him at Oklahoma but he had a decent career.
Kendall's success will depend on the OL.
There are a few good pieces there but not a complete line.
Kendall needs a running game and needs to be able to get the ball into the hands of playmakers.
I don't think he is at that point that he can carry a team like Will Grier.
Could be by November.
The question is why did we not win more with all the talent on school this past fall. Greir, Sills, Jennings, Wesco, an olineman, and a linebacker all play in the show next year. no doubt Grier had all the tools around him to win....maybe it was coaching but no excuse for this past season
The best thing we as fans can do is let Kendall, Allison, or whomever the starter is be Kendall, Allison, or whomever the starter is without the comparisons to Grier, Howard, Trickett, or Geno.
We won't know really anything until we see firsthand what kind of system the new coaching staff wants to put on the field. WVU picked up Kendall for a couple of reasons. One, was to bring in an additional arm to the QB room and second, to compete for the starting job.
It surely wasn't because they wanted a backup and it wasn't explained that way to Kendall. If that was the case, he would have stayed at Oklahoma.
We won't know really anything until we see firsthand what kind of system the new coaching staff wants to put on the field. WVU picked up Kendall for a couple of reasons. One, was to bring in an additional arm to the QB room and second, to compete for the starting job.
It surely wasn't because they wanted a backup and it wasn't explained that way to Kendall. If that was the case, he would have stayed at Oklahoma.
Because all the Big 12 schools have great WRs.
Oklahoma St had Justice Hill. Hill was a Top 5 RB at the combine.
The talent at West Virginia wasn't head and shoulders above everyone else.
Texas has probably 10 WRs that would start at a lot of schools around the country.
Your reply answers your own question. Notice out of the 6 pros you mentioned only one of them (there may be one more) were on the defensive side of the ball. With the Air Raid and Holgorsen's background, it was always going to be easier to get that quality player for the offensive side of the ball. We just didn't have the same mentality or name on the other side of the ball to match.
Gibson plays an odd man front...
But doesn't use a LB as a hybrid that could stick his hand in the dirt or drop back in coverage.
So WV had to rely on blitzes. There were times that WV's Defense looked outstanding.
Tennessee
TCU
K State
Half of Texas Tech
Baylor
But if you can't get a pass rush with 3 you send others.
This only works if you can cover downfield.
They couldn't. The CBs couldn't body up against Butler from Iowa St and the bigger Texas WRs.
Forgot the WR in the Oklahoma St game who had the big game but it was their slot who could find openings.
But...
Vic Koenning's D will have the same issues without a Bandit and without Dreshun Miller winning a starting position.
But doesn't use a LB as a hybrid that could stick his hand in the dirt or drop back in coverage.
So WV had to rely on blitzes. There were times that WV's Defense looked outstanding.
Tennessee
TCU
K State
Half of Texas Tech
Baylor
But if you can't get a pass rush with 3 you send others.
This only works if you can cover downfield.
They couldn't. The CBs couldn't body up against Butler from Iowa St and the bigger Texas WRs.
Forgot the WR in the Oklahoma St game who had the big game but it was their slot who could find openings.
But...
Vic Koenning's D will have the same issues without a Bandit and without Dreshun Miller winning a starting position.
Are you talking the same QB that Oklahoma got rid of because they didn't think he was good enough to win the Big 12.
Your expectations of Kendall are a little too high. West Virginia has some good pieces but so does the majority of the Big 12. Even Kansas with Pooka Williams. Pooka would be your best offensive weapon next year at WVU but he is at Kansas. A team that won 1 Big 12 game last year.
It depends on your Offensive Line. WV has an average to good OL. Had one the last few years.
That is why TCU went 7-6 last year. Poor to average OL play. TCU has 2 Senior Running Backs who will play in the NFL. Don't see anyone on your roster at RB that is at a NFL level yet.
Right now Texas has probably the 2 best offensive linemen.
Oklahoma has maybe the best OL overall.
then recruit better...lots of covering for Dana and his boys
I have been saying that for awhile.
Even with Neal Brown.
Dana's Recruiting was the historical norm for WV but Dana subsidized his roster with transfers.
But...
In recruiting there are two keys.
Scouting and Development plus bringing in the correct players.
WVU as a program has had exactly TWO seasons since 1980 where we would have "sniffed" a playoff birth in the current model. In that same time span, I can count on my fingers the number of times we've won 10 ballgames. I don't mind folks hating on the former coach, but using this "logic" to make your points is ridiculous.
Dana won at the same level as Don Nehlen did in his first eight years.
It wasn't until year nine that he had WV in the Fiesta Bowl.
The same people on here celebrating Don Nehlen as a coach to judge all others by are probably the same ones calling for Nehlen's head throughout the 1990's.
Don't matter the coach at WV....
There are going to be 6-6 or 7-5 seasons.
There are also going to be peaks like Dana had.
But the team he developed in 2018 was a much better team overall that he had in 2012.
Geno Smith, Tavon Austin and Bailey were not enough to win the Big 12.
Maybe the Big East. If Dana and WV moved to the American like Cincinnati and Temple from the Big East.
Dana would have won 10+ games every year.
WV would be UCF right now....
But UCF isn't going to play in the CFP.
It wasn't until year nine that he had WV in the Fiesta Bowl.
The same people on here celebrating Don Nehlen as a coach to judge all others by are probably the same ones calling for Nehlen's head throughout the 1990's.
Don't matter the coach at WV....
There are going to be 6-6 or 7-5 seasons.
There are also going to be peaks like Dana had.
But the team he developed in 2018 was a much better team overall that he had in 2012.
Geno Smith, Tavon Austin and Bailey were not enough to win the Big 12.
Maybe the Big East. If Dana and WV moved to the American like Cincinnati and Temple from the Big East.
Dana would have won 10+ games every year.
WV would be UCF right now....
But UCF isn't going to play in the CFP.
1988
1993
2005
2006
2007
and maybe the second best overall team from the above list was the 1984 that beat nationally rated BC, MD, Pitt, and Penn
State but they were so beat up after that run they lost the last four games of the season...crazy good team....then the 1998 kinda was the same way and perhaps had the most top end NFL type players of any team in school history but had some bad breaks along the way..both of these teams just had bad luck or they would be in the above list...so we have a group of 11 wins seasons above and two season that would be the same if it were not for bad luck
Rich Rod coached in a water down Big East.
After VA Tech and Miami left.
Dana showed he could win at the level in the BE and win a big bowl game.
After VA Tech and Miami left.
Dana showed he could win at the level in the BE and win a big bowl game.
Nehlen was a different coach in the late 1990's but he proved you can win at WVU and some that continue to dumb down expectations in an attempt to cover for Dana are just sad. Lyons and Gee wanted Dana out because they felt our program has more potential then what was taking place under Dana. Its just nice to have a head coach that will come to work every day.
One of the reasons Lyons wanted Dana gone is he did like the fact that Dana had a lot of people in and around the program thinking that the best we could do was 8 or 9 wins.
Not expectations...
Reality.
Lyons and Gee should have given Dana Holgersen better facilities and better assistants.
He was forced to hire Gibson
Reason why money for assistants at Houston was so important. Dana wanted to be able to hire better assistants.
Only school Nehlen competed with on that level was Penn St.
Dana was and Neal Brown is competiting with schools with huge athletic budgets and huge mega boosters.
Neal Brown will give WV a better idea of where they stand.
I don't care about budgets and did BC care about budgets when Flutie was beating everyone but WVU, did Pitt care about budgets when Marino, Fralic, and Huge Green were beating Penn State and WVU.....Nope!
What about those Maryland teams that we were beat and loaded with talent.....Btw, Ollie gave Dana a fresh renovation to the stadium and to the Puskar building(with more coming), so don't try and tell us he was not given upgrades...how about Dana get out bed for the 6:00 work outs and spending less time out of town gambling...... Just this week Neal said said the indoor practice facility was good enough for him to compete and practice when its cold out
one last thing...Dana had a DC coordinator that was one of the highest paid in the Big 12....
Dude, Gibby was one of the highest paid defensive coordinators in the league, so if Dana didn't pay Gibby so much there would be more money for others. Gibby was not worth $900,000 a year, but the problem was no body want that job under Dana. So no way you can play the "we don't pay enough" card.
You do realize we did a make over to the stadium right?
MORGANTOWN — West Virginia’s football staff ranks in the middle of the Big 12 pack, though one of Dana Holgorsen’s assistants stands among the league’s best-paid, according to data published Wednesday by USA Today.
West Virginia defensive coordinator Tony Gibson was the third-highest paid assistant coach and second-highest paid defensive coordinator in the Big 12 during 2018 with a salary of $901,000. That figure ranks 26th nationally among all college assistant coaches.
The only Big 12 assistants
Middle of the pack in assistant pay ultimately leads to middle of the pack in recruiting.
Dana wasn't given the tools to finish higher than 9-3.
Paying your assistants at a 4th-6th level.
Having probably the 6th best facilities in the Big 12
Recruiting at a 4th-6th level.
Will mean that you will finish 4th-6th.
Expecting anything more...
WV may search 50 years for that coach.
West Virginia defensive coordinator Tony Gibson was the third-highest paid assistant coach and second-highest paid defensive coordinator in the Big 12 during 2018 with a salary of $901,000. That figure ranks 26th nationally among all college assistant coaches.
The only Big 12 assistants
Middle of the pack in assistant pay ultimately leads to middle of the pack in recruiting.
Dana wasn't given the tools to finish higher than 9-3.
Paying your assistants at a 4th-6th level.
Having probably the 6th best facilities in the Big 12
Recruiting at a 4th-6th level.
Will mean that you will finish 4th-6th.
Expecting anything more...
WV may search 50 years for that coach.
What Dana was telling people was that he didn't want Gibson.
Why do you think Gibson didn't go with him?
Dana is head coach hire someone else....Lyons was not controlling like Ollie....If Dana has a crap DC that is Dana’s problem not Lyons..,.excuses continue
Don't worry. They'll turn on Neal Brown one day too. Especially if he leaves for greener pastures, which to some in our fanbase, is the ultimate mortal sin. To the rest of America, leaving for a better job elicits congratulations.
If Neal Brown does win the Big 12 WV will have to open up their pockets.
TCU had to with Gary Patterson. Patterson's wife likes Fort Worth and is apart of the society there. She is the reason why Patterson never left.
Mike Gundy. Gundy is an Oklahoma St alum so it would be hard to get him away.
TCU had to with Gary Patterson. Patterson's wife likes Fort Worth and is apart of the society there. She is the reason why Patterson never left.
Mike Gundy. Gundy is an Oklahoma St alum so it would be hard to get him away.
Hopefully you agree with that about Rich Rod as well. Would be very hypocritical of you if you didn't.
Rich Rod got a much better job when he left here. I have no problem with one of our coaches trying to better himself. My problem with Rich Rod was the manner in which he left.
Like Dana got a better job....Neal will have more political capital just from his fan, state, and alumni outreach.
All coaches value different things.
Dana wanted protection and the ability to win at a high level.
In the AAC it is easier. Houston can throw as much money as anyone at their program.
Neal Brown has to prove to be able to do what Dana has done.
What 7 or 8 wins a season? You do you understand that is average....interesting in how our new staff is talking about the need to teach our kids our to practice....Rod required the same attention at practice but it sounds like Dana not so much
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Did you ever attend a WV practice...
Hal Mumme was the OC at UTEP. Ended up getting fired. After he was fired he got the head coaching job at Copperas Cove High School.
He went to BYU to watch LaVell Edwards practice because he wanted to use a BYU offense.
He saw that BYU used to run the same play over and over until it was perfect.
Something that Hal Mumme and Mike Leach used at Kentucky and something Mike Leach continues to use to this day.
Dana Holgersen played for Mike Leach and Hal Mumme at Iowa Wesleyan.
Dana coached under Mike Leach at Texas Tech.
The practice on offense that Neal Brown has is the same as Dana Holgersen. Same as Mike Leach.
USC brought in a coach from the Air Raid coaching tree and they have noticed this about Graham Harrell.
After two days of practice the long time USC reporters marvelled at how Harrell will make sure everything is perfect .
Where do you think Graham Harrell learned this?
Playing at Texas Tech with Mike Leach and Dana Holgersen.
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Thank goodness Dana, the Red Bull, is gone. Wish it would have been sooner. Nothing but a blow hard. Current staff....big improvement.
If you listen to the coaches interviews the last several days they are discussing how they have to teach the kids how to practice...go listen to the interviews
