Thoughts on WV/Miami.

[steeleer]

LOL...you'll be facing one of the nation's best defenses, period. And, I don't want to hear some crap about ACC offenses vs Big12 offenses. Miami faced FSU, Pitt, UNC and VT, which are all higher ranked offenses than WVU.

Has I or anyone else here talked about WVU having a high powered offense?

Howard is our restrictor plate. He has limited anything we have done the past month. That being said...the only offense on that list of ACC teams that would concern me is FSU, and that is only due to their history.

WVU with Howard playing even adequate ball would romp over that list....and Miami. I just don't know if Dana has enough time to get Howard's head on straight before that game. He's been friggin awful. Even put a healthy Clint Trickett in there and we would beat Miami by 3 TDs....easy.

The only way Miami scores more than 20 points is if Howard gags up the ball the way he has recently. That's it.

 

[chuckt220]

Depends on which Skyler shows up. I think all four of our running backs, any of which could start at Thug U, will be healthy. I think we pressure and frustrate Thug U's young qb.

Their QB is a senior

 

[countryroads89]

Their QB is a senior

Please see post number 16 in this thread.

 

[chuckt220]

LOL...you'll be facing one of the nation's best defenses, period. And, I don't want to hear some crap about ACC offenses vs Big12 offenses. Miami faced FSU, Pitt, UNC and VT, which are all higher ranked offenses than WVU.

One of the nations best defenses? Really? Your D isn't bad but it isn't one of the nations best either. Hell it won't be the best D in the game. Douglas will smother whomever he covers and if Kayaa throws at him he will get picked. Go ahead and say we can't pressure the QB and watch Kayaa pull himself off the turf from Nwachuku and Long busting him up. If White is healthy he will bring some lumber too(look up the strip sack of Buechele).

 

[chuckt220]

Please see post number 16 in this thread.

Yeah he's a junior but hell it seems like he's been there forever

 

[dave]

Yeah, that 8-4 Pitt team that beat Clemson at Clemson the very next weekend. That's a better win than WVU has on its resume.

That same Pitt team lost to a bad UNC and VT team. Oh my bad, Miami lost to them too.

 

[dave]

Miami faced FSU, Pitt, UNC and VT, which are all higher ranked offenses than WVU.

Because they played shithole defenses like Pitt, Miami, VT, FSU, GT, Wake, Louisiville, BC.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Has I or anyone else here talked about WVU having a high powered offense?

Howard is our restrictor plate. He has limited anything we have done the past month. That being said...the only offense on that list of ACC teams that would concern me is FSU, and that is only due to their history.

WVU with Howard playing even adequate ball would romp over that list....and Miami. I just don't know if Dana has enough time to get Howard's head on straight before that game. He's been friggin awful. Even put a healthy Clint Trickett in there and we would beat Miami by 3 TDs....easy.

The only way Miami scores more than 20 points is if Howard gags up the ball the way he has recently. That's it.

You have absolutely no basis for your statements. Nothing about WVU's season suggests they'll be able to slow down Miami's offense. Nothing about WVU's season suggests they'll be able to easily score on Miami's defense, even if you QB is playing well.

And yes, somebody tried to discount Miami's defense because it faced ACC teams rather than Big12 teams. My post just shows that Miami faced plenty of high powered offenses, and faired very well against them.

Additionally, it's been proven time and time again that those high powered Big12 offenses are a mirage, and the scoring is more a function of poor defensive play than anything else.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

First, comparing two team's offenses is meaningless, but I see you also forgot scoring offense. You know, the metric that matters the most.

It's a 2 point spread; statistically insignificant.

 

[skibbyskibby]

One of the nations best defenses? Really? Your D isn't bad but it isn't one of the nations best either. Hell it won't be the best D in the game. Douglas will smother whomever he covers and if Kayaa throws at him he will get picked. Go ahead and say we can't pressure the QB and watch Kayaa pull himself off the turf from Nwachuku and Long busting him up. If White is healthy he will bring some lumber too(look up the strip sack of Buechele).

Miami's defense is ranked in the top 15 in the category that matters the most...scoring. We're also top 10 in TFLs and top 25 in sacks and many other categories. So yes, Miami's defense is one of the best in the country.

Your post is full of wishful thinking. The reality is, WVU was mediocre at getting to the QB and really bad at stopping teams for loss.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Yeah he's a junior but hell it seems like he's been there forever

He started as a true freshman. That's why it seems that way.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Because they played shithole defenses like Pitt, Miami, VT, FSU, GT, Wake, Louisiville, BC.

You might want to check your stats. All of those teams except Pitt have pretty solid defenses. Only FSU, BC and GT have lower ranked defenses than WVU and only marginally.

 

[dave]

Additionally, it's been proven time and time again that those high powered Big12 offenses are a mirage, and the scoring is more a function of poor defensive play than anything else.

When?

 

[skibbyskibby]

It's a 2 point spread; statistically insignificant.

Yeah, I don't think you understand statistics.

 

[dave]

You might want to check your stats. All of those teams except Pitt have pretty solid defenses. Only FSU, BC and GT have lower ranked defenses than WVU and only marginally.

Statistical incest. Enjoy your beatdown.

 

[skibbyskibby]

When?

OU was a pretty good example of that on 2 different occasions this year alone.

 

[dave]

OU was a pretty good example of that on 2 different occasions this year alone.

I thought you said you understood football?

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Yeah, I don't think you understand statistics.

LOL!

 

[skibbyskibby]

I thought you said you understood football?

Are you saying OU's offense didn't wilt in the face of a quality defense? OU ran a train on every defense in the Big12, but when it faced UH and tOSU it had its lowest offensive output. It did the same thing last year once it faced Clemson in the CFP.

 

[skibbyskibby]

I'm absolutely owning you guys on your own home board. I keep bringing facts supported by actual results and statistics, and you guys got nothing to counter with but unsupported opinion.

 

[dave]

Are you saying OU's offense didn't wilt in the face of a quality defense? OU ran a train on every defense in the Big12, but when it faced UH and tOSU it had its lowest offensive output. It did the same thing last year once it faced Clemson in the CFP.

Probably had nothing to do with having over half the offensive production injured, but you know that since you understand football and stuff.

 

[chuckt220]

You own nothing. You bring schewed stats from playing against pasties. You didn't play against 2 of the 3 offenses that are actually good in your conference and you tout you're "greatD". This isn't the old U. You've gotten better but, we are still better this year.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I'm absolutely owning you guys on your own home board. I keep bringing facts supported by actual results and statistics, and you guys got nothing to counter with but unsupported opinion.

Now I KNOW you don't understand facts; your opinions aren't facts. I've looked back through most of your posts and very few contain any absolute facts and fewer contain any stats.

Now you know who is owned.

 

[skibbyskibby]

You own nothing. You bring schewed stats from playing against pasties. You didn't play against 2 of the 3 offenses that are actually good in your conference and you tout you're "greatD". This isn't the old U. You've gotten better but, we are still better this year.

Played 4 offenses that are better than WVU's offense actually and 4 of the 6 best offenses in the ACC.

 

[dave]

Played 4 offenses that are better than WVU's offense actually and 4 of the 6 best offenses in the ACC.

Better than WVU how?

 

[skibbyskibby]

Probably had nothing to do with having over half the offensive production injured, but you know that since you understand football and stuff.

That sounds like an excuse. If we're going to play that game, how about the fact that Miami played the whole year with 65 scholarship players available or less. Also started 5 true freshman on defense, and lost our two best defensive players before the season. Still finished with a top 15 defense.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Better than WVU how?

Scoring offense brah. You know, the metric that matters the most.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

it must be a difficult life for a 'Canes fan these days........... I mean, the amount of dick they have to suck from FSU and UF fans daily..........


and then USF just up and blows up into a top 25 team too? Wow................... dick everywhere

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Played 4 offenses that are better than WVU's offense actually and 4 of the 6 best offenses in the ACC.

Once again, your opinions are not facts. Below is the NCAA rankings for Total Offense as of 12/4/16; the top 50. Only Louisville in the ACC is ranked higher than WVU and Miami dodged them this year. Take a look. BTW, don't look too hard for Miami, you won't find them.

Total Offense Last updated - December 4, 2016 Through games of December 3, 2016

RANK TEAM G PLAYS YDS YDS/PLAY OFF TDS TDS YPG

1 Texas Tech 12 1042 6774 6.50 69 68 564.5

2 Louisville 12 899 6705 7.46 69 35 558.8

3 Oklahoma 12 886 6688 7.55 68 44 557.3

4 Toledo 12 881 6357 7.22 59 37 529.8

5 Baylor 12 1025 6280 6.13 54 47 523.3

6 Tulsa 12 1029 6270 6.09 60 47 522.5

7 Western Ky. 13 880 6726 7.64 70 39 517.4

8 Louisiana Tech 13 887 6709 7.56 67 56 516.1

9 Middle Tenn. 12 899 6188 6.88 60 55 515.7

10 South Fla. 12 848 6181 7.29 68 45 515.1

11 California 12 1035 6158 5.95 53 67 513.2

12 West Virginia 12 918 6083 6.63 48 33 506.9

13 Clemson 13 1036 6574 6.35 66 30 505.7

14 Missouri 12 948 6006 6.34 49 49 500.5

15 Washington St. 12 952 5971 6.27 62 43 497.6

16 Western Mich. 13 953 6457 6.78 67 32 496.7

17 Oklahoma St. 12 882 5905 6.70 56 45 492.1

18 Oregon 12 892 5900 6.61 57 68 491.7

19 Texas 12 999 5895 5.90 48 47 491.3

20 Boise St. 12 810 5758 7.11 56 31 479.8

21 Ohio St. 12 936 5754 6.15 59 18 479.5

22 Washington 13 870 6203 7.13 70 27 477.2

23 TCU 12 924 5700 6.17 45 39 475.0

24 Florida St. 12 877 5692 6.49 52 37 474.3

25 Southern Miss. 12 948 5665 5.98 48 47 472.1

26 Alabama 13 926 6127 6.62 53 15 471.3

27 New Mexico 12 809 5643 6.98 56 52 470.3

28 So. California 12 881 5627 6.39 45 34 468.9

29 Texas A&M 12 877 5617 6.40 49 34 468.1

30 East Carolina 12 958 5605 5.85 39 56 467.1

31 Ole Miss 12 905 5572 6.16 44 50 464.3

32 Northern Ill. 12 949 5565 5.86 47 49 463.8

33 Memphis 12 883 5537 6.27 53 42 461.4

34 Houston 12 1009 5510 5.46 52 33 459.2

35 Navy 12 803 5476 6.82 62 45 456.3

36 Eastern Mich. 12 914 5447 5.96 44 49 453.9

37 Air Force 12 904 5418 5.99 48 42 451.5

38 Colorado St. 12 834 5412 6.49 52 44 451.0

39 Auburn 12 861 5391 6.26 43 18 449.3

40 Ball St. 12 955 5390 5.64 39 46 449.2

41 Mississippi St. 12 883 5388 6.10 46 51 449.0

42 Virginia Tech 13 1009 5827 5.78 53 38 448.2

43 Pittsburgh 12 805 5370 6.67 61 55 447.5

44 Colorado 13 1037 5802 5.59 50 31 446.3

45 North Carolina 12 784 5309 6.77 48 38 442.4

46 Syracuse 12 971 5290 5.45 39 61 440.8

47 Michigan 12 870 5272 6.06 59 18 439.3

48 Wyoming 13 927 5710 6.16 57 58 439.2

49 Troy 12 905 5263 5.82 49 34 438.6

50 Arkansas 12 858 5255 6.12 44 49 437.9

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Scoring offense brah. You know, the metric that matters the most.

And you still don't understand what is behind the numbers, so here they are and it is still statistically insignificant. They are virtually a wash!

Rank Team G W-L TDs PAT 2PT DPtsFGSaf Pts PPG
35 Miami (FL) 12 8-4 51 49 0 0 20 0 415 34.6
45 West Virginia 12 10-2 49 49 0 0 16 0 391 32.6

Essentially you have a better Field Goal Kicker and we didn't have Florida A&M to put 70 points up on. Not something I'd hang my hat on... but for you.......

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

You have absolutely no basis for your statements. Nothing about WVU's season suggests they'll be able to slow down Miami's offense. Nothing about WVU's season suggests they'll be able to easily score on Miami's defense, even if you QB is playing well.

And yes, somebody tried to discount Miami's defense because it faced ACC teams rather than Big12 teams. My post just shows that Miami faced plenty of high powered offenses, and faired very well against them.

Additionally, it's been proven time and time again that those high powered Big12 offenses are a mirage, and the scoring is more a function of poor defensive play than anything else.

I know that this is like talking to a post but here goes.

The 4 teams you mentioned earlier had the following offensive ratings: VT 22, FSU 28, Pitt 48, and UNC 49th.

WVU played 6 offenses rated higher than VT, your top offense: TTU 1, OU 5, Baylor 9, Missouri 17, OSU 19 and Texas 21. Facts always destroy uninformed opinions. Thanks for playing even if you suck at this.

 

[Uswagpak]

Easy to say your division has a high powered offenses when NOBODY has a defense lol

 

[countryroads89]

Easy to say your division has a high powered offenses when NOBODY has a defense lol

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Easy to say your division has a high powered offenses when NOBODY has a defense lol

Two words for you: Notre Dame

 

[skibbyskibby]

it must be a difficult life for a 'Canes fan these days........... I mean, the amount of dick they have to suck from FSU and UF fans daily..........


and then USF just up and blows up into a top 25 team too? Wow................... dick everywhere

Huh? When was the last time UF beat Miami. I'll wait.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Once again, your opinions are not facts. Below is the NCAA rankings for Total Offense as of 12/4/16; the top 50. Only Louisville in the ACC is ranked higher than WVU and Miami dodged them this year. Take a look. BTW, don't look too hard for Miami, you won't find them.

Total Offense Last updated - December 4, 2016 Through games of December 3, 2016

RANK TEAM G PLAYS YDS YDS/PLAY OFF TDS TDS YPG

1 Texas Tech 12 1042 6774 6.50 69 68 564.5

2 Louisville 12 899 6705 7.46 69 35 558.8

3 Oklahoma 12 886 6688 7.55 68 44 557.3

4 Toledo 12 881 6357 7.22 59 37 529.8

5 Baylor 12 1025 6280 6.13 54 47 523.3

6 Tulsa 12 1029 6270 6.09 60 47 522.5

7 Western Ky. 13 880 6726 7.64 70 39 517.4

8 Louisiana Tech 13 887 6709 7.56 67 56 516.1

9 Middle Tenn. 12 899 6188 6.88 60 55 515.7

10 South Fla. 12 848 6181 7.29 68 45 515.1

11 California 12 1035 6158 5.95 53 67 513.2

12 West Virginia 12 918 6083 6.63 48 33 506.9

13 Clemson 13 1036 6574 6.35 66 30 505.7

14 Missouri 12 948 6006 6.34 49 49 500.5

15 Washington St. 12 952 5971 6.27 62 43 497.6

16 Western Mich. 13 953 6457 6.78 67 32 496.7

17 Oklahoma St. 12 882 5905 6.70 56 45 492.1

18 Oregon 12 892 5900 6.61 57 68 491.7

19 Texas 12 999 5895 5.90 48 47 491.3

20 Boise St. 12 810 5758 7.11 56 31 479.8

21 Ohio St. 12 936 5754 6.15 59 18 479.5

22 Washington 13 870 6203 7.13 70 27 477.2

23 TCU 12 924 5700 6.17 45 39 475.0

24 Florida St. 12 877 5692 6.49 52 37 474.3

25 Southern Miss. 12 948 5665 5.98 48 47 472.1

26 Alabama 13 926 6127 6.62 53 15 471.3

27 New Mexico 12 809 5643 6.98 56 52 470.3

28 So. California 12 881 5627 6.39 45 34 468.9

29 Texas A&M 12 877 5617 6.40 49 34 468.1

30 East Carolina 12 958 5605 5.85 39 56 467.1

31 Ole Miss 12 905 5572 6.16 44 50 464.3

32 Northern Ill. 12 949 5565 5.86 47 49 463.8

33 Memphis 12 883 5537 6.27 53 42 461.4

34 Houston 12 1009 5510 5.46 52 33 459.2

35 Navy 12 803 5476 6.82 62 45 456.3

36 Eastern Mich. 12 914 5447 5.96 44 49 453.9

37 Air Force 12 904 5418 5.99 48 42 451.5

38 Colorado St. 12 834 5412 6.49 52 44 451.0

39 Auburn 12 861 5391 6.26 43 18 449.3

40 Ball St. 12 955 5390 5.64 39 46 449.2

41 Mississippi St. 12 883 5388 6.10 46 51 449.0

42 Virginia Tech 13 1009 5827 5.78 53 38 448.2

43 Pittsburgh 12 805 5370 6.67 61 55 447.5

44 Colorado 13 1037 5802 5.59 50 31 446.3

45 North Carolina 12 784 5309 6.77 48 38 442.4

46 Syracuse 12 971 5290 5.45 39 61 440.8

47 Michigan 12 870 5272 6.06 59 18 439.3

48 Wyoming 13 927 5710 6.16 57 58 439.2

49 Troy 12 905 5263 5.82 49 34 438.6

50 Arkansas 12 858 5255 6.12 44 49 437.9

Total offense means nothing. Why do I care how many yards a team gains. Scoring offense is far more important. The fact that Miami isn't in the top 50 in total offense but scored more points per game than WVU is a clear indication that Miami has a more efficient offense than WVU.

 

[skibbyskibby]

I know that this is like talking to a post but here goes.

The 4 teams you mentioned earlier had the following offensive ratings: VT 22, FSU 28, Pitt 48, and UNC 49th.

WVU played 6 offenses rated higher than VT, your top offense: TTU 1, OU 5, Baylor 9, Missouri 17, OSU 19 and Texas 21. Facts always destroy uninformed opinions. Thanks for playing even if you suck at this.

Again, you are looking at offensive rankings based on yards gained, not points scored. Points scored is far more important.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Huh? When was the last time UF beat Miami. I'll wait.

You're on a great winning streak there... one in a row. And that was in 2013 and UF trounced Miami the game before that.

Here's a better question for you... beaten FSU lately? Going 2 for the last decade there, tough guy.

 

[skibbyskibby]

Two words for you: Notre Dame

No argument there. That's a bad loss. It's a rivalry game though, which factors in.

 

[skibbyskibby]

You're on a great winning streak there... one in a row. And that was in 2013 and UF trounced Miami the game before that.

Here's a better question for you... beaten FSU lately? Going 2 for the last decade there, tough guy.

WVU is not FSU. Not even close. WVU is closer to USF than it is to FSU.