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so, EIGHT days prior to the march this article is published...

http://bluevirginia.us/2017/08/racist-unite-right-rally-sparks-fear-violence-charlottesville-812

Dear Supporter,

Once again Charlottesville is the focus of national attention as an “alt-right” rally is scheduled for Aug. 12, bringing hate and fear to an otherwise peaceful community.

And once again people of faith are ready to rise up to meet this challenge with prayer, presence and, yes, even love.

Charlottesville survived a July protest by the Klan without serious incident, but city officials appear concerned that the coming “Unite the Right” rally could be bigger and more dangerous. Led by white supremacist Richard Spencer and local activist Jason Kessler, thousands of people could attend. The rally’s stated purpose is to protest the removal of the city’s Robert E. Lee statue from the park, recently renamed Emancipation Park. City officials have been attempting to convince Kessler to relocate his rally. Kessler has responded by hiring the Warlords motorcycle gang as his “security.”

But the statewide interfaith community is stepping up without fear of intimidation, as several events are scheduled for the coming week. At St. Paul’s Memorial Episcopal Church, across from the University of Virginia Rotunda, the Rev. Elaine Ellis Thomas issued this invitation: “We are happy to open our doors on the evening of Friday, Aug. 11, for a mass prayer meeting, much in the spirit of the old civil rights marches the night before they would gather to sing and to pray and to build community and then to go out into the world the next day to proclaim love and justice for all people.”

There will also be worship services Tuesday, Aug. 8, at 7 p.m. at University Baptist Church Monday, Aug. 10, at 7 p.m. at Westminster Presbyterian Church.

There will also be a community-wide discussion, “Countering Charlottesville’s Summer of Hate,” Monday night at Westminster Presbyterian Church. This educational event on non-violent protest will be led by Richard Lord of the Charlottesville Center for Peace and Justice and is being sponsored by Charlottesville Gathers.

First United Methodist Church will serve as a safe space on Aug. 12. For those supporters in the Charlottesville area who want to make a contribution, please bring water bottles and snacks to First UMC between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. Aug. 9-11.

United Methodist Bishop for Virginia Sharma Lewis has asked clergy serving under her leadership to join in non-violent response to the “alt-right” gathering. “With this interfaith response, we as the Virginia Conference of the United Methodist Church have the potential to be a positive influence with our ecumenical brothers and sisters,” she wrote in a letter to pastors. “We as a church need to be a visible beacon to support this community against hate.”

In a statement to NBC29 TV, Kessler said “Most of these so-called “faith leaders” are from Unitarian churches that don’t even believe in God. They’re open Communists disguising their political activity in a veneer of religiosity. They’re scam artists and should have their IRS tax exemption revoked.”

Sometimes when a small fringe group spews hate and craziness, we probably should just ignore it. Other times, like now, it is important for people of faith to stand up against those who spew hate against Jews, Muslims, people of color or others in our community.

If you have questions, visit the websites of Congregate Charlottesville or the Charlottesville Clergy Collective. The Virginia Interfaith Center appreciates all the work that has been done to organize a peaceful response to neutralize this kind of hate and not let it have the last word.

We also appreciate your support for our work. Please consider making a donation to support the programs of the Interfaith Center.

Yours in faith and solidarity,

Neill Caldwell

Director of Communications, Virginia Interfaith Center for Public Policy

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... and 5 days ago this article is published...

Charlottesville says permit for Unite the Right will be approved only if
rally is moved to McIntire Park

www.richmond.com/.../charlottesville...unite-the-right.../article_475201b0-c6d5-588f...5 days ago - “The fact that they'd try and move it away from the statue is, in itself, ... The Unite the Right rally, scheduled for noon to 5 p.m. Saturday, ...

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and last night...

Federal judge allows 'alt-right' rally to go ahead as planned - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/11/charlottesville.../560829001/
1 day ago - Charlottesville is bracing itself for yet another white nationalist rally on ... UVA reacts to white nationalist march on campus and Charlottesville clashes ..... A federal judge's ruling has cleared the way for the alt-right group "Unite the Right" and white nationalists to hold a rally in downtown Charlottesville, Va., ...

A federal judge's ruling has cleared the way for the alt-right group "Unite the Right" and white nationalists to hold a rally in downtown Charlottesville, Va., Saturday near the endangered statue of Robert E. Lee over the objections of wary city authorities.

U.S. District Judge Glen Conrad ordered a preliminary injunction late Friday night in a lawsuit filed against the city by right-wing blogger Jason Kessler.

The rally is expected to draw white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates and alt-right activists to Charlottesville’s Emancipation Park to protest the city’s vote to remove the statue of the Confederate general.

“It’s important we preserve this history that is under attack,” said Kessler, who organized the rally.

The city had tried to get organizers to move the rally to a different park. After the judge's Friday night ruling, Mayor Mike Signer, who opposed holding the rally near the Lee monument, said the city would now turn its full attention to "protecting the downtown area" during Saturday's protest.

After the ruling, far-right protesters gathered at the University of Virginia ahead of Saturday's rally. Protesters marched on the school grounds with torches, who later were ordered to disperse by university police after they declared the protest an "unlawful assembly." Images of the protest circulated on social media.

University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan issued a statement, condemning the demonstrations and confirming that law enforcement officials are investigating the incident.

"I am deeply saddened and disturbed by the hateful behavior displayed by torch-bearing protesters that marched on our Grounds this evening," Sullivan said. "I strongly condemn the unprovoked assault on members of our community, including University personnel who were attempting to maintain order."


"It is my hope that any individuals responsible for criminal acts are held accountable," Sullivan said, adding: "The violence displayed on Grounds is intolerable and is entirely inconsistent with the University’s values."

In a statement, Signer also slammed the rally, calling the protest "a cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism, and intolerance."


"Everyone has a right under the First Amendment to express their opinion peaceably, so here's mine: not only as the Mayor of Charlottesville, but as a UVA faculty member and alumnus, I am beyond disgusted by this unsanctioned and despicable display of visual intimidation on a college campus," Signer said.

In the past few months, white nationalist groups have paid particular attention to Charlottesville, a progressive college town where over 80% of residents voted for Hillary Clinton. In May, several dozen demonstrators, led by prominent white supremacist Richard Spencer, gathered at night by the Lee statue, wielding torches.


In July, Ku Klux Klan members held a rally in Charlottesville in Justice Park, where they were met with more than a thousand upset counter-protesters.

White nationalist groups continue to return to Charlottesville partly because they saw the May torch light gathering as a great success, noted Heidi Beirich, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.


“They loved the imagery of that. They were over the moon about that,” she said. “They viewed it as having been a wonderful recruiting tool.

Neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer told readers to bring tiki torches for a planned torchlight ceremony.

On Monday, the city said the rally would not be allowed to go forward unless it was moved to another park about a mile from the city’s downtown, citing safety concerns due to crowd size. Police expect anywhere between 2,000 to 6,000 people, said city police captain Victor Mitchell in a press conference Friday.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Rutherford Institute, a civil liberties organization in Charlottesville, filed suit against the city on behalf of Kessler on Thursday, saying his constitutional rights had been violated.


“While the message of the 'Unite the Right' rally may raise strong feelings of opposition among area residents and political leaders, that opposition can be no basis for government action that would suppress the First Amendment rights of demonstrators who have acted according to the law,” the organizations wrote in a joint letter to city officials on Tuesday.

Kessler, who resides in Charlottesville, said he was “absolutely not” going to change venues, regardless of the judge's ruling.

“We are going to Lee Park no matter what the outcome of the court case,” he said.


Residents described a city on edge, with helicopters circling overhead and heavy police presence.

“We are on pins and needles over here,” said David Straughn, a member of Black Lives Matter Charlottesville.

People are concerned about potential violence during clashes among protestors, counter-protestors and the police, said Jalane Schmidt, an associate professor in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of Virginia.

“It’s a tense feeling. We don’t know what’s going to happen,” she said.


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So, if EVERYONE in the U.S. KNEW this march was happening, WHY DID THEY ALLOW OTHER GROUPS TO EVEN ASSEMBLE ???

The ONLY group that filed paperwork to HAVE AN ASSEMBLY in Charlottesville yesterday was "Unite the Right".

WHY were other groups ALLOWED TO ASSEMBLE ???



Charlottesville KNEW THIS WAS POSSIBLE AND STILL ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN, THEY ARE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CONSEQUENCES.






 
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so, EIGHT days prior to the march this article is published...

http://bluevirginia.us/2017/08/racist-unite-right-rally-sparks-fear-violence-charlottesville-812

Dear Supporter,

Once again Charlottesville is the focus of national attention as an “alt-right” rally is scheduled for Aug. 12, bringing hate and fear to an otherwise peaceful community.

And once again people of faith are ready to rise up to meet this challenge with prayer, presence and, yes, even love.

Charlottesville survived a July protest by the Klan without serious incident, but city officials appear concerned that the coming “Unite the Right” rally could be bigger and more dangerous. Led by white supremacist Richard Spencer and local activist Jason Kessler, thousands of people could attend. The rally’s stated purpose is to protest the removal of the city’s Robert E. Lee statue from the park, recently renamed Emancipation Park. City officials have been attempting to convince Kessler to relocate his rally. Kessler has responded by hiring the Warlords motorcycle gang as his “security.”

But the statewide interfaith community is stepping up without fear of intimidation, as several events are scheduled for the coming week. At St. Paul’s Memorial Episcopal Church, across from the University of Virginia Rotunda, the Rev. Elaine Ellis Thomas issued this invitation: “We are happy to open our doors on the evening of Friday, Aug. 11, for a mass prayer meeting, much in the spirit of the old civil rights marches the night before they would gather to sing and to pray and to build community and then to go out into the world the next day to proclaim love and justice for all people.”

There will also be worship services Tuesday, Aug. 8, at 7 p.m. at University Baptist Church Monday, Aug. 10, at 7 p.m. at Westminster Presbyterian Church.

There will also be a community-wide discussion, “Countering Charlottesville’s Summer of Hate,” Monday night at Westminster Presbyterian Church. This educational event on non-violent protest will be led by Richard Lord of the Charlottesville Center for Peace and Justice and is being sponsored by Charlottesville Gathers.

First United Methodist Church will serve as a safe space on Aug. 12. For those supporters in the Charlottesville area who want to make a contribution, please bring water bottles and snacks to First UMC between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. Aug. 9-11.

United Methodist Bishop for Virginia Sharma Lewis has asked clergy serving under her leadership to join in non-violent response to the “alt-right” gathering. “With this interfaith response, we as the Virginia Conference of the United Methodist Church have the potential to be a positive influence with our ecumenical brothers and sisters,” she wrote in a letter to pastors. “We as a church need to be a visible beacon to support this community against hate.”

In a statement to NBC29 TV, Kessler said “Most of these so-called “faith leaders” are from Unitarian churches that don’t even believe in God. They’re open Communists disguising their political activity in a veneer of religiosity. They’re scam artists and should have their IRS tax exemption revoked.”

Sometimes when a small fringe group spews hate and craziness, we probably should just ignore it. Other times, like now, it is important for people of faith to stand up against those who spew hate against Jews, Muslims, people of color or others in our community.

If you have questions, visit the websites of Congregate Charlottesville or the Charlottesville Clergy Collective. The Virginia Interfaith Center appreciates all the work that has been done to organize a peaceful response to neutralize this kind of hate and not let it have the last word.

We also appreciate your support for our work. Please consider making a donation to support the programs of the Interfaith Center.

Yours in faith and solidarity,

Neill Caldwell

Director of Communications, Virginia Interfaith Center for Public Policy

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... and 5 days ago this article is published...

Charlottesville says permit for Unite the Right will be approved only if
rally is moved to McIntire Park

www.richmond.com/.../charlottesville...unite-the-right.../article_475201b0-c6d5-588f...5 days ago - “The fact that they'd try and move it away from the statue is, in itself, ... The Unite the Right rally, scheduled for noon to 5 p.m. Saturday, ...

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and last night...

Federal judge allows 'alt-right' rally to go ahead as planned - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/11/charlottesville.../560829001/
1 day ago - Charlottesville is bracing itself for yet another white nationalist rally on ... UVA reacts to white nationalist march on campus and Charlottesville clashes ..... A federal judge's ruling has cleared the way for the alt-right group "Unite the Right" and white nationalists to hold a rally in downtown Charlottesville, Va., ...

A federal judge's ruling has cleared the way for the alt-right group "Unite the Right" and white nationalists to hold a rally in downtown Charlottesville, Va., Saturday near the endangered statue of Robert E. Lee over the objections of wary city authorities.

U.S. District Judge Glen Conrad ordered a preliminary injunction late Friday night in a lawsuit filed against the city by right-wing blogger Jason Kessler.

The rally is expected to draw white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates and alt-right activists to Charlottesville’s Emancipation Park to protest the city’s vote to remove the statue of the Confederate general.

“It’s important we preserve this history that is under attack,” said Kessler, who organized the rally.

The city had tried to get organizers to move the rally to a different park. After the judge's Friday night ruling, Mayor Mike Signer, who opposed holding the rally near the Lee monument, said the city would now turn its full attention to "protecting the downtown area" during Saturday's protest.

After the ruling, far-right protesters gathered at the University of Virginia ahead of Saturday's rally. Protesters marched on the school grounds with torches, who later were ordered to disperse by university police after they declared the protest an "unlawful assembly." Images of the protest circulated on social media.

University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan issued a statement, condemning the demonstrations and confirming that law enforcement officials are investigating the incident.

"I am deeply saddened and disturbed by the hateful behavior displayed by torch-bearing protesters that marched on our Grounds this evening," Sullivan said. "I strongly condemn the unprovoked assault on members of our community, including University personnel who were attempting to maintain order."


"It is my hope that any individuals responsible for criminal acts are held accountable," Sullivan said, adding: "The violence displayed on Grounds is intolerable and is entirely inconsistent with the University’s values."

In a statement, Signer also slammed the rally, calling the protest "a cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism, and intolerance."


"Everyone has a right under the First Amendment to express their opinion peaceably, so here's mine: not only as the Mayor of Charlottesville, but as a UVA faculty member and alumnus, I am beyond disgusted by this unsanctioned and despicable display of visual intimidation on a college campus," Signer said.

In the past few months, white nationalist groups have paid particular attention to Charlottesville, a progressive college town where over 80% of residents voted for Hillary Clinton. In May, several dozen demonstrators, led by prominent white supremacist Richard Spencer, gathered at night by the Lee statue, wielding torches.


In July, Ku Klux Klan members held a rally in Charlottesville in Justice Park, where they were met with more than a thousand upset counter-protesters.

White nationalist groups continue to return to Charlottesville partly because they saw the May torch light gathering as a great success, noted Heidi Beirich, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.


“They loved the imagery of that. They were over the moon about that,” she said. “They viewed it as having been a wonderful recruiting tool.

Neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer told readers to bring tiki torches for a planned torchlight ceremony.

On Monday, the city said the rally would not be allowed to go forward unless it was moved to another park about a mile from the city’s downtown, citing safety concerns due to crowd size. Police expect anywhere between 2,000 to 6,000 people, said city police captain Victor Mitchell in a press conference Friday.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Rutherford Institute, a civil liberties organization in Charlottesville, filed suit against the city on behalf of Kessler on Thursday, saying his constitutional rights had been violated.


“While the message of the 'Unite the Right' rally may raise strong feelings of opposition among area residents and political leaders, that opposition can be no basis for government action that would suppress the First Amendment rights of demonstrators who have acted according to the law,” the organizations wrote in a joint letter to city officials on Tuesday.

Kessler, who resides in Charlottesville, said he was “absolutely not” going to change venues, regardless of the judge's ruling.

“We are going to Lee Park no matter what the outcome of the court case,” he said.


Residents described a city on edge, with helicopters circling overhead and heavy police presence.

“We are on pins and needles over here,” said David Straughn, a member of Black Lives Matter Charlottesville.

People are concerned about potential violence during clashes among protestors, counter-protestors and the police, said Jalane Schmidt, an associate professor in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of Virginia.

“It’s a tense feeling. We don’t know what’s going to happen,” she said.


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So, if EVERYONE in the U.S. KNEW this march was happening, WHY DID THEY ALLOW OTHER GROUPS TO EVEN ASSEMBLE ???

The ONLY group that filed paperwork to HAVE AN ASSEMBLY in Charlottesville yesterday was "Unite the Right".

WHY were other groups ALLOWED TO ASSEMBLE ???



Charlottesville KNEW THIS WAS POSSIBLE AND STILL ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN, THEY ARE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CONSEQUENCES.






How's all this workin out for ya down there 82? Nothing to see here I guess...move along...in an orderly fashion...
 
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idiots dying...

it happens everyday...

stay calm and march on...
 
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82 you have made it clear that you are clearly Alt Right or whatever you want tot call it now. Did you see the folks who were lawfully assembled dressed in military battle gear carrying weapons (legally btw most likely as open carry is legal in Va)? They obviously arrived seeking the media coverage their battle gear would garner.

I do find it Fvking disturbing that once again you fail to link a single article about he Anti-Semitic articles and emails about Charlottsville's Jewish mayor, the threats to hang the city's black vice mayor from a tree, or the alt-right bullshit about this weekends rally being a battle .."so come armed and prepared for battle." You only defend the ALT RIGHT, KKK AND THEIR BROTHERS.

You have clearly aligned yourself with these neo-nazis and you seem damn proud of it. Sickening. Your comment above about idiots dying says everything that needs to be said about you.

And sadly your friends on this board will no doubt defend your celebration of the lady killed in Charlottesville as part of the struggle.
 
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82 you have made it clear that you are clearly Alt Right or whatever you want tot call it now. Did you see the folks who were lawfully assembled dressed in military battle gear carrying weapons (legally btw most likely as open carry is legal in Va)? They obviously arrived seeking the media coverage their battle gear would garner.

I do find it Fvking disturbing that once again you fail to link a single article about he Anti-Semitic articles and emails about Charlottsville's Jewish mayor, the threats to hang the city's black vice mayor from a tree, or the alt-right bullshit about this weekends rally being a battle .."so come armed and prepared for battle." You only defend the ALT RIGHT, KKK AND THEIR BROTHERS.

You have clearly aligned yourself with these neo-nazis and you seem damn proud of it. Sickening. Your comment above about idiots dying says everything that needs to be said about you.

And sadly your friends on this board will no doubt defend your celebration of the lady killed in Charlottesville as part of the struggle.
Are you this outraged when violence happens at BLM events (see Dallas a year ago when 5 people were shot and killed).

Are you outraged by statements that mention a race as being sub-human, having genetic defects, and should be wiped out? Those are attributed to a BLM leader.

If you said 'no' to any of those questions then you just might be a hypocrite.
 
82 you have made it clear that you are clearly Alt Right or whatever you want tot call it now. Did you see the folks who were lawfully assembled dressed in military battle gear carrying weapons (legally btw most likely as open carry is legal in Va)? They obviously arrived seeking the media coverage their battle gear would garner.

I do find it Fvking disturbing that once again you fail to link a single article about he Anti-Semitic articles and emails about Charlottsville's Jewish mayor, the threats to hang the city's black vice mayor from a tree, or the alt-right bullshit about this weekends rally being a battle .."so come armed and prepared for battle." You only defend the ALT RIGHT, KKK AND THEIR BROTHERS.

You have clearly aligned yourself with these neo-nazis and you seem damn proud of it. Sickening. Your comment above about idiots dying says everything that needs to be said about you.

And sadly your friends on this board will no doubt defend your celebration of the lady killed in Charlottesville as part of the struggle.
How do we identify one group from the other? Media was striving very hard to name a group, but I was an occasional viewer on the TV of people fighting. They didn't bare a uniform nor display colors to distinguish the good from the bad. The media gave names of groups, but I still could not make a distinction looking on TV.

After a few hours they talked of Robert E. Lee statues that had been displayed for decades. It was suggested that someone, after all these years, was offended by that statue. Still could not distinguish between the combatants as to who was doing what to whom. I saw groups actively engaged in fights and I could not make a distinction as to who was the good guys and who was the bad guys. Hell, they all looked alike to me. When the skirmish was broken and they retreated to the side, how did they know which side to retreat to. They still looked alike to me. After watching for a few hours, it got a bit boring and I turned my TV off, still not knowing who was winning or who was losing. I never did figure out which side was which, and having no interest in the sides, I was just wasting time.

Can someone tell me what interest I should have had in the issues they were trying so damned hard to defend? Did/should I have an interest in what they were so pissed about.
 
Are you this outraged when violence happens at BLM events (see Dallas a year ago when 5 people were shot and killed).

Are you outraged by statements that mention a race as being sub-human, having genetic defects, and should be wiped out? Those are attributed to a BLM leader.

If you said 'no' to any of those questions then you just might be a hypocrite.
Rog, I could distinguish the good from the bad in that situation, because you only had one group participating. They were obviously pissed at the property and attempted to break and burn it. Where was one of yesterday's teams that would oppose the other group who was holding practice several months ago. If they ever got it on, I don't think I would have a problem distinguishing the teams.
 
How do we identify one group from the other? Media was striving very hard to name a group, but I was an occasional viewer on the TV of people fighting. They didn't bare a uniform nor display colors to distinguish the good from the bad. The media gave names of groups, but I still could not make a distinction looking on TV.

After a few hours they talked of Robert E. Lee statues that had been displayed for decades. It was suggested that someone, after all these years, was offended by that statue. Still could not distinguish between the combatants as to who was doing what to whom. I saw groups actively engaged in fights and I could not make a distinction as to who was the good guys and who was the bad guys. Hell, they all looked alike to me. When the skirmish was broken and they retreated to the side, how did they know which side to retreat to. They still looked alike to me. After watching for a few hours, it got a bit boring and I turned my TV off, still not knowing who was winning or who was losing. I never did figure out which side was which, and having no interest in the sides, I was just wasting time.

Can someone tell me what interest I should have had in the issues they were trying so damned hard to defend? Did/should I have an interest in what they were so pissed about.
If you couldn't distinguish between the people carrying Nazi flags, wearing Nazi symbols and other white nationalist symbols with the other people present, I'm not sure how much help you can receive here. Good luck on your quest.
 
How do we identify one group from the other? Media was striving very hard to name a group, but I was an occasional viewer on the TV of people fighting. They didn't bare a uniform nor display colors to distinguish the good from the bad. The media gave names of groups, but I still could not make a distinction looking on TV.

After a few hours they talked of Robert E. Lee statues that had been displayed for decades. It was suggested that someone, after all these years, was offended by that statue. Still could not distinguish between the combatants as to who was doing what to whom. I saw groups actively engaged in fights and I could not make a distinction as to who was the good guys and who was the bad guys. Hell, they all looked alike to me. When the skirmish was broken and they retreated to the side, how did they know which side to retreat to. They still looked alike to me. After watching for a few hours, it got a bit boring and I turned my TV off, still not knowing who was winning or who was losing. I never did figure out which side was which, and having no interest in the sides, I was just wasting time.

Can someone tell me what interest I should have had in the issues they were trying so damned hard to defend? Did/should I have an interest in what they were so pissed about.

The Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville was commissioned in 1917 and put up in 1924. You act like nobody has been offended by it for all these years and now suddenly they are. Instead people have been offended by it for 100 years but the people in power were able to put it in place and keep it there against the wishes of anyone that was offended.
 
Are you this outraged when violence happens at BLM events (see Dallas a year ago when 5 people were shot and killed).

Are you outraged by statements that mention a race as being sub-human, having genetic defects, and should be wiped out? Those are attributed to a BLM leader.

If you said 'no' to any of those questions then you just might be a hypocrite.

I noticed you haven't received an answer.

How shocking.
 
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Are you this outraged when violence happens at BLM events (see Dallas a year ago when 5 people were shot and killed).

Are you outraged by statements that mention a race as being sub-human, having genetic defects, and should be wiped out? Those are attributed to a BLM leader.

If you said 'no' to any of those questions then you just might be a hypocrite.

Where the F have you been? BLM maybe started as a legit cause/movement but was quickly derailed into a vehicle for asshats to riot. I have critical from the beginning. I was critical of Obamas support of the group even after they deviated from their initial cause. I was critical of Obama for not supporting police and I was highly critical of HRCs embrace of the group. I am extremely conservative when it comes to law and order and have been my entire life.
 
If you couldn't distinguish between the people carrying Nazi flags, wearing Nazi symbols and other white nationalist symbols with the other people present, I'm not sure how much help you can receive here. Good luck on your quest.

Yep, but Antifa was the ones with their faces covered and throwing rocks, bricks, and spraying mace. Hmm, how bow dat.
 
If you couldn't distinguish between the people carrying Nazi flags, wearing Nazi symbols and other white nationalist symbols with the other people present, I'm not sure how much help you can receive here. Good luck on your quest.
Don't be an ass. I didn't see anyone "wearing Nazi symbols" engaged in altercation. Interested in participants. Only interested in those with enough investment to fight. Flagbearing gawkers - not interested in your identifying . Those standing and holding stuff were different from those engage in physical contact and throwing from both sides.
 
See, I get it now. The right's crazies are part of our tribe, we own them. However, the left doesn't own their's in their tribe.
 
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If you couldn't distinguish between the people carrying Nazi flags, wearing Nazi symbols and other white nationalist symbols with the other people present, I'm not sure how much help you can receive here. Good luck on your quest.

I'm some videos it's impossible to tell. Both sides like using, what appear to be, baseball batting helmets and Larping shields and swords.
 
See, I get it now. The right's crazies are part of our tribe, we own them. However, the left doesn't own their's in their tribe.

No your failure to criticize conservatives who are intolerant and bigoted places YOU squarely in their tribe. I am a strong and vocal supporter of police but that doesn't stop me from criticizing them when the f up like the did yesterday when they failed to keep the groups apart.
 
I'm some videos it's impossible to tell. Both sides like using, what appear to be, baseball batting helmets and Larping shields and swords.
I didn't have any problem distinguishing the nazis from antifa, or other counter protestors. Maybe I'm just that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I didn't have any problem distinguishing the nazis from antifa, or other counter protestors. Maybe I'm just that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's what I'm talking about. I'm guessing in this photo the "Right" is on the left and the "Left" is on the right, and that's solely based on the guy with the goatee rockin the fedora that's 2 sizes too small.

And even though I appreciate the Blue & Gold umbrella making an appearance (gotta combat UV rays while combating protesters) I think from here on out we need to demand some clearer indication of what side of batshit crazy you are on.

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No your failure to criticize conservatives who are intolerant and bigoted places YOU squarely in their tribe. I am a strong and vocal supporter of police but that doesn't stop me from criticizing them when the f up like the did yesterday when they failed to keep the groups apart.

Liar. I was first conservative to reply to you.
http://"https://westvirginia.forums...arches-in-charlottsville.150761/#post-1619376
any of you main stream republicans want to condemn the neo-nazi marches in Charlottsville?
 
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The Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville was commissioned in 1917 and put up in 1924. You act like nobody has been offended by it for all these years and now suddenly they are. Instead people have been offended by it for 100 years but the people in power were able to put it in place and keep it there against the wishes of anyone that was offended.
Opie, that is a long time for anyone to hold a grudge. I have lived a good part of my life in the South, and never heard anyone say they have "been offended by it for all these years". Particularly I have definitely not seen anyone who elected to physically act on their feelings. Absolutely did not see anyone who was near a hundred years old fighting for feelings they had since 1917.

I do hope that the entire South does not rise again and choose to act on their feelings of losing the war. That one is allowed to hold a grudge for so long and then act on it when enough backing can be attracted doesn't appear to be right. I know some of the people are still upset that they had to change their thinking about the South. Some still fly the flag, but I have not heard of any who want to stir the thought of defecting again. That would be terrible. They are just required to control their inner feelings. And, that would be the proper way to react, move on with life and make your own personal place.

I hated all of the Statues in New Orleans had to be removed. The Robert E. Lee statue was impressive. I had different thoughts ever time I went by it, but thoughts I did have. It was imposing. In the end, I just guess how difficult life must have been. Of course some had it rougher than others. Tried not to dwell on anything other than it was a difficult time and we have come a long way.

Only one remains and I wonder what they will do about Jackson Square. It is a special place with a bit of economy in the surroundings. Hopefully everyone can look beyond and let it remain in tact.
 
I didn't have any problem distinguishing the nazis from antifa, or other counter protestors. Maybe I'm just that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is this some of your talk, or can you really distinguish the difference when they are engaged? They still look the same to me. No distinguishing colors nor markings.
 
No your failure to criticize conservatives who are intolerant and bigoted places YOU squarely in their tribe. I am a strong and vocal supporter of police but that doesn't stop me from criticizing them when the f up like the did yesterday when they failed to keep the groups apart.

Why do you condemn conservatives who are intolerant and bigoted when you yourself is intolerant and bigoted. You are what you preach against.
 
82 you have made it clear that you are clearly Alt Right or whatever you want tot call it now. Did you see the folks who were lawfully assembled dressed in military battle gear carrying weapons (legally btw most likely as open carry is legal in Va)? They obviously arrived seeking the media coverage their battle gear would garner.

I do find it Fvking disturbing that once again you fail to link a single article about he Anti-Semitic articles and emails about Charlottsville's Jewish mayor, the threats to hang the city's black vice mayor from a tree, or the alt-right bullshit about this weekends rally being a battle .."so come armed and prepared for battle." You only defend the ALT RIGHT, KKK AND THEIR BROTHERS.

You have clearly aligned yourself with these neo-nazis and you seem damn proud of it. Sickening. Your comment above about idiots dying says everything that needs to be said about you.

And sadly your friends on this board will no doubt defend your celebration of the lady killed in Charlottesville as part of the struggle.

He applauded the assassination of Dr. King........just saying.
 
Opie, that is a long time for anyone to hold a grudge. I have lived a good part of my life in the South, and never heard anyone say they have "been offended by it for all these years". Particularly I have definitely not seen anyone who elected to physically act on their feelings. Absolutely did not see anyone who was near a hundred years old fighting for feelings they had since 1917.

I do hope that the entire South does not rise again and choose to act on their feelings of losing the war. That one is allowed to hold a grudge for so long and then act on it when enough backing can be attracted doesn't appear to be right. I know some of the people are still upset that they had to change their thinking about the South. Some still fly the flag, but I have not heard of any who want to stir the thought of defecting again. That would be terrible. They are just required to control their inner feelings. And, that would be the proper way to react, move on with life and make your own personal place.

I hated all of the Statues in New Orleans had to be removed. The Robert E. Lee statue was impressive. I had different thoughts ever time I went by it, but thoughts I did have. It was imposing. In the end, I just guess how difficult life must have been. Of course some had it rougher than others. Tried not to dwell on anything other than it was a difficult time and we have come a long way.

Only one remains and I wonder what they will do about Jackson Square. It is a special place with a bit of economy in the surroundings. Hopefully everyone can look beyond and let it remain in tact.

It's not a matter of "holding a grudge." It's not like they put the statue up for awhile years ago then took it down and today people are still pissed off about it. They put it up and they left it up despite the fact that they knew it was a thumb in the eye of a lot of people. It's only now, after many years of it being up, that the people for whom it's a thumb in the eye are getting the leverage to have it taken down. It should have been taken down long ago. Or better yet it should never have been put up in the first place.

Suppose some suggested today that we should put up a statue of Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis or whoever in the local town square. Would it gain any traction? Of course not. It's simply offensive and unpatriotic to put up statues of people that tried to keep make a separate country on US soil so that they would be able to continue keeping other people as slaves. Just because an offensive and unpatriotic statue has been up for a long time is no reason to keep it up.
 
Why do you condemn conservatives who are intolerant and bigoted when you yourself is intolerant and bigoted. You are what you preach against.

If being intolerant of brokers of hate is a bad thing, I'm guilt as charged. I can't stand David Duke, KKK, Nation of Islam and leader Louis Farrakhan or radical Islam. I M sure I wouldn't have liked the Black Panthers of the 60s and 70s. I certainly called out the Black Lives Matter movement for encouraging hate. I think Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and for that matter Hillary Clinton are generally self-serving activists that offer little in the way of real solution. I have no respect for dem leaders who offer little hope for the poor or for that matter, any lawmaker who votes only along party lines. So how is that for a start? I am intolerant of global warming alarmist and industrialist that have no care for the environment. I support Blue Lives Matter but strongly believe officers who cross the line deserve to be charged and convicted. I believe we need to be harsh on criminal illegals but tolerant regarding law abiding, working illegals. And as I have said many times as a country we went to far left for the nations comfort and we are witnessing the pushback from the far right.

So yes I am intolerant. In the literal definition of the word, I am a bigot. Certainly I a not bigoted racially, sexually, or religiously, but a bigot nonetheless.
 
How do we identify one group from the other? Media was striving very hard to name a group, but I was an occasional viewer on the TV of people fighting. They didn't bare a uniform nor display colors to distinguish the good from the bad. The media gave names of groups, but I still could not make a distinction looking on TV.

After a few hours they talked of Robert E. Lee statues that had been displayed for decades. It was suggested that someone, after all these years, was offended by that statue. Still could not distinguish between the combatants as to who was doing what to whom. I saw groups actively engaged in fights and I could not make a distinction as to who was the good guys and who was the bad guys. Hell, they all looked alike to me. When the skirmish was broken and they retreated to the side, how did they know which side to retreat to. They still looked alike to me. After watching for a few hours, it got a bit boring and I turned my TV off, still not knowing who was winning or who was losing. I never did figure out which side was which, and having no interest in the sides, I was just wasting time.

Can someone tell me what interest I should have had in the issues they were trying so damned hard to defend? Did/should I have an interest in what they were so pissed about.

Well, i am against the Stars and Bars flag. I actually think it is a cool flag but once hate groups adopted it, it needed to go from from State houses and main stream America. I sort of feel the same way about the statues. I live in Richmond. As a Civil War buff, I always thought the statues were cool and nobody seemed to mind them until recently. I can see why they could be offensive obviously but African Americans in Richmond never seemed very bothered. We have statues of Mr. Bojangles, Maggie Walker, and Arthur Ashe too. Seems to me that the far left whites wants the Confererate statues gone......maybe they will feel less guilt? I don't know. I say let the people who live in the cities and towns decide. If the people of Charlottsville or Richmond want to get rid of their Confederate statues, so be it.

But where does it stop? George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves......do we cleanse America of all things Washington and Jefferson?
 
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