So nice to have a President with resolve again

[bornaneer]

Sorry buddy. I'm not so self conscious as to worry about strangers trying to insult me.

The last America needs is to expand our role in Middle East conflicts. This applies even more to involving ourselves in a civil war that one side is clearly going to win. It won't stop Assad from killing civilians.

I never tried to insult you "buddy"....The fact is that you do indeed hate anything President Trump. I do question peoples IQ that change their stand on issues based on politics and especially people that interject topics like Stormy,Comey's book,RNC abortion payments and Michael Cohen. Any fair and open minded person on this board knows exactly what you are.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Anti-Mountaineer screen names disgust me. Support this great university of ours, or get the fvck out of our db......d-b

Surprised to see you posting today. No protests for you to get involved with today? Not saying you're gay, but you might be.

 

[Boomboom521]

Surprised to see you posting today. No protests for you to get involved with today? Not saying you're gay, but you might be.

If I was, I’d have absolutely no problem declaring it to someone like you. And I might just find the next gay pride demonstration and participate in honor of you.

To think that was an insult to me is foolish. Unicorns are both male and female, did you know that?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

It is quite debatable.

Ok, then provide your tangible rebuttals. I’d love to read them as I’m sure everyone else here would as well.

 

[WVU82]

 

[WVU82]

 

[MichiganHerd]

If I was, I’d have absolutely no problem declaring it to someone like you. And I might just find the next gay pride demonstration and participate in honor of you.

To think that was an insult to me is foolish. Unicorns are both male and female, did you know that?

A real knee jerker. Damn, you're good. Late night comedy material for sure.

 

[WVU82]

Trump is now colluding with England & France...

can't wait for the dossier...

 

[Boomerwv]

I never tried to insult you "buddy"....The fact is that you do indeed hate anything President Trump. I do question peoples IQ that change their stand on issues based on politics and especially people that interject topics like Stormy,Comey's book,RNC abortion payments and Michael Cohen. Any fair and open minded person on this board knows exactly what you are.

What stances did I change?

 

[Brushy Bill]

What stances did I change?

The one where you used to stand to take a piss but now you sit like your pussyhat wearing brethren.

 

[Boomerwv]

The one where you used to stand to take a piss but now you sit like your pussyhat wearing brethren.

As much as you compensate I'm pretty sure you've mouthed up to your share of truck stop glory holes.

 

[WVU82]

 

[Brushy Bill]

As much as you compensate I'm pretty sure you've mouthed up to your share of truck stop glory holes.

You keep thinking that I'm "compensating" if it makes you feel better.

 

[Boomerwv]

Ok, then provide your tangible rebuttals. I’d love to read them as I’m sure everyone else here would as well.

I'm not sure what points you made for me to rebut. All you said was that things are great. Maybe you're happy with it, but I'm not. Allies are openly questioning our intentions, we don't speak with a single voice in policy. Maybe Tillerson was the problem, but I think it was the fact that Trump seems to just make up policy on the fly and loves to undermine what many of this cabinet secretaries try to do. We also continue to make the same mistakes, ones that he himself railed against before he was President. Last nights attacks are a perfect example. What was the point? We did all of that and today Assad is right back at work and free to kill all the people he wants to. Is there really a difference between killing people with chlorine and killing them with a conventional munition? The area where the gas attack took place has been being bombed nonstop for months and not a peep was even made. Russia still has it's puppet in place and the region is still destabilized. There is also still a refuge crisis that Trump clearly doesn't give a **** about. We made it look like we are being tough, but this attack won't slow them down at all.


What did we accomplish last night? We gave further proof to North Korea, Iran, and anyone else watching that the best way to make sure that the United States doesn't come by and start launching missile at you is to get nukes as fast as possible.

The best thing we could do in this region is to support allies and ignore the rest. If any of them threaten us or house terrorists, then go nuts. Knock them out. But getting involved in the Syrian civil war is a no-win deal.

 

[MountaineerWV]

....But getting involved in the Syrian civil war is a no-win deal.

But that policy worked so well in Vietnam.........

 

[Brushy Bill]

But that policy worked so well in Vietnam.........

Glad to see you turds like to see little children dead from chemical weapons attacks.
Also...

 

[atlkvb]

It is quite debatable.

There is something wrong with you. It's like if anyone ever points out something to you that runs counter your Liberal orthodoxy you just deny,deny,deny, almost as if by wrote or reflex.

Seek help Dude.

 

[atlkvb]

Sorry buddy. I'm not so self conscious as to worry about strangers trying to insult me.

The last America needs is to expand our role in Middle East conflicts. This applies even more to involving ourselves in a civil war that one side is clearly going to win. It won't stop Assad from killing civilians.

So you were opposed to the so called "Arab Spring" of the last administration?

How'd that work out for us?

You're priceless.

 

[atlkvb]

But that policy worked so well in Vietnam.........

Vietnam wasn't a "Civil war". It was a fight between Socialist Communism and Democratic freedom. Ho Chi Minh who was an avowed radical Socialist Communist ran North Vietnam and President General Nguyễn Văn Thiệu was the duly elected leader of South Vietnam, and he was also a free enterprise Capitalist. It wasn't a "Civil War". They weren't fighting against each other, they were fighting for Freedom vs living under Socialist tyranny. Similar to the way North and South Korea are arranged in opposition to each other today, one Communist Socialist, the other Free market Capitalism.

You probably favored the Socialists in each dispute:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_conflict

Communist North Korea vs Capitalist South Korea at night from space

 

[atlkvb]

This was the electoral map following the 1972 Presidential election the last time a Democrat recommended we precipitously withdraw from a strategic regional conflict.

Calling for immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Vietnam, George McGovern's 1972 Presidential Campaign lost 49 of 50 states to Richard Nixon.

Let crazy historically ignorant myopic Leftists continue to call for our withdrawal from engagement in the Middle East. I'd love to see this map following Trump's 2020 campaign.kay:

 

[atlkvb]

I'm not sure what points you made for me to rebut. All you said was that things are great. Maybe you're happy with it, but I'm not. Allies are openly questioning our intentions, we don't speak with a single voice in policy. Maybe Tillerson was the problem, but I think it was the fact that Trump seems to just make up policy on the fly and loves to undermine what many of this cabinet secretaries try to do. We also continue to make the same mistakes, ones that he himself railed against before he was President. Last nights attacks are a perfect example. What was the point? We did all of that and today Assad is right back at work and free to kill all the people he wants to. Is there really a difference between killing people with chlorine and killing them with a conventional munition? The area where the gas attack took place has been being bombed nonstop for months and not a peep was even made. Russia still has it's puppet in place and the region is still destabilized. There is also still a refuge crisis that Trump clearly doesn't give a **** about. We made it look like we are being tough, but this attack won't slow them down at all.


What did we accomplish last night? We gave further proof to North Korea, Iran, and anyone else watching that the best way to make sure that the United States doesn't come by and start launching missile at you is to get nukes as fast as possible.

The best thing we could do in this region is to support allies and ignore the rest. If any of them threaten us or house terrorists, then go nuts. Knock them out. But getting involved in the Syrian civil war is a no-win deal.

I just categorically disagree with virtually your entire assessment of our involvement. You are correct Assad is still in power, but he saw how powerless the Russians were to prevent him from being removed if he continues to use chemical Warfare. Doing nothing would have given him the green light to continue his murderous genocide, completely opposite of your take!

The Russians have also been effectively cut off from the region, and their allies in Iran with its insurgent mercenaries now see Russia is an unreliable & weak partner in the fight against Israel. Iran wanted to use Syria as a proxy to stage attacks against Israel in preparation for a final assault with Nuclear weapons.(Thanks to Obama) Now it's entire West flank has been exposed, clearing the way for Israel to take out Iran's nuclear capability and the Russians will be totally helpless as an ally stopping them! That's HUGE.

Russia has been exposed as a weak strategic partner to both Iran and Syria. Assad's hold on power is tenuous at best, and the United States with its coalition are the new power brokers in the Middle East. In one military operation, Trump has reconfigured the entire geo-strategic equation in the region...where Obama had left us weak and following behind the Russians who were rapidly consolidating their hegemony using Iran as their chief ally.

What do the Russians have to offer Iran now? Thanks to Trump, both (Russia and Iran) are now isolated in the region, and the path has been cleared for Israel to take out Iranian Nukes without worrying about radical Islamic counter attacks from Syria backed by Russians and Iranians. Hezbollah, Isis, and all radical Muslims on both sides of the Syrian Shiite/Sunni dispute are emasculated. America is the dominant power in the region once again. Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger, unable to effect results of its strategic policy objectives there. Israel is more secure, Iran is now vulnerable and open to attack. Syria is a non factor for either (Russia or Iran)

Wake up Man!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'm not sure what points you made for me to rebut. All you said was that things are great. Maybe you're happy with it, but I'm not. Allies are openly questioning our intentions, we don't speak with a single voice in policy. Maybe Tillerson was the problem, but I think it was the fact that Trump seems to just make up policy on the fly and loves to undermine what many of this cabinet secretaries try to do. We also continue to make the same mistakes, ones that he himself railed against before he was President. Last nights attacks are a perfect example. What was the point? We did all of that and today Assad is right back at work and free to kill all the people he wants to. Is there really a difference between killing people with chlorine and killing them with a conventional munition? The area where the gas attack took place has been being bombed nonstop for months and not a peep was even made. Russia still has it's puppet in place and the region is still destabilized. There is also still a refuge crisis that Trump clearly doesn't give a **** about. We made it look like we are being tough, but this attack won't slow them down at all.


What did we accomplish last night? We gave further proof to North Korea, Iran, and anyone else watching that the best way to make sure that the United States doesn't come by and start launching missile at you is to get nukes as fast as possible.

The best thing we could do in this region is to support allies and ignore the rest. If any of them threaten us or house terrorists, then go nuts. Knock them out. But getting involved in the Syrian civil war is a no-win deal.

I made that the claim that at present the country is better now than when he was elected as measured by any tangible metric you want to point to. Feel free to refute anything you like. Pick a metric and explain its significance to the nation and how it’s worse.

You brought up Syria. You positioning the discussion like Trump was the one who allowed that place to go to shit, like he is the one who had zero resolve, like he is the one who put in troops to begin with, and like this is a continued strategy. Ok, so you’re wrong on all of that. Also, Fri night was a strike, not a campaign. If Assad does it again, we’ll go bigger and escalate the impact of the strike. It’s entirely on Assad.

Also, don’t forget, we’re in active combat operations in about 30+ countries right now that St. Barry involved us in as the world burned down around him, Rice, Kerry, and Clinton.

 

[bornaneer]

But that policy worked so well in Vietnam.........

You idiot.....there were TWO Vietnam's....it was not a "civil" war......ever heard of the "Domino" theory. But.....I will say that we had NO business being there. I'll support our President until he sends more ground troops into Syria.

 

[bornaneer]

1. Allies are openly questioning our intentions, we don't speak with a single voice in policy.
2. The best thing we could do in this region is to support allies and ignore the rest. If any of them threaten us or house terrorists, then go nuts. Knock them out.

1. Really???? I'm pretty sure that our major allies took part in the action. Germany did not...but.. voiced support and said we did the right thing.
2. Totally agree.....same policy I have supported on this board since the day I came on.

 

[Archetype XLIV]

Tell me more about Stormy Daniels

Sure. Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000. If Trump paid Stormy Daniels $130,000, it just further proves what a fantastic negotiator Donnie Big Balls is.

Also, the JASSMs they loaded into those B-1s that subsequently wrecked the shit out of Damascus make me warm with Freedom. We can put out the lights of anyone, anytime, anywhere. The videos I've watched of their destruction were beautiful, and they should probably show it in theaters. The film would win an Oscar:

It's also time to start hating on Russia again.

What a great time to be alive. :americanflag:

 

[atlkvb]

the JASSMs they loaded into those B-1s that subsequently wrecked the shit out of Damascus make me warm with Freedom

Can you please tell us some more about these? Thanks[thumb2]

 

[atlkvb]

Rice, Kerry, and Clinton.

 

[Archetype XLIV]

Can you please tell us some more about these? Thanks[thumb2]

Oh, they're wonderful instruments of Freedom Delivery made by the skilled hands of the residents of Troy, Alabama straight to the doorstep of Damascus:

"Nineteen missiles fired outside Syrian airspace by two B-1B bombers targeted the Barzah Research and Development Center located in the greater Damascus area. Those Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missiles, or JASSMs, joined 57 RaytheonCo. Tomahawks that Pentagon officials also said targeted the site.

Produced at a Lockheed plant in Troy, Alabama, the JASSM has a low radar cross-section that makes it difficult to detect and is designed to penetrate as far as 200 miles (322 km) into an adversary’s territory. The extended version fired late Friday night U.S. time can fly more than 500 miles.

Tracking a pre-planned route from launch to target using Global Positioning Satellites and an internal navigation system, the missile is designed to strike with a 1,000-pound penetrating warhead.

While Pentagon officials didn’t specifically single out the JASSMs performance in their briefing on Saturday, the “before” and “after” photos of the chemical-weapons facility provided by the Pentagon suggested they were effective."

http://fortune.com/2018/04/14/lockheed-martin-jassm-missile-syria/

 

[Archetype XLIV]

Can you please tell us some more about these? Thanks[thumb2]

And also: we're just getting started. Russia is talking about their warnings being ignored . . . Look, WE are the warning, WE are the threat.

Haley warns Assad: Trump 'watching,' US work in Syria 'not done'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...trump-watching-us-work-in-syria-not-done.html

 

[atlkvb]

Oh, they're wonderful instruments of Freedom Delivery made by the skilled hands of the residents of Troy, Alabama straight to the doorstep of Damascus:

"Nineteen missiles fired outside Syrian airspace by two B-1B bombers targeted the Barzah Research and Development Center located in the greater Damascus area. Those Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missiles, or JASSMs, joined 57 RaytheonCo. Tomahawks that Pentagon officials also said targeted the site.

Produced at a Lockheed plant in Troy, Alabama, the JASSM has a low radar cross-section that makes it difficult to detect and is designed to penetrate as far as 200 miles (322 km) into an adversary’s territory. The extended version fired late Friday night U.S. time can fly more than 500 miles.

Tracking a pre-planned route from launch to target using Global Positioning Satellites and an internal navigation system, the missile is designed to strike with a 1,000-pound penetrating warhead.

While Pentagon officials didn’t specifically single out the JASSMs performance in their briefing on Saturday, the “before” and “after” photos of the chemical-weapons facility provided by the Pentagon suggested they were effective."

http://fortune.com/2018/04/14/lockheed-martin-jassm-missile-syria/

Nicekay:
(I hope that little Godless 'nip' Kim Jong Un was also watching Communist Network News) for a little pre-ass kickin' sample for himself if he doesn't dismantle his worthless misguided firecrackers!

I love what Freedom produces, and those folks down there in Alabama who you mentioned as assemblers of the defenders of our Freedom are doing the Lord's work. Thanks for sharing!

 

[atlkvb]

And also: we're just getting started. Russia is talking about their warnings being ignored . . . Look, WE are the warning, WE are the threat.

Haley warns Assad: Trump 'watching,' US work in Syria 'not done'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...trump-watching-us-work-in-syria-not-done.html

BTW...beautiful sig pic of you and your Newlywed Bride...my pic you see there is also with my Bride of now 36 years who is as smokin' hot today as she was back in 1979 when we first met!

Ecclesiasticus-26-1/Blessed is the man that hath a virtuous wife, for the number of his days shall be double.A virtuous woman rejoiceth her husband, and he shall fulfill the years of his life in peace. A good wife is a good portion, which shall be given in the portion of them that fear the Lord

Congratulations! You have a ways to go to catch me, but the journey will be worth it for you! She's a Doll.

God Bless!

 

[Archetype XLIV]

Some things of note to direct your attention to with the Syria strikes:






Multiple sources say that the Iranians, Syrians, and Hezbollah fled their positions before the strikes. I'm having a feeling that there are GCC commandos operating very close to the strikes. Precision and coordination are that good.

 

[Archetype XLIV]

BTW...beautiful sig pic of you and your Newlywed Bride...my pic you see there is also with my Bride of now 36 years who is as smokin' hot today as she was back in 1979 when we first met!

Ecclesiasticus-26-1/Blessed is the man that hath a virtuous wife, for the number of his days shall be double.A virtuous woman rejoiceth her husband, and he shall fulfill the years of his life in peace. A good wife is a good portion, which shall be given in the portion of them that fear the Lord

Congratulations! You have a ways to go to catch me, but the journey will be worth it for you! She's a Doll.

God Bless!

Thank you sir for your kind words, God Bless.

 

[atlkvb]

Some things of note to direct your attention to with the Syria strikes:

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Multiple sources say that the Iranians, Syrians, and Hezbollah fled their positions before the strikes. I'm having a feeling that there are GCC commandos operating very close to the strikes. Precision and coordination are that good.

@Boomerwv , please read @Archetype XLIV post #72. You may learn how effective this operation was instead of believing what you posted in #54 of this thread! That's some very important strategic advantages the US coalition has carved out for itself and it directly contradicts what you posted.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You idiot.....there were TWO Vietnam's....it was not a "civil" war......ever heard of the "Domino" theory. But.....I will say that we had NO business being there. I'll support our President until he sends more ground troops into Syria.

1. Domino theory proved to be false......

2. There were two Vietnams, but not in the eyes of North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh.......thus the reason they invaded the south.......the Geneva Accords were just a way for the Viet Minh to buy more time to prepare for their plans........

 

[atlkvb]

1. Domino theory proved to be false......

2. There were two Vietnams, but not in the eyes of North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh.......thus the reason they invaded the south.......the Geneva Accords were just a way for the Viet Minh to buy more time to prepare for their plans........

How can you have a "Civil war" if one side 'invades' the other?

Civil wars are fought within territories among members of the same nation, not the result of one side or nation invading the other! Which country 'invaded' the Confederacy in 1861 MWV?

 

[atlkvb]

There were two Vietnams,

Correct! South Vietnam was a sovereign State that was under attack from another hostile nation to the North. So how was that a "Civil War" to the sovereign South Vietnamese Government MWV?

Domino theory proved to be false.

No it didn't. We prevented it from becoming a fast reality by confronting the Viet Cong as we did!

Laos, Cambodia and much of Indo China did in fact eventually turn Red, but we prevented a rapid deterioration that would have resulted in much more aggressive expansion of Chinese Communism in Thailand & across the entire South Pacific without our intervention in the Vietnam conflict.

China today still has those same designs on the region btw!

 

[bornaneer]

1. Domino theory proved to be false......

2. There were two Vietnams, but not in the eyes of North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh.......thus the reason they invaded the south.......the Geneva Accords were just a way for the Viet Minh to buy more time to prepare for their plans........

1. Hindsight is fantastic.......but the "Domino" theory was the reason for our involvement
2. A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country. One country ...North Vietnam invaded another country .....South Vietnam. Yes...we know that the North had support in the South but the North was the instigator and cause for the conflict. We also know the the South had supporters in the North....but the South NEVER invaded the North.

 

[MountaineerWV]

1. Hindsight is fantastic.......but the "Domino" theory was the reason for our involvement
2. A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country. One country ...North Vietnam invaded another country .....South Vietnam. Yes...we know that the North had support in the South but the North was the instigator and cause for the conflict. We also know the the South had supporters in the North....but the South NEVER invaded the North.

You stated the definition of a "civil war". The VC were in South Vietnam, and were the main fighters......thus, it was a civil war in many parts.......

 

[bornaneer]

You stated the definition of a "civil war". The VC were in South Vietnam, and were the main fighters......thus, it was a civil war in many parts.......

How old were you during the Vietnam conflict? The VC had ZERO chance of success without the backing,training and support of the North. To term that conflict "a civil war" is beyond absurd.