Oliver Luck hired by B12.
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With the B12 needing the teams to stick together and not jump a sinking ship, I think WVU could be in a precarious position with Ollie leading the way. He will definitely take care of WVU, but he will also be listened to by other conferences with his options. No guarantee, but his reputation get the meeting for sure.
I think he gets Pac12 to merge with Big 12 and add UCF, UC, etc… create an East and west coast division. Be the first mega conference to be a national conference.
I think he gets Pac12 to merge with Big 12 and add UCF, UC, etc… create an East and west coast division. Be the first mega conference to be a national conference.
Or...he navigates a merger with the AAC that retains P5 status for Big 12 and an acceptable media payout.
IMO, if there were any options for WVU individually he wouldn't have taken the job...seems like we are stuck on a sinking ship and can only bail water.
The goal is for the remaining big 12 teams to remain p5 status through a reconstructed league. Add at least four to six big market schools. Work to increase impact...profile...and media pull. Might not be fair but eventually things would improve in a league that wvu night actually win.
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Luck is a strong hire-with lots of connections- remains to be seen what he can pull off. Since AAC schools all would willingly jump ship to the BIG 12- luring those schools isnt likely what he was brought on board to do.
Here are a couple excerpts from a Fort Worth Star-Telegram article:
Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sport...niversity/article253697578.html#storylink=cpy
Former XFL Commissioner and CEO Oliver Luck will serve as a consultant to the Big 12.
Oliver Luck has joined the Big 12 in a consulting role, a source confirmed.
The source described Luck’s role as helping the league in “assessing opportunities and navigating the landscape.”......
It also must be stated that Bowlsby still has the support of the remaining eight schools, a source said, but Luck gives the league another respected voice in the college sports landscape.
Oliver Luck will serve as a consultant to the Big 12. What does his role entail?
Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sport...niversity/article253697578.html#storylink=cpy
Former XFL Commissioner and CEO Oliver Luck will serve as a consultant to the Big 12.
Oliver Luck has joined the Big 12 in a consulting role, a source confirmed.
The source described Luck’s role as helping the league in “assessing opportunities and navigating the landscape.”......
It also must be stated that Bowlsby still has the support of the remaining eight schools, a source said, but Luck gives the league another respected voice in the college sports landscape.
Consultants will take any high paying job where the checks won't bounce. This definitely qualifies.
Superficially, I agree though but I guarantee you OL is working the lines for WVU as well.
I've got a few mixed emotions about Oliver, but end the end
it's probably good for WVU
with b12 hiring Oliver as a consultant.
Wvu can only hope - while ACC seems to have only limited or zero interest in Wvu.
But Oliver's recent track record
was "iffy at best".
it's probably good for WVU
with b12 hiring Oliver as a consultant.
Wvu can only hope - while ACC seems to have only limited or zero interest in Wvu.
But Oliver's recent track record
was "iffy at best".
The fate of the Big 12 rests with the Pac-12 decision on expanding their Conference.
If the Pac decides to expand with Oklahoma State, Kansas or Kansas State, Texas Tech and Iowa State, they will move into 4 additional states and better time zones for broadcasting.
The Pac 12 TV contract is set to expire in 2024 so they will have to make a decision soon on whether they move with 2 or 4 teams or not at all. Remember the Pac-12 commissioner has said he has been contacted by a number of Big 12 teams about membership.
The Pac-12 best chance for expansion is now.
Kansas would fit the profile of the B1G with their listing as a AAU Research University.
WVU best hope is the ACC.
Not sure how this is going to all play out but most Big 12 schools would jump at the chance to go to a more stable conference.
I think we will ultimately have 4 Power Conferences (16 teams each).
Notre Dame at some point may have to decide where they would want to go (contractually (2035 )required to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference in the near term).
Could bring in WVU with ND.
Oliver being retained by the Big 12 is good but only if no other Big 12 teams leave the conference.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
If the Pac decides to expand with Oklahoma State, Kansas or Kansas State, Texas Tech and Iowa State, they will move into 4 additional states and better time zones for broadcasting.
The Pac 12 TV contract is set to expire in 2024 so they will have to make a decision soon on whether they move with 2 or 4 teams or not at all. Remember the Pac-12 commissioner has said he has been contacted by a number of Big 12 teams about membership.
The Pac-12 best chance for expansion is now.
Kansas would fit the profile of the B1G with their listing as a AAU Research University.
WVU best hope is the ACC.
Not sure how this is going to all play out but most Big 12 schools would jump at the chance to go to a more stable conference.
I think we will ultimately have 4 Power Conferences (16 teams each).
Notre Dame at some point may have to decide where they would want to go (contractually (2035 )required to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference in the near term).
Could bring in WVU with ND.
Oliver being retained by the Big 12 is good but only if no other Big 12 teams leave the conference.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Nice summary,
Notre Dame is NOT joining any Conference.
With that, all your theories starting with ND to ACC is a grap ( crap shoot).
But you & everyone here knows
West Virginia to ACC strengthens Pittsburgh - because Pitt hasn't done (sht) much since they joined the acc.
May I repeat,
Pittsburgh membership in the ACC has been crap (average at best).
Doesn't matter what we think,
but ACC not courting West Virginia 11 years ago was a bad decision for the acc.
The alliance which may be announced today, could and probably WILL have the B10/ACC/PAC playing an 8 game conference schedule along with two games per school per year vs. each other.
So in other words 8 B10 foes, then 1 PAC, and 1 ACC. That only leaves TWO OOC games and you'll know they'll want those at home each year against lighter competition.
ND will be included in that scheduling (of course).
And SEC/ACC matchups will continue.
This means the BIG 12 schools are really royally being screwed here and unless the SEC wants a scheduling deal with them then there may not be options for OOC games.
Hope is that if the other conferences aren't expanding then Luck can somehow maneuvre an expanded BIG 12 back into the picture.
WVUs future hope may rest with the fact that the ACC revenue gap is not necessarily improved by a scheduling alliance--they probably still need expansion. Question will be can WVU get in that door?
So in other words 8 B10 foes, then 1 PAC, and 1 ACC. That only leaves TWO OOC games and you'll know they'll want those at home each year against lighter competition.
ND will be included in that scheduling (of course).
And SEC/ACC matchups will continue.
This means the BIG 12 schools are really royally being screwed here and unless the SEC wants a scheduling deal with them then there may not be options for OOC games.
Hope is that if the other conferences aren't expanding then Luck can somehow maneuvre an expanded BIG 12 back into the picture.
WVUs future hope may rest with the fact that the ACC revenue gap is not necessarily improved by a scheduling alliance--they probably still need expansion. Question will be can WVU get in that door?
The alliance is nothing more than a power play to be able to out vote SEC on extending playoffs to 12 teams and them getting 6 teams in.
Oliver Luck might be consulting Big 12 on the best move to dismantle the conference.
Oliver Luck might be consulting Big 12 on the best move to dismantle the conference.
Not going to happen "dismantling " the b12 as you say
until Texas Oklahoma pay the exit fee ~~$80 million each.
That's $20 million per remaining b12 schools - b12 would be stupid to release Texas Oklahoma from the agreement.
Just never know if someone offers a spot to 2 or 4 teams do those say we want to wait for our big payday from the exit fee. Or do they jump ship and further damage the Big 12.
A consultant is someone you pay to borrow your watch to tell you what time it is..
The alliance is expected to include scheduling--1 game each between the Big Ten/PAC/ACC.
That means OOC scheduling is pretty much tied up.
ND will have their 5 ACC games and games with Big Ten and PAC schools. Add Navy to that and that's Probably 10 games right there with only two other slots.
ACC/Big Ten/PAC---you've got 8 conference games and two power games against other alliance teams.
The SEC? They'll probably play 10 conference games. Then they have two OOC slots only.
Doesn't leave lots of spots for BIG 12 schools.
That means OOC scheduling is pretty much tied up.
ND will have their 5 ACC games and games with Big Ten and PAC schools. Add Navy to that and that's Probably 10 games right there with only two other slots.
ACC/Big Ten/PAC---you've got 8 conference games and two power games against other alliance teams.
The SEC? They'll probably play 10 conference games. Then they have two OOC slots only.
Doesn't leave lots of spots for BIG 12 schools.
Leave before 2025, summer of 2025 - the remainder of 8,
b12 schools are subjected to
~$80 million buy out, also.
Texas and Oklahoma could pay more than $20+ million per school, to leave before 2025.
That's $80+ million, each = ~~$ 160 million, total+.
Texas and Oklahoma owe 2 years worth of their final two years in the BIG 12.
So that's about (right now) $40 million per school per year. $80 million each, $160 million total--but that is just for the BUYOUT.
Then each of them owes from now through June 30th 2025, Each year of the ENTIRE media payout that the BIG 12 would provide them. This would be leaving their media rights with the conference via the GOR.
Its an escalating number each year--from an article most recently, that payout was about $28 million/yr
So let's say its:
2021-22=$28 million (each)
2022-23=$29 million (each)
2023-24=$30 million (each)
2024-25=$31 million (each)
That means in addition to the $160 million owed, UT and OU also owe the BIG 12 and additional GOR payout of upwards of $118 million EACH.
That's another $236 million due to the BIG 12 --could actually be more if they are collecting media rights within the SEC before 2025.
$236 plus $160 million (conservative estimates) =$416 million minimum that OU/UT must leave behind to the BIG 12 schools. Divided by 8 schools=$52 million per school owed by UT/OU to leave before June 30th 2025.
So that's about (right now) $40 million per school per year. $80 million each, $160 million total--but that is just for the BUYOUT.
Then each of them owes from now through June 30th 2025, Each year of the ENTIRE media payout that the BIG 12 would provide them. This would be leaving their media rights with the conference via the GOR.
Its an escalating number each year--from an article most recently, that payout was about $28 million/yr
So let's say its:
2021-22=$28 million (each)
2022-23=$29 million (each)
2023-24=$30 million (each)
2024-25=$31 million (each)
That means in addition to the $160 million owed, UT and OU also owe the BIG 12 and additional GOR payout of upwards of $118 million EACH.
That's another $236 million due to the BIG 12 --could actually be more if they are collecting media rights within the SEC before 2025.
$236 plus $160 million (conservative estimates) =$416 million minimum that OU/UT must leave behind to the BIG 12 schools. Divided by 8 schools=$52 million per school owed by UT/OU to leave before June 30th 2025.
?Wonder what brilliant Geniuses at ESPN/ ABC- Disney think about paying those amounts?
ESPN is the king of College Sports, but ESPN is eating itself "hook, line and Sinker".
Fox is probably watching this, while ESPN destroy itself and College sports.
Oh well
They have already said they will finish their B12 contract. So either the B12 can deal with them as conference members and get mostly nothing or negotiate a settlement that gives them some cash.
The ACC Conference wanted to establish their own network.
ESPN in consultation with the ACC concluded that the "Critical Mass" necessary to make the network possible would be to bring in Pitt, Syracuse and Notre Dame.
Pitt, Syracuse and Notre Dame (Includes 5 football games/yr) were admitted into the ACC Conference.
ESPN/ACC initiated the ACCN which is now on most Cable Platforms.
Comcast is the last hold out but according to Jim Philips (ACC Commissioner) a deal to include the ACCN on the Comcast network is imminent. Expect to happen this September or at the latest in Jan 2022 when the ESPN/Comcast contracts expire.
So Pitt has already helped the ACC by contributing to the formation of the ACCN.
As for ND joining a Conference who knows but at some point they may feel they need to pick one.
Bringing ND and WVU would allow the ACC to open their contract with ESPN.
See how it goes.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Pitt has helped the ACC by
GO HOME TROLL SPITT.
Pitt has helped the ACC BY giving members an extra easy win.
GO HOME TROLL SPITT.
He is consulting for the big 12 schools collectively. He is not working for a specific schools individual interest
Allen look up Pitt’s football ACC record in since Narduzzi took over. Might surprise you how competitive Pitt has been. Look up Pitt’s Olympic sports since Pitt joined ACC. Look up money difference between ACC and what Pitt was generating before the move to ACC. Look up Pitt academic climb since joining the ACC. It’s been good for both Pitt and the ACC.
@mofo isn’t worth a reply
Not really It would be better to use Texas and Oklahoma as bargaining chips for a better tv deal for the remaining big 12 members then to make them stay and end up with nothing.
Yes really. If OU/UT want to go to media partners to get them to create favorable revenues/schedules/power with the Core 8 then they are always able to try.
But the existing membership is owed a certain amount of revenue from the departing schools, they won't be able to just walk away from that major commitment because they've decided after 2025 they want to look up at Alabama.
Good hire, Luck has clout and connections and the conference needs everything it can get at this critical juncture for the schools.
Well that's exactly the point. The best time negotiate a new deal for the remaining teams is while Texas and Oklahoma are still members. The remaining 8 can use them as a bargaining chip. If you make them stay and finish out the remaining deal you are stuck in a take it or leave it situation.
How's that ranking doing? Not a big deal to win the Atlantic side.
Pitt 36-31 ACC - surprising how?
OOC POWER HOUSE WINS
Austin Peay
Ohio
UCF
Delaware
Albany
Youngstown State (OT)
Rice
Villanova
Marshall
Akron
FIU
New Mexico
Old Dominion
P5 OOC wins
PSU
Notre Dame
OOC LOSSES
Navy
Iowa - 2
Akron
PSU - 3
Oklahoma State - 2
Overall 55-47
Bowl wins - Bowling Green, Eastern Michigan
Bowl losses - Houston, Navy, Northwestern, Stanford
WOW, freaking impressive! NOT.
Narduzzi 42-34 Bowls 1-3 Conference 29-20. You slapped around WVU Coaches that did a hell of a lot better than this.
13-14 OOC. you can keep him.
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Well I guess Texas and OU better get to work then. By contract that OU/UT created themselves--so no one could leave THEM, they must remain or pay hefty fees. The Core 8 are just along for the ride apparently with little control of the outcome currently.
A consultant is a professional who provides advice and further purposeful activities in an area of specialization.
Allen you need to get into golf or something. Narduzzi has Pitt with like the third or forth best ACC record since he started. Someone inferred that Pitt has done nothing in ACC. That is not the case. Never said Pitt was impressive. Of course you ignored the rest of my post. Pitt and the ACC are a good fit. And make no mistake Hugs is great but WVU football is mediocre. Brown has a nice recruiting class but WVU has sucked as much as they’ve been average. You guys overrate you’re football program badly.
No its the remaining Big 12 teams that need to get to work. The sec and espn want Oklahoma and Texas in the sec sooner rather than later. The remaining 8 can cut a deal for a better television contract by letting them go early. Either way you look at it you can't win. You will not replace the value of those two teams.
Well he needs to be careful with that, he was brought in to assist conference...working a side deal with a school, presumably to exit to ACC would put him in hot water...
If that's not a conflict of interest then I don't know what is
There's no conflict.
He'll get paid for making bad decisions again - like his resume shows.
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