I get all that. I'm just saying Democrats would love for Republicans to run on no exceptions and for most people that's going too far. Do that and what has been accomplished will be undone.
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I get all that. I'm just saying Democrats would love for Republicans to run on no exceptions and for most people that's going too far. Do that and what has been accomplished will be undone.
It's amazing because the official Democrat position is even more extreme..."no restrictions" not even for late term abortions! Even the most ardent pro death activists don't dare argue for no restrictions however most of them insist on it when voting on abortion.
Most Americans favor some limits, with exceptions which is where most State Laws banning abortion fall. I believe since Life is created by Almighty God only God can decide who lives and when we die? I realize a lot of people don't believe that but they can't tell you where else Life came from or what that Baby is if it isn't alive and human?
As a human being that's a good attitude to have. It's just not going to fly politically.
Agreed. It's always going to be a contentious issue if for no other reason there are so many unbelievers who question the author of Life itself.
Republicans should stick with exceptions or they will lose alot of elections.
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I gave you the truth. Run on anything else and you get a bunch of Democrats elected and they will be aborting them at delivery.
Here's my opinion on abortion. It became a defacto right that women embraced and , even though wrongly decided, when it was overturned, women held repub responsible and killed the mid terms
I would bet most women don't agree with late term abortion. Those that do are never voting Republican anyways. Republicans need to work on messaging and stick to the reasonable exceptions that even the most conservative States have adopted.
Politically there's some truth in that. However no woman alive who became pregnant knows the exact moment that happened? She didn't press a button and instantly make it so! She also didn't have anything to do with how her baby's DNA was formed (the most crucial part of development) or directing its personality, or the color of its eyes, hair, shape of the baby's nose etc. She had zero clue or input on any of that! Nor did she know the exact precise time she was due to deliver (she had an idea, but she wasn't asked for permission when it was time!)
So given all of that going on in her body which she had zero control over, when did she get the idea it was OK for her to kill it? 🤔
(that's not my take on it btw, that's how our Pastor addresses the ridiculous notion from the pro death crowd that it's "her body, and her right to chose what she does with her own body")
Mommy...what about me?
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That's probably the smartest political strategy on the issue for now since changing minds about removing those exceptions means changing minds about who's responsible for the Baby's Life in the first place? Fact is so many people (women) see themselves as the author of that Baby's Life and the discussion stops there if they don't want to accept the fact its a gift from God. Who?
That's a whole other mountain to climb before you get them to agree on removing exceptions to abortion.
Just putting this up here in this thread for any readers interested in the Truth behind rape, incest, & Life of Mother exceptions to abortion
Still true: Only a fraction of abortions done for rape, incest, Mother's health
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Every human life is worthy of protection, and Live Action News has featured numerous stories from courageous women who chose life for their babies conceived in rape, diagnosed with disabilities, or thought to be “incompatible with life.” Tragically, while more and more of these women speak out and testify to the sanctity of each life, the profitable abortion lobby continues to pitch abortion as a solution to any problem a women encounters.
Watch this compelling story offered inside the link if you don't want to read all the statistics
Still true: Only a fraction of abortions done for rape, incest, Mother's health
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Every human life is worthy of protection, and Live Action News has featured numerous stories from courageous women who chose life for their babies conceived in rape, diagnosed with disabilities, or thought to be “incompatible with life.” Tragically, while more and more of these women speak out and testify to the sanctity of each life, the profitable abortion lobby continues to pitch abortion as a solution to any problem a women encounters.
Watch this compelling story offered inside the link if you don't want to read all the statistics
I don't see Republicans running for office being penalized by GOP voters for their strong Pro-Life stances. Do you?
Yes. I also see controlled opposition using it against them on Twitter and other social media. WV just passed a law. What would you have done differently?
I will take a Republican candidate running on a strong Pro Life stance vs a Democrat running on "no restrictions" for abortion under any circumstances" and predict the Republican will likely win 9 out of 10 times. As I said earlier ITT, most Americans favor some type of restrictions, while it is true a majority still want the option available, particularly if it's medically necessary. That's rare, but sometimes it is necessary in Truth.
The consensus however is against "no restrictions" (most Americans favor some restrictions)....only radical Leftists run on that (no restrictions) and they can't even admit to it! You never hear them answer that question when they're asked "when should abortion be restricted?"
Know why not?
Because they know they would lose arguing for infanticide. So to get around giving a direct answer to that question, they offer up psychobabble like "that's between a woman and her Doctor", "No one should be making personal health choices for women in crisis pregnancies", "it's not up to society to decide for a woman if her pregnancy should end or not?" "it's strictly the woman's decision about her own health & body" or some such variation on one of those.
Leftists will NEVER answer that question with a specific time limit on or restricting abortions, as they will also never admit they favor infanticide. NEVER
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I think Laws with limits advocated by medical professionals in OBGYN and Neo Natal care are adequate. I believe taxpayer funded "choice" abortions for non medical reasons should be banned. I think abortions past 20 weeks should be banned...regardless. I also think Republicans should embrace a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution so Life is treated equally as Freedom and our right to privacy. I don't care what the Pro Death crowd argues. They only have support because the media never covers the Pro Life arguments fairly. "Controlled opposition" is a euphemism for media brainwashing.
If you put one abortion on T-V, showed the difficulty it is for both the Mother and what happens to the Baby...support for it or as you call it "controlled opposition" would vanish overnight. The media propagandists and death merchants in the pro abort crowd know this, so the true horrors of the abortion industry are sanitized and hidden from the American public. Ironically one reason more Americans are at least favoring restrictions if not Life altogether is because of Social media and numerous stories available of miraculous lives being saved or babies rescued who would otherwise be aborted!
Watch that little 5 minute video I linked to earlier in the thread and tell me who has the guts in the "controlled opposition" crowd to air that or argue against the choice that mother and father made for their baby?
Controlled opposition are Democrats who pretend to be Republicans. They go on message boards and talk about locking women in a room until she has the baby. That and other stupid stuff. Go look up the law Oklahoma just passed. Oklahoma is pretty red. It's pretty strict. It still has exceptions. Alot of other States won't go as far as it did. That's reality. Try to go beyond what they did and you could undo what many accomplished to bring some sanity to it.
You and I don't really disagree on this issue (I don't think we do at least 🤔) we're discussing "tactics". As I stated, the current exceptions on most State Laws restricting abortions I'm OK with. I agree with you most Americans don't want a total ban or "no exceptions" on State Laws restricting abortion. We aren't there educating society on that yet, and it's politically foolish to push for anything beyond where we are right now as a society on it. Agree with you 100%.
However as technology advances, and more people see a fully formed little baby developing as soon as 8 weeks into gestation, I Pray more minds are changed as they are indeed changing! Here in Georgia we just recently had our so called "heartbeat" bill upheld on an appeal to the State Supreme court. Pro aborts challenged the Constitutionality on the heartbeat bill, claiming it restricted women's access to "health care" when they needed it.
That of course was bogus, as most of the Pro Death crowd's arguments for infanticide are. The beauty of the heartbeat bill is it establishes that once a heartbeat is detected, that baby is entitled to live! Leftists can argue for a "woman's right to choose" all day long, but they can't deny a heartbeat means another life is involved in her decision.
Follow the Science right @Gunny46?
*editor's note: most women don't even realize they are pregnant after 8 weeks, yet the science has advanced to the point where doctors can detect a baby's heartbeat by that time! Women who hear that baby's heartbeat before they realize they're pregnant are genuinely surprised, and most chose to keep the baby once they realize it's another human being growing inside of them!
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Here's a riveting story about a Mom who after hearing her baby's heartbeat, chose Life!
clinicquotes.com
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“After hearing my baby’s heartbeat, I just kept thinking, what if I hadn’t heard it? If I had continued where I was, I most likely would not have heard it. I changed my mind when I heard that heartbeat, but my counselors made me feel like I was supposed to have this baby and that I could do it.”
Woman chooses life after hearing baby's heartbeat - ClinicQuotes
Vicky went to Planned Parenthood for a medical abortion (by pill), but while she was in the waiting room, she had second thoughts. She thought she might come back, but she went outside and saw sidewalk counselor who encouraged her to have a free ultrasound at a pregnancy center nearby. She says...
clinicquotes.com
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“After hearing my baby’s heartbeat, I just kept thinking, what if I hadn’t heard it? If I had continued where I was, I most likely would not have heard it. I changed my mind when I heard that heartbeat, but my counselors made me feel like I was supposed to have this baby and that I could do it.”
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You and I don't really disagree on this issue (I don't think we do at least 🤔) we're discussing "tactics". As I stated, the current exceptions on most State Laws restricting abortions I'm OK with. I agree with you most Americans don't want a total ban or "no exceptions" on State Laws restricting abortion. We aren't there educating society on that yet, and it's politically foolish to push for anything beyond where we are right now as a society on it. Agree with you 100%.
However as technology advances, and more people see a fully formed little baby developing as soon as 8 weeks into gestation, I Pray more minds are changed as they are indeed changing! Here in Georgia we just recently had our so called "heartbeat" bill upheld on an appeal to the State Supreme court. Pro aborts challenged the Constitutionality on the heartbeat bill, claiming it restricted women's access to "health care" when they needed it.
That of course was bogus, as most of the Pro Death crowd's arguments for infanticide are. The beauty of the heartbeat bill is it establishes that once a heartbeat is detected, that baby is entitled to live! Leftists can argue for a "woman's right to choose" all day long, but they can't deny a heartbeat means another life is involved in her decision on weather to kill it or not?
Follow the Science right @Gunny46?
*editor's note: most women don't even realize they are pregnant after 8 weeks, yet the science has advanced to the point where doctors can detect a baby's heartbeat by that time! Women who hear that baby's heartbeat before they realize they're pregnant are genuinely surprised, and most chose to keep the baby once they realize it's another human being growing inside of them!
This isn't even a top 10 issue for most voters. If Democrats want to waste their time pushing abortion on demand then good luck.
Deport all imported Muslims from the US. Deport all illegal Hispanics. That’s what we need
Deport anyone who breaks into the country illegally! Deport Leftists who support them too!
You can't just deport the citizens but you can definitely put some of them in prison. Especially once their actions go beyond peaceful protest. Going through their organizers bank accounts gets into much bigger criminal activity too.
Leftists are the ones always bitching about how terrible the country is, we can arrange to deport any of 'em back to whatever Socialist sh*t hole they prefer when we send the illegals back.
I get your point. However they have Constitutional Rights to freedom of speech. They like to use those to destroy our Country because they hate America. So like I suggested you have to dig deeper on who is organizing, funding, and who they are working with. Designating Cartels as Terrorists groups would help alot.
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That's what you losers live for. Owning libs. Because you have nothing else. Angry white guys pissed off at libs, sitting on a message board all day, and accomplishing nothing.Ya'll Brothers see the way @30CAT , @ThePunish-EER @Gunny46 @roadtrasheer and yours truly slap these Leftists around on here???
I mean it's brutal ain't it ya'll?
Never seen anything like it huh Brah?
@moe
I'm outta here... had enough of this sh*t....
@NYC_Eer
Wait @moe ...wait for me!!!!!
They'll keep away for a while to avoid all this abuse! 😝
You're right everyone should cancel their subscription and find something else to do. Especially you.
Pssst....(whispering softly in your ear....I'm black...remember?) You called me an "Uncle Tom" because of it!
I guess I'd be dismissive too of all the times you've been forced to run off after getting "slapped around" on here? What I can't figure out though is if you find your time spent on here so unproductive, why do you even bother to show up so often just to get slapped around again and again then forced to run off?
Are you some sort of masochist or just another aimless Leftist with nothing better to do than getting punked on an internet message board?
@NYC_Eer
Not answering that you snarky "Uncle Tom"...just gonna scoot off from here for now and keep my ignorance to myself....
Bye man....don't forget to show up again next time you're ready for more abuse!
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Angry white guys smh. Leave it to a libtard to put race into every conversation. Explain how or why race would be associated with this conversation?
I get the woman's argument, "It's my body, my choice! That should be the law everywhere!"
Don't agree with it. At all... I'm a total abolitionist.
So, to be fair, men should have a say, too. If its a woman's choice to abort or keep it, and she chooses to keep it, men should have the right to abandon it, without any financial penalty, at any point in life, pre/post pregnancy, and it should also be codified into law.
Run that up Congress' and the state legislatures' flagpole.
That should make the deathers scream...
Don't agree with it. At all... I'm a total abolitionist.
So, to be fair, men should have a say, too. If its a woman's choice to abort or keep it, and she chooses to keep it, men should have the right to abandon it, without any financial penalty, at any point in life, pre/post pregnancy, and it should also be codified into law.
Run that up Congress' and the state legislatures' flagpole.
That should make the deathers scream...
He tries to impress us with his "above the noise" arrogance yet whenever he shows up here he's usually the most ignorant poster in the thread. Go back and read his posts and try to find when he's ever rebutted factually, or offered extemporaneously any type of defense of his positions? All he does is show up here castigating posters, then he runs off after getting his Leftist panties all stained with indignance. 😏
Yeah he’s a condescending jackass. There’s nothing worse than an idiot trying to talk down to someone
I honestly don't know why he bothers to log on here? All he does is trash the forum, most of the posters or the subjects being discussed. He never offers anything in support of his own positions, and to top it all off he's a bald faced liar!
He is good for a laugh though when he runs off after getting exposed.
