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Could the P12(10) be more secure than the B12?

More info for Bucky.

Two things have been equally true about the Pac-12 Networks since their launch a decade ago: The business model was all wrong, but the production quality was all right.

The former has been examined relentlessly (here and elsewhere) and helped set the stage for the conference’s current predicament.

The latter is our topic for today.

The equipment powering the Pac-12’s wholly-owned media platforms (both linear and digital) forms the backbone of a cutting-edge technological infrastructure that’s lauded throughout the sports media industry and could prove beneficial during the ongoing media rights negotiations that will make or break its future.

“The Pac-12 has everything you could want in a production facility and can produce all the games for much less than the media companies usually pay,” said a TV sports production veteran who asked not to be identified.

In other words: Bargaining chips.

Over the past 26 days, the Hotline has attempted to outline all possible end-games for the Pac-12, from extinction to survival, so readers are not surprised by any outcome.

We have assessed expansion candidates from the Mountain West, plunged into TV ratings, examined potential mergers and partnerships with the Big 12, analyzed presidential leadership (or lack thereof) and detailed the value of the Saturday night kickoffs.

But we saved the biggest whopper for last: The Pac-12 Networks as savior, and ESPN as their suitor.

It’s just this side of crazy, which happens to be prime territory for realignment strategy and execution.

Consider this Feb. ’22 description from the Sports Video Group, an industry website:

“Upon launching in 2012, Pac-12 Networks instantly established itself as a pioneer in remote-production techniques. Its groundbreaking Multicam production model was a precursor of the remote-production revolution the industry has experienced in recent years, and the centralized-production model has allowed Pac-12 Networks to produce thousands of live events from its San Francisco headquarters for a fraction of the cost of traditional production.”

So advanced is the technology that the Pac-12 Networks have produced games for ESPN and Fox from the San Francisco facility, which features eight control rooms and the ability to broadcast five games at once.

The technology cuts costs because there is no need for production trucks at the competition venues. Only the on-air talent and camera operators are required, whether it’s a gymnastic meet or football game.

A transmission box the size of a mini-fridge — there’s one on each campus — serves as the nerve center for the on-site production.

Video and audio feeds are sent to San Francisco, where the director, producer and graphics designer are based.

The latency is about half a second.

Once one event is completed, the transmission box moves to the venue for the next broadcast on the campus.

Based on what Sports Video Group described as “a dramatic leap forward in production efficiency,” the technology has sliced the cost of producing an event by as much as 50 percent, according to the source.

How does it all fit into the Pac-12’s fight for survival?

Well, the ready-made infrastructure might be tempting if you’re ESPN, which already owns the ACC Network.

ESPN could rent or purchase the Pac-12 Networks facility and create a bicoastal operation that provides cash and stability for the Pac-12 and adds subscriber revenue for the ACC.

(Under that scenario, the conference would remain distinct and thus preserve the ACC’s grant-of-rights agreement.)

On a broader scale, the Pac-12 Networks facility could be turned into an operations hub for ESPN for all West Coast sporting events.

“It’s something ESPN definitely has its eye on,” the source said.

It would be quite the finishing twist — one worthy of the June 30 thunderbolt from Los Angeles that put the Pac-12 in peril in the first place.

We don’t consider this outcome likely, but it warrants a spot on the vast spectrum of possibilities that will, in some form or fashion, shape the Pac-12’s fate.
 
Getting back with your ex is awkward, but it might be the best scenario for the Buffs. Likewise, the Buffs’ departure would almost guarantee the Pac-12 would have to look towards the Mountain West to stay alive. Super conferences are coming and CU’s puzzle piece carries some weight.

Buffalo Wire - Jack Carlough
If Colorado stays:



If Colorado leaves:
Utah to the Big 10? GTFO.
Pitt would get in first and Paterno would come out his grave to block that shit.
 
More info for Bucky.

Two things have been equally true about the Pac-12 Networks since their launch a decade ago: The business model was all wrong, but the production quality was all right.

The former has been examined relentlessly (here and elsewhere) and helped set the stage for the conference’s current predicament.

The latter is our topic for today.

The equipment powering the Pac-12’s wholly-owned media platforms (both linear and digital) forms the backbone of a cutting-edge technological infrastructure that’s lauded throughout the sports media industry and could prove beneficial during the ongoing media rights negotiations that will make or break its future.

“The Pac-12 has everything you could want in a production facility and can produce all the games for much less than the media companies usually pay,” said a TV sports production veteran who asked not to be identified.

In other words: Bargaining chips.

Over the past 26 days, the Hotline has attempted to outline all possible end-games for the Pac-12, from extinction to survival, so readers are not surprised by any outcome.

We have assessed expansion candidates from the Mountain West, plunged into TV ratings, examined potential mergers and partnerships with the Big 12, analyzed presidential leadership (or lack thereof) and detailed the value of the Saturday night kickoffs.

But we saved the biggest whopper for last: The Pac-12 Networks as savior, and ESPN as their suitor.

It’s just this side of crazy, which happens to be prime territory for realignment strategy and execution.

Consider this Feb. ’22 description from the Sports Video Group, an industry website:

“Upon launching in 2012, Pac-12 Networks instantly established itself as a pioneer in remote-production techniques. Its groundbreaking Multicam production model was a precursor of the remote-production revolution the industry has experienced in recent years, and the centralized-production model has allowed Pac-12 Networks to produce thousands of live events from its San Francisco headquarters for a fraction of the cost of traditional production.”

So advanced is the technology that the Pac-12 Networks have produced games for ESPN and Fox from the San Francisco facility, which features eight control rooms and the ability to broadcast five games at once.

The technology cuts costs because there is no need for production trucks at the competition venues. Only the on-air talent and camera operators are required, whether it’s a gymnastic meet or football game.

A transmission box the size of a mini-fridge — there’s one on each campus — serves as the nerve center for the on-site production.

Video and audio feeds are sent to San Francisco, where the director, producer and graphics designer are based.

The latency is about half a second.

Once one event is completed, the transmission box moves to the venue for the next broadcast on the campus.

Based on what Sports Video Group described as “a dramatic leap forward in production efficiency,” the technology has sliced the cost of producing an event by as much as 50 percent, according to the source.

How does it all fit into the Pac-12’s fight for survival?

Well, the ready-made infrastructure might be tempting if you’re ESPN, which already owns the ACC Network.

ESPN could rent or purchase the Pac-12 Networks facility and create a bicoastal operation that provides cash and stability for the Pac-12 and adds subscriber revenue for the ACC.

(Under that scenario, the conference would remain distinct and thus preserve the ACC’s grant-of-rights agreement.)

On a broader scale, the Pac-12 Networks facility could be turned into an operations hub for ESPN for all West Coast sporting events.

“It’s something ESPN definitely has its eye on,” the source said.

It would be quite the finishing twist — one worthy of the June 30 thunderbolt from Los Angeles that put the Pac-12 in peril in the first place.

We don’t consider this outcome likely, but it warrants a spot on the vast spectrum of possibilities that will, in some form or fashion, shape the Pac-12’s fate.
Heaven knows ESPN couldn't reverse engineer that shit.
 
Utah to the Big 10? GTFO.
Pitt would get in first and Paterno would come out his grave to block that shit.
If Pitt was so important to Big 10 they would already be there. Pitt will never see big 10. Doesn't matter right now as Big 10 is talking to Oregon, Washington, Stanford and California. That is a known fact. Although Big 10 is doing nothing right now as they once again wait on ND who will never join a conference.
 
If Pitt was so important to Big 10 they would already be there. Pitt will never see big 10. Doesn't matter right now as Big 10 is talking to Oregon, Washington, Stanford and California. That is a known fact. Although Big 10 is doing nothing right now as they once again wait on ND who will never join a conference.
Agreed. Pitt has a 0.1% chance and that is 100 times higher than freaking Utah.
 
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Do you even know what the article is about? Texas and Oklahoma help drive up ratings more for the Big 12 than USC and Ucla do for the Pac 12. Whether you like it or not big 12 ratings will take a hit once these two schools are gone.
You are obvious in your lack of foresight in this issue. B12 minus OUT ... PLUS 4 new markets. PAC minus USCLA plus ????
Yhey aren't getting markets close to Houston, Cincy, BYU, UCF markets.
 
Buck how come you have nothing to say about this statement from the admin at Colorado?

The administration at CU views the Big 12 as a JUCO league. They don’t want to be in that
And you have nothing to say about the Colo media clamoring for a move to the B12.
 
You are obvious in your lack of foresight in this issue. B12 minus OUT ... PLUS 4 new markets. PAC minus USCLA plus ????
Yhey aren't getting markets close to Houston, Cincy, BYU, UCF markets.
3 large cities yes, but no significant fan bases
 
Reason Big 12 wants 6 PAC is because it destroys the PAC and likely ends them as a so called power. How much would that bring new Big 12? Not as much as SEC or B1G, but it brings them some big money.

As the Big 10 and SEC continue to grow, which will be mostly through poaching the PAC12 and ACC, the Big 12 has only 2 options. Option 1 is to wait and be torn apart from east to west when the PAC12 and ACC look to replace the teams poached by the big boys. Option 2 is try to kill the PAC12 now and be stable enough to avoid being poached, or even poaching themselves, when the ACC goes down.
 
It doesn’t matter if the Big12 survives or not. The only two that will ultimately count will be the SEC and the B1G.
 
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Option 1 is to wait and be torn apart from east to west when the PAC12 and ACC look to replace the teams poached by the big boys. Option 2 is try to kill the PAC12 now and be stable enough to avoid being poached, or even poaching themselves, when the ACC goes down.
It all depends what the $/team will be when all of the new media rights deals are announced.
 
Agreed. Pitt has a 0.1% chance and that is 100 times higher than freaking Utah.
I don’t claim to know anything about what will happen, but I do think Pitt has a lot more value for the Big10 than you give credit. Will it happen? I don’t know. I wouldn’t rule anyone out in the latest craziness in college football today. IMO only, I think Pitt has a Big10 feel. They are the old blueblood and at one time were considered in the same elite class of ND, Michigan, Princeton in the beginning of major college football. And they have the Pittsburgh market
 
Pitt hasn't been a blue blood in 40 plus years. PSU draws more of the Pittsburgh market than Pitt does. WVU not only brings the Charleston (501,530) Clarksburg market 228,556 (including Monongalia and Preston counties) but also the Beckley/Bluefield market (142,570) the Wheeling market (133,410) and Parkersburg (64,060). The WVU equals 1,069,826. Plus you can say WVU carries the majority of TV sets in the state of WV.

Certainly there are many Pitt fans outside the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County, Pa. But in terms of drawing cable TV revenues, it's doubtful that Pitt draws any areas that aren't already captured for the Big Ten Network (BTN) by the presence of PSU. There may be more Penn State fans inside the city of Pittsburgh than Pitt fans. The Pitt market (Minus the Monongalia and Preston counties which for some reason Pitt thinks they can claim) equals 1,036,444.

So Pitt is likely further down B1G list just as much as WVU.

Article from Market Size (another sports forum) These numbers have not been update to today's date so it could be up or down.
 
Pitt hasn't been a blue blood in 40 plus years. PSU draws more of the Pittsburgh market than Pitt does. WVU not only brings the Charleston (501,530) Clarksburg market 228,556 (including Monongalia and Preston counties) but also the Beckley/Bluefield market (142,570) the Wheeling market (133,410) and Parkersburg (64,060). The WVU equals 1,069,826. Plus you can say WVU carries the majority of TV sets in the state of WV.

Certainly there are many Pitt fans outside the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County, Pa. But in terms of drawing cable TV revenues, it's doubtful that Pitt draws any areas that aren't already captured for the Big Ten Network (BTN) by the presence of PSU. There may be more Penn State fans inside the city of Pittsburgh than Pitt fans. The Pitt market (Minus the Monongalia and Preston counties which for some reason Pitt thinks they can claim) equals 1,036,444.

So Pitt is likely further down B1G list just as much as WVU.

Article from Market Size (another sports forum) These numbers have not been update to today's date so it could be up or down.
Fair enough. Good points.
 
And you have nothing to say about the Colo media clamoring for a move to the B12.
The Colorado media isn't clamoring for anything its just an opinion writer. Most in the Colorado media are suggesting that Colorado should try to gauge the interest of the Big 10 or Sec which is what Wvu should be doing.
 
You are obvious in your lack of foresight in this issue. B12 minus OUT ... PLUS 4 new markets. PAC minus USCLA plus ????
Yhey aren't getting markets close to Houston, Cincy, BYU, UCF markets.
None of these additions will add Value they only mitigate loss. Texas and Texas Am control the Houston market. Ohio State is king in the cincy market and UCF is the number 4 team in the state of Florida. If these teams had the pull that you're suggesting they would have been gobbled up years ago.
 
None of these additions will add Value they only mitigate loss. Texas and Texas Am control the Houston market. Ohio State is king in the cincy market and UCF is the number 4 team in the state of Florida. If these teams had the pull that you're suggesting they would have been gobbled up years ago.
You are correct. They were the best of the remaining outside the P5 conferences. The only legitimate addition is BYU.
 
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As the Big 10 and SEC continue to grow, which will be mostly through poaching the PAC12 and ACC, the Big 12 has only 2 options. Option 1 is to wait and be torn apart from east to west when the PAC12 and ACC look to replace the teams poached by the big boys. Option 2 is try to kill the PAC12 now and be stable enough to avoid being poached, or even poaching themselves, when the ACC goes down.
Option #1 is a death sentence for the B12.
Option #2 is a death sentence for the PAC.
Kill or be killed.
SEC & B1G will be the super powers, no doubt. B12 can be the top of the next tier if they act quickly.
 
ESPN is the villain in all of this. Hopefully they die a miserable death at some point, due to their wokeness.

Really missed the boat by not moving forward with 5 16-team or 4 20-team regionalized conferences back in the day. ESPN and an overabundance of money is ruining what most of us have loved for decades now.
 
None of these additions will add Value they only mitigate loss. Texas and Texas Am control the Houston market. Ohio State is king in the cincy market and UCF is the number 4 team in the state of Florida. If these teams had the pull that you're suggesting they would have been gobbled up years ago.
Either B12 Adds teams to create more stability and expand their reach .... or ..... stay put and lose teams to the PAC and ACC when they reach out to backfill.
This isn't about increasing payout for each team by adding value. It's about stability and staying relevant even if you have to tale a slightly less per team payout. It's about staying alive. P12 can still be the #3 conference behind SEC & B1G. Or they can fall to G5 status.
History showed what happened to the BE when they failed to react. History will repeat itself if B12 does nothing.
 
Either B12 Adds teams to create more stability and expand their reach .... or ..... stay put and lose teams to the PAC and ACC when they reach out to backfill.
This isn't about increasing payout for each team by adding value. It's about stability and staying relevant even if you have to tale a slightly less per team payout. It's about staying alive. P12 can still be the #3 conference behind SEC & B1G. Or they can fall to G5 status.
History showed what happened to the BE when they failed to react. History will repeat itself if B12 does nothing.
There’s much more than just saying “Hey guys, come join us in the Big 12”
 
Either B12 Adds teams to create more stability and expand their reach .... or ..... stay put and lose teams to the PAC and ACC when they reach out to backfill.
This isn't about increasing payout for each team by adding value. It's about stability and staying relevant even if you have to tale a slightly less per team payout. It's about staying alive. P12 can still be the #3 conference behind SEC & B1G. Or they can fall to G5 status.
History showed what happened to the BE when they failed to react. History will repeat itself if B12 does nothing.
The only teams that want to come to the Big 12 are teams that are not currently in the power 5. Teams in the pac are essentially begging the Big 10 to invite them. There not looking for big 12 invites. At the moment is doesn't appear that the Sec or Big 10 have plans for any more expansion in the immediate future. How you do know that the Big 12 has sat back? The reality is no one is buying what the Big 12 is selling. Conferences that have their geographic center in the great plains have failed. If you want the Big 12 to start adding teams better get on the phone to Memphis, SMU, Boise State they're the only ones who are coming.
 
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The only teams that want to come to the Big 12 are teams that are not currently in the power 5. Teams in the pac are essentially begging the Big 10 to invite them. There not looking for big 12 invites. At the moment is doesn't appear that the Sec or Big 10 have plans for any more expansion in the immediate future. How you do know that the Big 12 has sat back? The reality is no one is buying what the Big 12 is selling. Conferences that have their geographic center in the great plains have failed. If you want the Big 12 to start adding teams better get on the phone to Memphis, SMU, Boise State they're the only ones who are coming.
You know as much as me and that’s nothing. Nor does anyone else. Let’s hope you’re wrong
 
It’s actually true. Sorry you disagree. We get it. You don’t like BYU. That’s how rivalries are formed. So keep hating them
If they were really worth something they would of been in a power league by now, instead of coming to a downward Big12. And I don’t “hate” them, Just know they are not good for a conference. Just like ND.

Rivalry for whom? Definitely not WVU.
 
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You know as much as me and that’s nothing. Nor does anyone else. Let’s hope you’re wrong
Nobody knows nothing but what is known is outside of wvu no other team with an extended stint in the power 5 ever came to the Big 12. Half of the original Big 12 members have flown the coup. Every team not a member of the Big 10 or Sec is trying to become a member of that conference. Its tough to expect other power 5 teams to want to come when its own members don't want to be there.
 
If they were really worth something they would of been in a power league by now, instead of coming to a downward Big12.

Rivalry for whom? Definitely not WVU.
Oh looky...that jackass anti Christian bigot Tylerlight is back spewing hate and backwoods ignorance on the forum again.
 
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Oh looky...that jackass anti Christian bigot Tylerlight is back spewing hate and backwoods ignorance on the forum again.
Root do you have to pick this fight with Tylerite in every thread? Like it or not a good many Christians don't consider Mormonism as a Christian religion. They view it more like a cult. I know some Evangelical Christians who believe Mormonism is a ploy set up by Satan as a way to add to his minions. If you're going to use the word Bigot then maybe you should research the LDS's long history of it.
 
Root do you have to pick this fight with Tylerite in every thread? Like it or not a good many Christians don't consider Mormonism as a Christian religion. They view it more like a cult. I know some Evangelical Christians who believe Mormonism is a ploy set up by Satan as a way to add to his minions. If you're going to use the word Bigot then maybe you should research the LDS's long history of it.
Ignorant.
 
Ignorant.
Are you Mormon? so tell me what do you actually know about them if you're not


BRIGHAM YOUNG

But let them apostatize, and they will become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 332).

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110)


Please explain this root
 
The sad part is rootie tootie can’t distinguish that all I’m talking about is byu as a school sports team and not their church. And what is also indefensible for her is that she calls me anti-christian while she also calls me a jacka**. Oh the irony.
 
None of these additions will add Value they only mitigate loss. Texas and Texas Am control the Houston market. Ohio State is king in the cincy market and UCF is the number 4 team in the state of Florida. If these teams had the pull that you're suggesting they would have been gobbled up years ago.
So you would prefer Big 12 add nobody and just die?
 
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The only teams that want to come to the Big 12 are teams that are not currently in the power 5. Teams in the pac are essentially begging the Big 10 to invite them. There not looking for big 12 invites. At the moment is doesn't appear that the Sec or Big 10 have plans for any more expansion in the immediate future. How you do know that the Big 12 has sat back? The reality is no one is buying what the Big 12 is selling. Conferences that have their geographic center in the great plains have failed. If you want the Big 12 to start adding teams better get on the phone to Memphis, SMU, Boise State they're the only ones who are coming.

The 10 remaining PAC 12 teams may be begging to get into the Big 10, but so is every team not already in the Big 10 or SEC that is not ND. How many of those 10 remaining teams have a realiatic shot at an invite? 2? 4 at best. Those other teams are looking at being stuck in a lower PAC 12/upper Mountain West hybrid conference which is clearly worse than being in the mid tier Big 12.
 
Root do you have to pick this fight with Tylerite in every thread? Like it or not a good many Christians don't consider Mormonism as a Christian religion. They view it more like a cult. I know some Evangelical Christians who believe Mormonism is a ploy set up by Satan as a way to add to his minions. If you're going to use the word Bigot then maybe you should research the LDS's long history of it.
"Many Christians" are not correct. Reorganize Church of the Latterday Saints have ALWAYS been Christian and have since changed their name. Latterday Saints have also been Christians from day one.
 
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