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An appeals court rules the DOJ can regain access to documents seized from Mar-a-Lago

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WASHINGTON — In a stark repudiation of Donald Trump's legal arguments, a federal appeals court on Wednesday permitted the Justice Department to resume its use of classified records seized from the former president's Florida estate as part of its ongoing criminal investigation.

Two of the three judges who issued Wednesday's ruling — Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher — were nominated to the 11th Circuit by Trump. Judge Robin Rosenbaum was nominated by former President Barack Obama.

The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit amounts to an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for investigators to continue scrutinizing the documents as they consider whether to bring criminal charges over the storage of of top-secret records at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. In lifting a hold on a core aspect of the department's probe, the court removed an obstacle that could have delayed the investigation by weeks.

The appeals court also pointedly noted that Trump had presented no evidence that he had declassified the sensitive records, as he maintained as recently as Wednesday, and rejected the possibility that Trump could have an "individual interest in or need for" the roughly 100 documents with classification markings that were seized by the FBI in its Aug. 8 search of the Palm Beach property.

The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded, and national security concerns swept aside, by an order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in its inquiry. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team's request to review the records.

The appeals panel agreed with the Justice Department's concerns.

"It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in 'exceptionally grave damage to the national security,'" they wrote. "Ascertaining that," they added, "necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised."

An injunction that delayed or prevented the criminal investigation "from using classified materials risks imposing real and significant harm on the United States and the public," they wrote.

Lawyers for Trump did not return an email seeking comment on whether they would appeal the ruling. The Justice Department did not have an immediate comment.

The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised, though is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.

Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump.

Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role and held his first meeting on Tuesday with lawyers for both sides.

The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump had no plausible basis to invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could the records be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.

It had also contested Cannon's order requiring it to provide Dearie and Trump's lawyers with access to the classified material. The court sided with the Justice Department on Wednesday, saying "courts should order review of such materials in only the most extraordinary circumstances. The record does not allow for the conclusion that this is such a circumstance."

Trump has repeatedly maintained that he had declassified the material. In a Fox News Channel interview recorded Wednesday before the appeals court ruling, he said, "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying 'It's declassified.'"

Though his lawyers have said a president has absolute authority to declassify information, they have notably stopped short of asserting that the records were declassified. The Trump team this week resisted providing Dearie with any information to support the idea that the records might have been declassified, saying the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.

The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents and even included a photo in one court filing of some of the seized documents with colored cover sheets indicating their classified status. The appeals court, too, made the same point.

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the judges wrote. "In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
 
WASHINGTON — In a stark repudiation of Donald Trump's legal arguments, a federal appeals court on Wednesday permitted the Justice Department to resume its use of classified records seized from the former president's Florida estate as part of its ongoing criminal investigation.

Two of the three judges who issued Wednesday's ruling — Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher — were nominated to the 11th Circuit by Trump. Judge Robin Rosenbaum was nominated by former President Barack Obama.

The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit amounts to an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for investigators to continue scrutinizing the documents as they consider whether to bring criminal charges over the storage of of top-secret records at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. In lifting a hold on a core aspect of the department's probe, the court removed an obstacle that could have delayed the investigation by weeks.

The appeals court also pointedly noted that Trump had presented no evidence that he had declassified the sensitive records, as he maintained as recently as Wednesday, and rejected the possibility that Trump could have an "individual interest in or need for" the roughly 100 documents with classification markings that were seized by the FBI in its Aug. 8 search of the Palm Beach property.

The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded, and national security concerns swept aside, by an order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in its inquiry. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team's request to review the records.

The appeals panel agreed with the Justice Department's concerns.

"It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in 'exceptionally grave damage to the national security,'" they wrote. "Ascertaining that," they added, "necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised."

An injunction that delayed or prevented the criminal investigation "from using classified materials risks imposing real and significant harm on the United States and the public," they wrote.

Lawyers for Trump did not return an email seeking comment on whether they would appeal the ruling. The Justice Department did not have an immediate comment.

The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised, though is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.

Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump.

Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role and held his first meeting on Tuesday with lawyers for both sides.

The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump had no plausible basis to invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could the records be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.

It had also contested Cannon's order requiring it to provide Dearie and Trump's lawyers with access to the classified material. The court sided with the Justice Department on Wednesday, saying "courts should order review of such materials in only the most extraordinary circumstances. The record does not allow for the conclusion that this is such a circumstance."

Trump has repeatedly maintained that he had declassified the material. In a Fox News Channel interview recorded Wednesday before the appeals court ruling, he said, "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying 'It's declassified.'"

Though his lawyers have said a president has absolute authority to declassify information, they have notably stopped short of asserting that the records were declassified. The Trump team this week resisted providing Dearie with any information to support the idea that the records might have been declassified, saying the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.

The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents and even included a photo in one court filing of some of the seized documents with colored cover sheets indicating their classified status. The appeals court, too, made the same point.

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the judges wrote. "In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
and the court of public opinion has ruled that you are a kool aid drinking mindless sheeple.......and it was a unanimous verdict. We probably won't hear from you much after the midterms so enjoy it while you can
 
WASHINGTON — In a stark repudiation of Donald Trump's legal arguments, a federal appeals court on Wednesday permitted the Justice Department to resume its use of classified records seized from the former president's Florida estate as part of its ongoing criminal investigation.

Two of the three judges who issued Wednesday's ruling — Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher — were nominated to the 11th Circuit by Trump. Judge Robin Rosenbaum was nominated by former President Barack Obama.

The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit amounts to an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for investigators to continue scrutinizing the documents as they consider whether to bring criminal charges over the storage of of top-secret records at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. In lifting a hold on a core aspect of the department's probe, the court removed an obstacle that could have delayed the investigation by weeks.

The appeals court also pointedly noted that Trump had presented no evidence that he had declassified the sensitive records, as he maintained as recently as Wednesday, and rejected the possibility that Trump could have an "individual interest in or need for" the roughly 100 documents with classification markings that were seized by the FBI in its Aug. 8 search of the Palm Beach property.

The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded, and national security concerns swept aside, by an order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in its inquiry. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team's request to review the records.

The appeals panel agreed with the Justice Department's concerns.

"It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in 'exceptionally grave damage to the national security,'" they wrote. "Ascertaining that," they added, "necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised."

An injunction that delayed or prevented the criminal investigation "from using classified materials risks imposing real and significant harm on the United States and the public," they wrote.

Lawyers for Trump did not return an email seeking comment on whether they would appeal the ruling. The Justice Department did not have an immediate comment.

The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised, though is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.

Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump.

Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role and held his first meeting on Tuesday with lawyers for both sides.

The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump had no plausible basis to invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could the records be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.

It had also contested Cannon's order requiring it to provide Dearie and Trump's lawyers with access to the classified material. The court sided with the Justice Department on Wednesday, saying "courts should order review of such materials in only the most extraordinary circumstances. The record does not allow for the conclusion that this is such a circumstance."

Trump has repeatedly maintained that he had declassified the material. In a Fox News Channel interview recorded Wednesday before the appeals court ruling, he said, "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying 'It's declassified.'"

Though his lawyers have said a president has absolute authority to declassify information, they have notably stopped short of asserting that the records were declassified. The Trump team this week resisted providing Dearie with any information to support the idea that the records might have been declassified, saying the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.

The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents and even included a photo in one court filing of some of the seized documents with colored cover sheets indicating their classified status. The appeals court, too, made the same point.

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the judges wrote. "In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
“Oh dear gawd, but but but those empty folders stamped classified!”….libtard
 
I think we can all agree that this is great news.
I agree it's good news because once DOJ investigators finish their "witch hunt" trying to see if Trump absconded from the WH with documents he wasn't legally allowed to have proves he took nothing illegally, he can then defiantly resume his plans to win back the Presidency. You're happy because you think (hope) this news prevents that from happening, but you will eventually be disappointed after this investigation fails to keep Trump from triumphantly returning to the Office that was unjustly stolen from him.

@bamaEER
"The WH wasn't stolen, Trump lost fair and square...Biden beat him with a better campaign, and a better plan for the country because he's the better man!"

You don't really believe that do 'ya @bamaEER???
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Poor guy. 😏
 
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WASHINGTON — In a stark repudiation of Donald Trump's legal arguments, a federal appeals court on Wednesday permitted the Justice Department to resume its use of classified records seized from the former president's Florida estate as part of its ongoing criminal investigation.

Two of the three judges who issued Wednesday's ruling — Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher — were nominated to the 11th Circuit by Trump. Judge Robin Rosenbaum was nominated by former President Barack Obama.

The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit amounts to an overwhelming victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for investigators to continue scrutinizing the documents as they consider whether to bring criminal charges over the storage of of top-secret records at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. In lifting a hold on a core aspect of the department's probe, the court removed an obstacle that could have delayed the investigation by weeks.

The appeals court also pointedly noted that Trump had presented no evidence that he had declassified the sensitive records, as he maintained as recently as Wednesday, and rejected the possibility that Trump could have an "individual interest in or need for" the roughly 100 documents with classification markings that were seized by the FBI in its Aug. 8 search of the Palm Beach property.

The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded, and national security concerns swept aside, by an order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in its inquiry. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team's request to review the records.

The appeals panel agreed with the Justice Department's concerns.

"It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in 'exceptionally grave damage to the national security,'" they wrote. "Ascertaining that," they added, "necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised."

An injunction that delayed or prevented the criminal investigation "from using classified materials risks imposing real and significant harm on the United States and the public," they wrote.

Lawyers for Trump did not return an email seeking comment on whether they would appeal the ruling. The Justice Department did not have an immediate comment.

The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised, though is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.

Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump.

Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role and held his first meeting on Tuesday with lawyers for both sides.

The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump had no plausible basis to invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could the records be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.

It had also contested Cannon's order requiring it to provide Dearie and Trump's lawyers with access to the classified material. The court sided with the Justice Department on Wednesday, saying "courts should order review of such materials in only the most extraordinary circumstances. The record does not allow for the conclusion that this is such a circumstance."

Trump has repeatedly maintained that he had declassified the material. In a Fox News Channel interview recorded Wednesday before the appeals court ruling, he said, "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying 'It's declassified.'"

Though his lawyers have said a president has absolute authority to declassify information, they have notably stopped short of asserting that the records were declassified. The Trump team this week resisted providing Dearie with any information to support the idea that the records might have been declassified, saying the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.

The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents and even included a photo in one court filing of some of the seized documents with colored cover sheets indicating their classified status. The appeals court, too, made the same point.

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the judges wrote. "In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
This article proves how hopelessly gullible you are! An investigation in search of "something" without investigators already being aware of what that "something" ultimately proves to be is an investigation that will likely yield "nothing". IF the DOJ doesn't already have an idea of exactly what they're looking for pouring over Trump's WH records, chances are they're not going to find it. (if there's anything they are really legitimately after?) Criminal investigations by their nature are a search for hard evidence that proves a crime has been or was committed! You can't investigate evidence of a crime without specifying what the crime was or having no awareness of what you're looking for in terms of supportable, provable, & verifiable hard evidence!

Yet here you are, hanging onto another "fake news" hit piece suggesting Trump is criminally in possession of unspecified classified documents he's not legally allowed to have. Again, if the DOJ doesn't already know what Trump is illegally in possession of, chances are 99.9% against them finding anything he's not perfectly legitimately & legally allowed to have. My Lord!

You're such a lemming.
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and the court of public opinion has ruled that you are a kool aid drinking mindless sheeple.......and it was a unanimous verdict. We probably won't hear from you much after the midterms so enjoy it while you can
I’ll always post the real news, facts, and truth.

You can’t handle the Truth.
 
I’ll always post the real news, facts, and truth.
Not from the sources you quote! They lie just like the party they support and YOU vote for.

So you really believed their reporting that Joe Biden was a "moderate" who'd heal us & bring us all together right?
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I agree it's good news because once DOJ investigators finish their "witch hunt" trying to see if Trump absconded from the WH with documents he wasn't legally allowed to have proves he took nothing illegally, he can then defiantly resume his plans to win back the Presidency. You're happy because you think (hope) this news prevents that from happening, but you will eventually be disappointed after this investigation fails to keep Trump from triumphantly returning to the Office that was unjustly stolen from him.

@bamaEER
"The WH wasn't stolen, Trump lost fair and square...Biden beat him with a better campaign, and a better plan for the country because he's the better man!"

You don't really believe that do 'ya @bamaEER???
giphy.gif

Poor guy. 😏

This article proves how hopelessly gullible you are! An investigation in search of "something" without investigators already being aware of what that "something" ultimately proves to be is an investigation that will likely yield "nothing". IF the DOJ doesn't already have an idea of exactly what they're looking for pouring over Trump's WH records, chances are they're not going to find it. (if there's anything they are really legitimately after?) Criminal investigations by their nature are a search for hard evidence that proves a crime has been or was committed! You can't investigate evidence of a crime without specifying what the crime was or having no awareness of what you're looking for in terms of supportable, provable, & verifiable hard evidence!

Yet here you are, hanging onto another "fake news" hit piece suggesting Trump is criminally in possession of unspecified classified documents he's not legally allowed to have. Again, if the DOJ doesn't already know what Trump is illegally in possession of, chances are 99.9% against them finding anything he's not perfectly legitimately & legally allowed to have. My Lord!

You're such a lemming.
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The FBI, Democrats know this is a sham.. However, the goal is to deceive the voting base. They are successful because of their brainless cult of losers like moe, Tard (BamaEER) and all the rest of these idiots.
 
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The FBI, Democrats know this is a sham.. However, the goal is to deceive the voting base. They are successful because of their brainless cult of losers like moe, Tard (BamaEER) and all the rest of these idiots.
They'll find out soon enough they've been sent down another one way rabbit hole. 😏
 
They'll find out soon enough they've been sent down another one way rabbit hole. 😏
Mark Levin on Fox News is a constitutional expert. And he has said it does not matter how or why Trump had anything classified stamped or not. He read straight from the constitution and it says the president can make anything at any point and time classified or unclassified just by saying it. It’s at his discretion. He doesn’t have to have a formal process or anything. Everything the other side is saying is a distraction. Trump says it’s unclassified. And he is a former president. So it doesn’t matter when he declares it unclassified. The end.
 
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Mark Levin on Fox News is a constitutional expert. And he has said it does not matter how or why Trump had anything classified stamped or not. He read straight from the constitution and it says the president can make anything at any point and time classified or unclassified just by saying it. It’s at his discretion. He doesn’t have to have a formal process or anything. Everything the other side is saying is a distraction. Trump says it’s unclassified. And he is a former president. So it doesn’t matter when he declares it unclassified. The end.
You lead to a relevant point. If one can put aside politics momentarily (i have little confidence in any of them, Dem or Repub; they're almost all just out for themselves), and look at this from a legal perspective, there is a pattern of the evidence produced in court being vastly different than what is said to the media. Consider this analysis of the "classified documents" argument by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in their ruling yesterday, at page 19 (written by a 3-judge panel, two of whom were appointed by President Trump):

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. See Doc. No. 97 at 2–3., Sept. 19, 2022, letter from James M. Trusty, et al., to Special Master Raymond J. Dearie, at 2–3. In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
 
there is a pattern of the evidence produced in court being vastly different than what is said to the media.
What I find fascinating is why they're so reluctant to specify exactly what documents Trump allegedly removed without permission? Seems to me if they know something's missing, they know what it is? Ironically they're engaged in speculation through media leaks and clandestine plants what Trump may have taken without permission, while refusing to specify at least the scope of their investigation or the parameters of the documentation they suspect is being held illegally.

It all suggests another manufactured story designed to smear Trump, or frame him if they can plant something then accuse him of concealing it.
 
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You lead to a relevant point. If one can put aside politics momentarily (i have little confidence in any of them, Dem or Repub; they're almost all just out for themselves), and look at this from a legal perspective, there is a pattern of the evidence produced in court being vastly different than what is said to the media. Consider this analysis of the "classified documents" argument by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in their ruling yesterday, at page 19 (written by a 3-judge panel, two of whom were appointed by President Trump):

"Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. See Doc. No. 97 at 2–3., Sept. 19, 2022, letter from James M. Trusty, et al., to Special Master Raymond J. Dearie, at 2–3. In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal."
The point Mark Levin is making, it can be classified until Trump uttered the words declassified. Whether or not this is the “right way” or not, this is the exact way it was intended by the founders when the constitution was written. Therefore, as Levin put it, it doesn’t matter. Trump was president and he determines this. It doesn’t matter if he’s in office or not. He can take items with him as every other president has done. Why isn’t the fbi raiding into Bill Clintons home? How about Obama? How about George Bush? Jimmy Carter? The foolish part is this act like Trump was some ordinary citizen who stole these documents. He was the damn president of the US. He had access to this. It doesn’t matter if he reads it again as a former president. It’s not a crime.
 
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