Although I’m not a fan of life sentences without the chance of parole...

[Boomboom521]

I’m hoping it’s what the Florida killer gets. For this reason: I want him to receive psych care (extensive psych care). Not because I want him cured. I want him to give insight to psychologists on why he chose to do this act. I want us to find a way to identify and help these troubled youths before these types of tragedies.

Was he calling out for help? What help would have been accepted by him? What influences pushed him towards this act against classmates and teachers? What could have been done better at the school?

Is this just my liberal idealism at work here? If so, I’d rather not pay for this kid to be punished for life.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I’m hoping it’s what the Florida killer gets. For this reason: I want him to receive psych care (extensive psych care). Not because I want him cured. I want him to give insight to psychologists on why he chose to do this act. I want us to find a way to identify and help these troubled youths before these types of tragedies.

Was he calling out for help? What help would have been accepted by him? What influences pushed him towards this act against classmates and teachers? What could have been done better at the school?

Is this just my liberal idealism at work here? If so, I’d rather not pay for this kid to be punished for life.

Instead of jail we should just kill him? Is that what you are arguing for?

 

[Boomboom521]

Instead of jail we should just kill him? Is that what you are arguing for?

I’d like for a life sentence. For the above reasons.

I’m not a fan of life sentences without a chance of parole. I think they constitute cruel and unusual. I’m not a fan of the death penalty either per se, but I don’t think this kid should have a chance to be free again.

The point of my post was not to debate the death penalty, but to see if anyone else sees a possible worth in learning from his mind.

 

[wvu2007]

Instead of jail we should just kill him? Is that what you are arguing for?

Not sure how you got any of that out of what he posted. wtf?

 

[bornaneer]

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty because we know that innocent people gets executed. However.....in this clear cut heinous case.....I would be even be ok with torturing the asshole. Maybe they could turn him loose into an area and let some of our gun nut hunters have a crack at him.

 

[Op2]

Musical acts at halftime of the Super Bowl is getting old. We need to bring together a half dozen or so high profile death row inmates and bring them on the field at half time and have a suspense filled drawing and whichever one is chosen is executed right there on national TV. And all the others get released on the spot.

I bet you wouldn't be short of death row volunteers. You'd hava a 4 in 5 chance of being set free and a 1 in 5 chance of being executed immediately. I bet death row people would jump at the chance.

And yes, I realize you can't actually do that but it would make a good movie scene or plot.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Strap him in a chair, get the longest needle you can find, and end his days on earth for what he did.........simple solution.......let me add, while he's dying, make him listen to Justin Beiber's music as extra punishment.......

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

I’m hoping it’s what the Florida killer gets. For this reason: I want him to receive psych care (extensive psych care). Not because I want him cured. I want him to give insight to psychologists on why he chose to do this act. I want us to find a way to identify and help these troubled youths before these types of tragedies.

Was he calling out for help? What help would have been accepted by him? What influences pushed him towards this act against classmates and teachers? What could have been done better at the school?

Is this just my liberal idealism at work here? If so, I’d rather not pay for this kid to be punished for life.

kind of like studying him to see what makes him tick?......maybe not a bad idea...especially if the prosecutor takes death off the table

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Strap him in a chair, get the longest needle you can find, and end his days on earth for what he did.........simple solution.......let me add, while he's dying, make him listen to Justin Beiber's music as extra punishment.......

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:[thumb2]

 

[Boomboom521]

Strap him in a chair, get the longest needle you can find, and end his days on earth for what he did.........simple solution.......let me add, while he's dying, make him listen to Justin Beiber's music as extra punishment.......

I think there’s something to learn from this kid.....is my original point

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Musical acts at halftime of the Super Bowl is getting old. We need to bring together a half dozen or so high profile death row inmates and bring them on the field at half time and have a suspense filled drawing and whichever one is chosen is executed right there on national TV. And all the others get released on the spot.

I bet you wouldn't be short of death row volunteers. You'd hava a 4 in 5 chance of being set free and a 1 in 5 chance of being executed immediately. I bet death row people would jump at the chance.

And yes, I realize you can't actually do that but it would make a good movie scene or plot.

remember Gary gilmore?...you might be on to something there....has to get better ratings than wardrobe malfunctions

 

[Op2]

remember Gary gilmore?...you might be on to something there....has to get better ratings than wardrobe malfunctions

I remember when Gary Gilmore was a big deal but I'm not sure what for. I think he may have been the first person executed in the US after the Supreme Court made it legal again, or something like that. I remember when SNL had a skit poking fun at him.

In all seriousness re. the Super Bowl though, they ought to come up with something else. A musical act is the only thing they can come up with year after year? Really? They're not thinking hard enough. They have 100 million viewers. They should take advantage of that and come up with something better. The particular musician playing in any given year isn't the point.

 

[Airport]

I’m hoping it’s what the Florida killer gets. For this reason: I want him to receive psych care (extensive psych care). Not because I want him cured. I want him to give insight to psychologists on why he chose to do this act. I want us to find a way to identify and help these troubled youths before these types of tragedies.

Was he calling out for help? What help would have been accepted by him? What influences pushed him towards this act against classmates and teachers? What could have been done better at the school?

Is this just my liberal idealism at work here? If so, I’d rather not pay for this kid to be punished for life.

Life without parole for this guy would also include PC. Protective custody. Given a chance, other inmates will kill him. It will cost lots of money to keep him in PC for the rest of his life.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

I remember when Gary Gilmore was a big deal but I'm not sure what for. I think he may have been the first person executed in the US after the Supreme Court made it legal again, or something like that. I remember when SNL had a skit poking fun at him.

In all seriousness re. the Super Bowl though, they ought to come up with something else. A musical act is the only thing they can come up with year after year? Really? They're not thinking hard enough. They have 100 million viewers. They should take advantage of that and come up with something better. The particular musician playing in any given year isn't the point.

He wanted to (and I believe did) die by firing squad...in Utah I think.....some (including him) wanted it televised....big TV movie was made

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I’d like for a life sentence. For the above reasons.

I’m not a fan of life sentences without a chance of parole. I think they constitute cruel and unusual. I’m not a fan of the death penalty either per se, but I don’t think this kid should have a chance to be free again.

This just doesn't compute for me. Unless you're for upping the amount of death sentences, I don't see how we could ever remove life without parole convictions.

 

[Airport]

Musical acts at halftime of the Super Bowl is getting old. We need to bring together a half dozen or so high profile death row inmates and bring them on the field at half time and have a suspense filled drawing and whichever one is chosen is executed right there on national TV. And all the others get released on the spot.

I bet you wouldn't be short of death row volunteers. You'd hava a 4 in 5 chance of being set free and a 1 in 5 chance of being executed immediately. I bet death row people would jump at the chance.

And yes, I realize you can't actually do that but it would make a good movie scene or plot.

Why should 4 go free. Let the 5 fight it out, the one left alive go free.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

I remember when Gary Gilmore was a big deal but I'm not sure what for. I think he may have been the first person executed in the US after the Supreme Court made it legal again, or something like that. I remember when SNL had a skit poking fun at him.

In all seriousness re. the Super Bowl though, they ought to come up with something else. A musical act is the only thing they can come up with year after year? Really? They're not thinking hard enough. They have 100 million viewers. They should take advantage of that and come up with something better. The particular musician playing in any given year isn't the point.

many years ago when still in it's infancy the Super Bowl feature the "Up With People" group at halftime...some blind guy joined them in one of the most stirring renditions of the National Anthem I have ever heard......everyone stood back then too

 

[Airport]

He wanted to (and I believe did) die by firing squad...in Utah I think.....some (including him) wanted it televised....big TV movie was made

It was Utah, I think he killed a convience store worker during a robbery. We should bring firing squads, very lethal, quick and cheap.

 

[bornaneer]

I think there’s something to learn from this kid.....is my original point

Like lobotomies might be a solution?

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Why should 4 go free. Let the 5 fight it out, the one left alive go free.

American Gladiator...Super Bowl edition.....Lions 48 Christians 0

 

[MountaineerWV]

I think there’s something to learn from this kid.....is my original point

What have we learned by studying Hitler? Stalin? Dahmer? Crazy is just that, crazy! Nothing to learn here that we don't already know..........it's an easy decision for the prosecutor in my opinion.

 

[Boomboom521]

This just doesn't compute for me. Unless you're for upping the amount of death sentences, I don't see how we could ever remove life without parole convictions.

I think they should always have a chance for parole. Maybe set 10-20-30 years down the line, but still a chance. Otherwise, my personal spiritual beliefs allows for tormented energy to be realized and returned in a form less tormented.

No chance for parole, in solitary or in general, is a lifetime of torture (not punishment) and certainly not reform. I don’t know what the point is.

 

[Airport]

This just doesn't compute for me. Unless you're for upping the amount of death sentences, I don't see how we could ever remove life without parole convictions.

This kid would have to have PC, protective custody to prevent other inmates from killing him. Talk about expensive.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

It was Utah, I think he killed a convience store worker during a robbery. We should bring firing squads, very lethal, quick and cheap.

trial=millions....bullet...2.50...do the math

 

[Boomboom521]

What have we learned by studying Hitler? Stalin? Dahmer? Crazy is just that, crazy! Nothing to learn here that we don't already know..........it's an easy decision for the prosecutor in my opinion.

This is youth though.

 

[Airport]

I think they should always have a chance for parole. Maybe set 10-20-30 years down the line, but still a chance. Otherwise, my personal spiritual beliefs allows for tormented energy to be realized and returned in a form less tormented.

No chance for parole, in solitary or in general, is a lifetime of torture (not punishment) and certainly not reform. I don’t know what the point is.

Some people cannot be reformed nor should it be tried on the most heinous of crimes.

 

[Boomboom521]

This thread has taken an unfortunate turn, I feel that I should’ve seen coming

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

I think they should always have a chance for parole. Maybe set 10-20-30 years down the line, but still a chance. Otherwise, my personal spiritual beliefs allows for tormented energy to be realized and returned in a form less tormented.

No chance for parole, in solitary or in general, is a lifetime of torture (not punishment) and certainly not reform. I don’t know what the point is.

have to disagree with you here...usually the sentences for life without parole are for things that would be considered torture for their victims...so why should they suffer any less...they should suffer more

 

[TarHeelEer]

This is youth though.

He was already troubled as all getout, and his "mom" died recently, triggering the event, supposedly. I don't know what there is to learn.

 

[Op2]

Why should 4 go free. Let the 5 fight it out, the one left alive go free.

Maybe we could have gradations. One get executed, one get shot in the leg and has to go back to jail, one gets shot in the leg but gets to go free, etc.

Or maybe we could just have a big wheel to spin, like on The Price Is Right and whatever comes up...execution, freedom, whatever...is what happens. Whenever a spin of the wheel comes up on "Execution" the PA system at the stadium could play one of those "WAH WAH" sounds like it does on the game show when the person loses.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Maybe we could have gradations. One get executed, one get shot in the leg and has to go back to jail, one gets shot in the leg but gets to go free, etc.

Or maybe we could just have a big wheel to spin, like on The Price Is Right and whatever comes up...execution, freedom, whatever...is what happens. Whenever a spin of the wheel comes up on "Execution" the PA system at the stadium could play one of those "WAH WAH" sounds like it does on the game show when the person loses.

you are on the right track here....keep going

 

[MountaineerWV]

This is youth though.

Nope......he stopped being that when he bought his assault rifle, came up with his plan, and began killing innocent people........kill him and let him begin his burning in Hell ASAP.

 

[Op2]

you are on the right track here....keep going

LOL...I don't know what comes next, please enlighten me.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

LOL...I don't know what comes next, please enlighten me.

why stop at just the super bowl....why not a weekly series where we take the worst of the worst and find inventive ways to do the execution....let the inmate pick how he or she goes out.......would definitely create some space and wouldn't cost the taxpayers much.......reality TV to the max

 

[Op2]

you are on the right track here....keep going

Maybe in addition to death row prisoners we could add regular folk to the game. If it comes up on the right spot they get a million dollars or a new car. But if it comes up on the wrong spot they have to spend five years in jail.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Maybe in addition to death row prisoners we could add regular folk to the game. If it comes up on the right spot they get a million dollars or a new car. But if it comes up on the wrong spot they have to spend five years in jail.

make that part the preliminary round to get the crowd fired up for the real thing....and add this...let the audience...both live and TV... vote on the punishment for the regular folk...you either get a million bucks or 10 years and then we get to see someone zapped.......this will pass Duck dynasty and make reality tv history...we need to make sure we are executive producers at least....but I'm NOT moving to california

 

[Airport]

This thread has taken an unfortunate turn, I feel that I should’ve seen coming

Kinda like a lot of our legislation from Congress.

 

[atlkvb]

I think they should always have a chance for parole. Maybe set 10-20-30 years down the line, but still a chance. Otherwise, my personal spiritual beliefs allows for tormented energy to be realized and returned in a form less tormented.

No chance for parole, in solitary or in general, is a lifetime of torture (not punishment) and certainly not reform. I don’t know what the point is.

I know you don't believe this, but would you consider that's (in bold) his fate already awaiting him if he doesn't repent for his murders? I like your idea of delving into his mind. If doing so revealed he was possessed by pure Evil (your "tormented energy") would you then become convinced there is such a thing vs say good?

Justice in this case given by your example is the effort to understand this Evil correct? So even if we knew why he did it, how is Justice served? what corrects what he did wrong? (In your opinion)

By the way, I think it would be constructive to learn from him what sent him off? We might learn something about ourselves and how easily any of us can all be in as dark a place as he was and open to those influences.

 

[atlkvb]

you are on the right track here....keep going

This is good comedy...now I know why there is only one who administers ultimate Justice. Some of you guys are brutal if not altogether funny!

 

[atlkvb]

Whenever a spin of the wheel comes up on "Execution" the PA system at the stadium could play one of those "WAH WAH" sounds like it does on the game show when the person loses.

why stop at just the super bowl....why not a weekly series where we take the worst of the worst and find inventive ways to do the execution....let the inmate pick how he or she goes out

Maybe in addition to death row prisoners we could add regular folk to the game. If it comes up on the right spot they get a million dollars or a new car. But if it comes up on the wrong spot they have to spend five years in jail.

make that part the preliminary round to get the crowd fired up for the real thing....and add this...let the audience...both live and TV... vote on the punishment for the regular folk...you either get a million bucks or 10 years and then we get to see someone zapped..

Too funny!!!!!!