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A little history lesson

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To those of you who are younger and don't know much about these events, we "older" folks lived through all of this and it's true.

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the “bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle was:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans - “what difference does it make?”

Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!
 
To those of you who are younger and don't know much about these events, we "older" folks lived through all of this and it's true.

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the “bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle was:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans - “what difference does it make?”

Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!

As for your Waco response, let me get this straight.......it is OK to bomb the Hell out of Syria, Afghanistan, etc., to kill terrorists, even if it means killing dozens of "innocent women and children" but it wasn't OK to go after a madman who was raping and brainwashing those inside?
 
As for your Waco response, let me get this straight.......it is OK to bomb the Hell out of Syria, Afghanistan, etc., to kill terrorists, even if it means killing dozens of "innocent women and children" but it wasn't OK to go after a madman who was raping and brainwashing those inside?
Waco and Ruby Ridge were complete shit shows. There is zero way to spin those.
 
Typical neocon post that mixes a little bit of truth with a whole lot of fiction.

Go tell a fellow necon how horrible PP is and incite more "vilance". Maybe he'll kill a few people in the name of God.
 
To those of you who are younger and don't know much about these events, we "older" folks lived through all of this and it's true.

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the “bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle was:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans - “what difference does it make?”

Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!
This is essentially what I meant when I said you have to look deeper than just having a title. As in, how did she perform in that role.

This coupled with the files of her and Bill's close friend/psychologist pretty much decimate her as First Lady. Scratch that title off.

Backing up. Attorney on Watergate...removed

Senator Clinton: voted for and led the charge for Iraq. Did not sponsor a single piece of legislation.

SoS Clinton: hahahaha, I'm sure there have been bigger failures in this office, just not sure when.
 
Typical neocon post that mixes a little bit of truth with a whole lot of fiction.

Go tell a fellow necon how horrible PP is and incite more "vilance". Maybe he'll kill a few people in the name of God.
Confusing post is confusing.
 
Waco and Ruby Ridge were complete shit shows. There is zero way to spin those.

I'm not spinning anything. But when you say "innocent women and children were killed" when speaking of an operation in the United States to take down a psycho-Religious man, but then turn around and want to drop bombs in other countries, which will also result in the deaths of innocent women and children because of those terrorists who have psycho-Religious beliefs.....well......that's more than just being a hypocrite.
 
I'm not spinning anything. But when you say "innocent women and children were killed" when speaking of an operation in the United States to take down a psycho-Religious man, but then turn around and want to drop bombs in other countries, which will also result in the deaths of innocent women and children because of those terrorists who have psycho-Religious beliefs.....well......that's more than just being a hypocrite.
So being the victim of religious brainwashing and rape now means it's ok to be burnt alive.

Another difference is Koresh despite being a lunatic still had the protection of the US Constitution.
 
Some liberals are as clueless and evil as it comes. Their leaders lead them with that ring in their nose. Hillary is one evil person. She would cut anyone's throat to get what she wants. Read Revelation 17. The woman in red riding the liberal USA. be
 
I can't believe you made such a morally offensive statement.
Party before country. No rational person should look at Hillary's past and think she is a suitable candidate. The fact that she is leading in the polls for the DNC tells me everything I need to know about that party. It's far more reprehensible than Trump and him leading is also disturbing.

If she wins and she likely will, we will have 4 more years at a minimum of what we see today. I have come to the conclusion that people who can't see that are willfully blind and only want to see either a woman President or want the DNC to remain in the Whitehouse.
 
So being the victim of religious brainwashing and rape now means it's ok to be burnt alive.

Another difference is Koresh despite being a lunatic still had the protection of the US Constitution.

I never said that. I said that those who want to say what we did in Waco was "bad" are the same ones that want us to drop bombs on places in the Middle East, which will result in INNOCENT women and children being killed. Those situations are parallel.....only difference is the lives in Waco were "American-Christians" and those in the Middle East would be "Arab-Muslim". I guess the caveat should be "innocent CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN women and children" should not be murdered by our government.
 
I never said that. I said that those who want to say what we did in Waco was "bad" are the same ones that want us to drop bombs on places in the Middle East, which will result in INNOCENT women and children being killed. Those situations are parallel.....only difference is the lives in Waco were "American-Christians" and those in the Middle East would be "Arab-Muslim". I guess the caveat should be "innocent CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN women and children" should not be murdered by our government.
Horrible comparison.

86 Americans died as a result of that clusterfvck. Evidence tampering, lying under oath, and pyrotechnic grenades used in a wooden compound. Due process anyone?
 
Horrible comparison.

86 Americans died as a result of that clusterfvck. Evidence tampering, lying under oath, and pyrotechnic grenades used in a wooden compound. Due process anyone?

Well, it's obvious you are missing the point. When we drop a bomb to kill a terrorist, there's a good likelihood that an innocent woman or child will also be killed. I'm not talking about cover ups, lying, etc. I'm talking about the action that killed. That is the comparison, and it's spot on. A life is a life.
 
Well, it's obvious you are missing the point. When we drop a bomb to kill a terrorist, there's a good likelihood that an innocent woman or child will also be killed. I'm not talking about cover ups, lying, etc. I'm talking about the action that killed. That is the comparison, and it's spot on. A life is a life.
Oh ok, I guess that makes it ok. Smh
 
That Janet Reno, she was a good one...said no one ever. Back to Hilldog, she made the selection.
Hillary selected Janet Reno? Is that what you are claiming? I've seen you post some very inventive things but that is a doozy.
 
Backing up. Attorney on Watergate...removed

Yes, when Watergate was over. It's been shown over and over that the lying asshole who claimed to have fired her wasn't even her superior during Watergate and couldn't have fired her. He started out by saying that if he had been her superior, he would have gotten rid of her, then later morphed that into a statement that he fired her in his book, probably figuring nobody would bother checking.

If you're going to criticize, base it on facts -- there are plenty available when it comes to Hillary.
 
Yes, when Watergate was over. It's been shown over and over that the lying asshole who claimed to have fired her wasn't even her superior during Watergate and couldn't have fired her. He started out by saying that if he had been her superior, he would have gotten rid of her, then later morphed that into a statement that he fired her in his book, probably figuring nobody would bother checking.




If you're going to criticize, base it on facts -- there are plenty available when it comes to Hillary.
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Bill Clinton's loving wife


by Dick Morris, former political adviser to President Bill Clinton



If you happen to see the Bill Clinton 5-minute TV ad for Hillary in which he introduces the commercial by saying he wants to share some things we may not know about Hillary's background, beware. As I was there for most of their presidency and know them better than just about anyone, I offer a few corrections.


Bill says: "In law school, Hillary worked on legal services for the poor."

The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.


Bill says: "Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids."

The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.


Bill says: "Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers."

The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam; yes, flunked. It is a matter of record, and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas - none - and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She did not join the prestigious Rose Law Firm until Bill became Arkansas Attorney General and was made a partner only after he was elected Arkansas Governor.


Bill says: "President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman."

The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill's support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy. Hillary then became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter's choice to be chairman.


Bill says: "She served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital."

The facts are: Yes, she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Walmart board of directors for a substantial fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices.


Bill says: "Hillary didn't succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994, but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance."

The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I know; I helped negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals' tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.


Bill says: "Hillary was the face of America all over the world."

The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them.


Bill says: "Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children's and women's issues."

The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One set up a national park in Puerto Rico . A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer's or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 9/11 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation. Presently she is trying to have the US memorialize the Woodstock fiasco of 40 years ago.


Bottom line: She goes hand in hand with the ACLU on far too many issues where common sense is abandoned.


Think about it - Dick Morris has said all of this openly, thus if he were not truthful he'd be liable for defamation of character! And you better believe Hillary would sue him.
 
You're going to be one pissed off dude next November.
Its funny how you keep saying you dont support her and dont like her when confronted with her failures and pathetic record but the you talk smack like you are queen hillary cheerleader.

Bottom line you support party over country.
 
Its funny how you keep saying you dont support her and dont like her when confronted with her failures and pathetic record but the you talk smack like you are queen hillary cheerleader.

Bottom line you support party over country.
Im smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Are you intelligent enough to predict something even though you may not like the outcome.
 
Im smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Are you intelligent enough to predict something even though you may not like the outcome.
There you go misusing that word intelligent again. I will snicker directly at you for mentioning intelligence again. How much "intelligence" does it take to make a prediction months before we know who is on the ticket?
 
Snicker all you want. Mark it down, Im calling it now, even though I dont like it. Madam President.
 
Some liberals are as clueless and evil as it comes. Their leaders lead them with that ring in their nose. Hillary is one evil person. She would cut anyone's throat to get what she wants. Read Revelation 17. The woman in red riding the liberal USA. be

That's not even close to a valid interpretation of Revelation 17.
 
Where do you keep coming up with my thoughts? You suck at it.

You always blast people for saying Hillary or any other Democrat, so provide us with your person who can "fix" our problems then? Instead of just bashing others for putting out there their people.
 
You always blast people for saying Hillary or any other Democrat, so provide us with your person who can "fix" our problems then? Instead of just bashing others for putting out there their people.
I havè. What does who I like have to do with you guys supporting awful candidates because you vote for the letter besude their name?
 
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