Oregon wingnuts taking over a federal building because their fellow

[RichardPeterJohnson]

wingnuts are going to jail for arson. I say tear gas the shit out of those kooks and if they come out with guns, shoot them. What happened to law and order among conservatives?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-monitoring-situation-oregon-national-wildlife-refuge/story?id=36075007

 

[rog1187]

wingnuts are going to jail for arson. I say tear gas the shit out of those kooks and if they come out with guns, shoot them. What happened to law and order among conservatives?

LOL...I was betting you would be the first one to post about this and you didn't let me down...now if I was only this good with pick-em contests. Yep those guys are idiots, but I'm not sure an armed confrontation would be the first move here...interesting that someone that speaks out against gun violence is so eager to use it as a first option.

As far as the Hammond case, I read a detailed account of what the Feds have been during and it has been shady to say the least...and as far as I have read they aren't part of the takeover.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

LOL...I was betting you would be the first one to post about this and you didn't let me down...now if I was only this good with pick-em contests. Yep those guys are idiots, but I'm not sure an armed confrontation would be the first move here...interesting that someone that speaks out against gun violence is so eager to use it as a first option.

As far as the Hammond case, I read a detailed account of what the Feds have been during and it has been shady to say the least...and as far as I have read they aren't part of the takeover.

I was betting you'd be the first moron to defend these people. When armed militants take over a federal building, they should be removed by any means necessary.

 

[rog1187]

I was betting you'd be the first moron to defend these people. When armed militants take over a federal building, they should be removed by any means necessary.

ummm can you show where I defended their actions? Maybe you need a new refraction so you can see better. If the experts thought an armed confrotation was the best option it would have already happened - but it hasn't gone done that way for a reason. It might come to that, but it's not the first option.

 

[robEERt]

wingnuts are going to jail for arson. I say tear gas the shit out of those kooks and if they come out with guns, shoot them. What happened to law and order among conservatives?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-monitoring-situation-oregon-national-wildlife-refuge/story?id=36075007

That's just exactly what the Nazi's would have done. Gas them or shoot them., take away their guns so they can not defend themselves and suppress them under the jackboot. Obama and Hillary would love it.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

That's just exactly what the Nazi's would have done. Gas them or shoot them., take away their guns so they can not defend themselves and suppress them under the jackboot. Obama and Hillary would love it.

I know this will prove to be futile to have even a modicum of discourse with you but, you are ok with a group of citizens forcefully taking over US govt property?

 

[Airport]

I know this will prove to be futile to have even a modicum of discourse with you but, you are ok with a group of citizens forcefully taking over US govt property?

I'm not and I'm not in favor of a group such as the group that took over wall street or black lives matter being able to shut down private property at a mall or demonstrate like they did in any city years ago.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I'm not and I'm not in favor of a group such as the group that took over wall street or black lives matter being able to shut down private property at a mall or demonstrate like they did in any city years ago.

There is huge difference between protesting and armed rebellion. I actually walked by the Wall St protests a few years ago while visiting NYC and these people were confined to a public park in lower Manhattan. So I'm not sure how you are equating the two.

 

[Airport]

There is huge difference between protesting and armed rebellion. I actually walked by the Wall St protests a few years ago while visiting NYC and these people were confined to a public park in lower Manhattan. So I'm not sure how you are equating the two.

Black lives matter being able to shut down a private mall shouldn't be allowed. They too should have been confined to a small area like Occupy. Unfortuantely they didn't just keep themselves to the small area, they defecated on police cars and other stupid stuff. Those groups over extend what they are allowed to do and they are never made to pay any consequences of their actions. There should be a limit to the length of the protest. Do you remember the one protestor who was offered a 50,000 a year job and he said it wasn't enough. I believe he had an art degree.

 

[countryroads89]

I'm not and I'm not in favor of a group such as the group that took over wall street or black lives matter being able to shut down private property at a mall or demonstrate like they did in any city years ago.

A few "subtle" differences; the group that protested against Wall Street were unarmed, occupying public sidewalks and park areas, not federal property and a federal building and did not interfere with federal business.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Black lives matter being able to shut down a private mall shouldn't be allowed. They too should have been confined to a small area like Occupy. Unfortuantely they didn't just keep themselves to the small area, they defecated on police cars and other stupid stuff. Those groups over extend what they are allowed to do and they are never made to pay any consequences of their actions. There should be a limit to the length of the protest. Do you remember the one protestor who was offered a 50,000 a year job and he said it wasn't enough. I believe he had an art degree.

I agree that any protest should not be allowed to affect a private business. But protesting is protected in the 1st Amendment. If these jackasses in oregon want to protest, i'm all for it. But armed people forcefully taking over is begging for a violent confrontation. The Feds should not back down from this despite the right's continued love for koresh and the dude that got killed in his cabin. Btw, Streamsong was pretty special. two great courses and a 3rd being built . My caddy the first day was a kid who was the runner-up in the US Mid Am-Marc Dull. The 2nd day they gave me a guy who made it to the finals of Big break Mexico-Matt Galloway. Matt is also a former FL State Am champion. Good guys. I'm sure both were amused by my 80 and 81. I stunk it up. :cry:

 

[Airport]

A few "subtle" differences; the group that protested against Wall Street were unarmed, occupying public sidewalks and park areas, not federal property and a federal building and did not interfere with federal business.

They do not have the right to interfere with any business, private or public. Protest but do not interfere. If they interfere, they should be arrested and made to post bond. Stopping commerce is, or should be, against the law. occupy Wall street was nothing more than some people wanting something for nothing. Typical socialism.

 

[Airport]

I agree that any protest should not be allowed to affect a private business. But protesting is protected in the 1st Amendment. If these jackasses in oregon want to protest, i'm all for it. But armed people forcefully taking over is begging for a violent confrontation. The Feds should not back down from this despite the right's continued love for koresh and the dude that got killed in his cabin. Btw, Streamsong was pretty special. two great courses and a 3rd being built . My caddy the first day was a kid who was the runner-up in the US Mid Am-Marc Dull. The 2nd day they gave me a guy who made it to the finals of Big break Mexico-Matt Galloway. Matt is also a former FL State Am champion. Good guys. I'm sure both were amused by my 80 and 81. I stunk it up. :cry:

I agree on the jackasses and I do not defend Koresh, guy was a nut. I hope that they can wait then out. Shut off electricity etc. How far back did you play the courses? I've been playing really well lately and have decreased my handicap from +1 to +2. We've had really good weather, no wind.

 

[WVUBRU]

They do not have the right to interfere with any business, private or public. Protest but do not interfere. If they interfere, they should be arrested and made to post bond. Stopping commerce is, or should be, against the law. occupy Wall street was nothing more than some people wanting something for nothing. Typical socialism.

Are you in favor of ending pro-life protests outside of PP and other abortion clinics? I never see any wingnut bitching about those

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I agree on the jackasses and I do not defend Koresh, guy was a nut. I hope that they can wait then out. Shut off electricity etc. How far back did you play the courses? I've been playing really well lately and have decreased my handicap from +1 to +2. We've had really good weather, no wind.

I played from 6600-6700. And that is enough golf course for me. My son played from the tips which is 7200 and 7300. But he can carry it 290. I have no business back there. I had been playing well until this trip. My index is -1.7. But i sure didn't look like it last weekend.

 

[Airport]

Are you in favor of ending pro-life protests outside of PP and other abortion clinics? I never see any wingnut bitching about those

If they are interfering with everyday function, blocking access, not letting the people thru the doors, yes. You are allowed to protest, not prohibit. I never said stopping them but they should be limited to what they can do. Stopping commerce shouldn't be allowed. Black lives blocking commerce at a private mall shouldn't be allowed. I go by a PP place on my way to work. I see them outside the place but never blocking anything. If they block access, arrest them. Which the govt would do if it were someone doing that to PP. Double standard when it comes to socialist protests like Occupy or BLM which they don't or they would be protesting in south Chicago against all the black on black killings.

 

[Airport]

I played from 6600-6700. And that is enough golf course for me. My son played from the tips which is 7200 and 7300. But he can carry it 290. I have no business back there. I had been playing well until this trip. My index is -1.7. But i sure didn't look like it last weekend.

290? Long ways. I can only carry it about 250 to 260 at most.

 

[Airport]

Are you in favor of ending pro-life protests outside of PP and other abortion clinics? I never see any wingnut bitching about those

The protesters here aren't allowed on the PP property. They do it on the road outside the office. Basically, just holding signs and praying to end abortion.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

290? Long ways. I can only carry it about 250 to 260 at most.

When your driver clubhead speed is 115, you can carry it 290. He was on the Trackman just last week. Mine is 104 on a good day. He hits it 50 yards further than me pretty regularly. It sucks getting old.

 

[WVUBRU]

The protesters here aren't allowed on the PP property. They do it on the road outside the office. Basically, just holding signs and praying to end abortion.

Your experiences are not the reality of what happens. But your response was predictable and no outrage is present like you show based on your right wing agenda. But nonetheless, I do appreciate the honest answer which is rare from conservatives on this board.

 

[Mntneer]

There is huge difference between protesting and armed rebellion. I actually walked by the Wall St protests a few years ago while visiting NYC and these people were confined to a public park in lower Manhattan. So I'm not sure how you are equating the two.

Armed rebellion is a little strong. Sounds like some necks with gun in the middle of nowhere occupying a couple buildings and a shack in the middle of nowhere, threatening no one.

 

[countryroads89]

Armed rebellion is a little strong.

What do you call it when a bunch of armed men are occupying a U.S. Government owned building and saying "we plan to stay for years if necessary"?

 

[Airport]

When your driver clubhead speed is 115, you can carry it 290. He was on the Trackman just last week. Mine is 104 on a good day. He hits it 50 yards further than me pretty regularly. It sucks getting old.

We have a guy at our club who played football at Hampton sudney and grew into a 6'4" 275 tightend who was invited to the NFL combine. Good athlete and a really good effortless swing. The first time I saw him, the ball wouldn't come down. Titleist put him on the trackman and his ball speed was 191 with a carry of 320. I will bet him I can get it closer from 110 than he can from 50 and I usually win. it's still impressive to watch him hit it.

 

[Airport]

Your experiences are not the reality of what happens. But your response was predictable and no outrage is present like you show based on your right wing agenda. But nonetheless, I do appreciate the honest answer which is rare from conservatives on this board.

My reality is I go by it three to four times per week. There is never anything but what I said. I would not support anything that was not peaceful. Certainly non confrontational protest. I'm conservative but I think that abortion has already been litigated and should be left alone.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

What do you call it when a bunch of armed men are occupying a U.S. Government owned building and saying "we plan to stay for years if necessary"?

Treason.

 

[Mntneer]

What do you call it when a bunch of armed men are occupying a U.S. Government owned building and saying "we plan to stay for years if necessary"?

I call it stupidity.

But again... perspective matters. We're not talking about a group of armed men holding hostages in an actively used federal building in the middle of a city.

We can either have another Waco or Ruby ridge, or logic and reason can rule the day.

 

[rog1187]

I call it stupidity.

But again... perspective matters. We're not talking about a group of armed men holding hostages in an actively used federal building in the middle of a city.

We can either have another Waco or Ruby ridge, or logic and reason can rule the day.

Dammit they (doc, etc.) want some specifically-directed gun violence.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I call it stupidity.

But again... perspective matters. We're not talking about a group of armed men holding hostages in an actively used federal building in the middle of a city.

We can either have another Waco or Ruby ridge, or logic and reason can rule the day.

The Bundy nuts are the ones escalating these situations. The town doesn't want them there. The 2 going to prison don't want them there. They are an armed group of nutjobs occupying a federal building and disrupting daily business. Logic and reason should rule the day, and these people should be locked away for good.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

We have a guy at our club who played football at Hampton sudney and grew into a 6'4" 275 tightend who was invited to the NFL combine. Good athlete and a really good effortless swing. The first time I saw him, the ball wouldn't come down. Titleist put him on the trackman and his ball speed was 191 with a carry of 320. I will bet him I can get it closer from 110 than he can from 50 and I usually win. it's still impressive to watch him hit it.

Amazing how far they can hit it these days. My son, btw, is 6'2" 165 lbs. I saw him drive a 380 yd par 4 at Piaute in Vegas with no wind and a level hole. He plays some with Stallings and he's as long as Scott and he's usually in the top 25% on Tour.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Dammit they (doc, etc.) want some specifically-directed gun violence.

Wrong. I want the kooks out there to know that they can't create their own laws and ignore the Federal govt's authority. It's funny how the fed govt has become the bad guy that these nuts think that they need to arm themselves against. I went to the gym at lunch and got to get my daily dose of Fox news. Alan the token liberal was debating (for lack of a better word) some Stepford wingnut chick and sure enough, the talking points of Occupy Wall Street and Black lives matter came into the convo. I think every wingnut alive must be required to tune into Fox first thing every day to know how to think. What a bunch of loons.

 

[MountaineerWV]

wingnuts are going to jail for arson. I say tear gas the shit out of those kooks and if they come out with guns, shoot them. What happened to law and order among conservatives?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-monitoring-situation-oregon-national-wildlife-refuge/story?id=36075007

Fact is if this had been a Michael Moore led group, most people on this board would be going NUTS! But, since it is right-wing leaning group of gun-toting individuals, it's simply "democracy" and "protest".

 

[MountaineerWV]

I'm not and I'm not in favor of a group such as the group that took over wall street or black lives matter being able to shut down private property at a mall or demonstrate like they did in any city years ago.

Apples to Oranges right there. And to think, you call some of my comparison's as ridiculous.

Armed rebellion = protesting outside mall with no weapons

Got ya!

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Fact is if this had been a Michael Moore led group, most people on this board would be going NUTS! But, since it is right-wing leaning group of gun-toting individuals, it's simply "democracy" and "protest".

patriots is how the Fox news Stepford wife referred to them.

 

[MountaineerWV]

patriots is how the Fox news Stepford wife referred to them.

Precisely my point!

Michael Moore = evil antagonist

Armed militia takeover = patriotic rebellion

 

[Airport]

What do you call it when a bunch of armed men are occupying a U.S. Government owned building and saying "we plan to stay for years if necessary"?

St

Treason.

Not the definition of treason, but trespassing.

 

[Airport]

Apples to Oranges right there. And to think, you call some of my comparison's as ridiculous.

Armed rebellion = protesting outside mall with no weapons

Got ya!

They were blocking the entrance to the mall and inside Blocking free movement, stopping commerce. If they are outside and not blocking free movement, no problem. You know that that isn't what happens in these groups end up blocking roads, stopping traffic, destroying public and private property. Guess what, nobody ever goes to jail over it. I'm against the bundys out there but you have to be the same with other groups.

 

[Airport]

Apples to Oranges right there. And to think, you call some of my comparison's as ridiculous.

Armed rebellion = protesting outside mall with no weapons

Got ya!

Black lives matter is a lie. Let's be honest. It's not about black lives at all, if it were , why don't they protest in the inner city where blacks kill blacks at an alarming rate? Why don't they protest PP, where the majority of babies aborted are black?

 

[rog1187]

Wrong. I want the kooks out there to know that they can't create their own laws and ignore the Federal govt's authority. It's funny how the fed govt has become the bad guy that these nuts think that they need to arm themselves against. I went to the gym at lunch and got to get my daily dose of Fox news. Alan the token liberal was debating (for lack of a better word) some Stepford wingnut chick and sure enough, the talking points of Occupy Wall Street and Black lives matter came into the convo. I think every wingnut alive must be required to tune into Fox first thing every day to know how to think. What a bunch of loons.

But you said....

I say tear gas the shit out of those kooks and if they come out with guns, shoot them.

 

[Airport]

Wrong. I want the kooks out there to know that they can't create their own laws and ignore the Federal govt's authority. It's funny how the fed govt has become the bad guy that these nuts think that they need to arm themselves against. I went to the gym at lunch and got to get my daily dose of Fox news. Alan the token liberal was debating (for lack of a better word) some Stepford wingnut chick and sure enough, the talking points of Occupy Wall Street and Black lives matter came into the convo. I think every wingnut alive must be required to tune into Fox first thing every day to know how to think. What a bunch of loons.

Unlike most liberals, we conservatives have seen first hand what liberalism does to people. Occupy and BLM were a smoke screen for Marxism and socialism. You do not get more than you earn. Get off your butt and get to work earning a living and quit expecting uncle shug to take care of you, namely the federal govt and state govt. If BLM really did, why aren't they protesting in the inner city where it's open season for black on black crime ? Why isn't BLM protesting PP, where the majority of babies aborted are black? The hypocrisy on the left is all consuming.

 

[bamaEER]

St


Not the definition of treason, but trespassing.

Occupying and taking over a federal building with guns is Treason.