Then again I ask about Saudi. Saudi & UAE is predominantly Sunni? Do they side with Palestine here?
The religion/state lines get really blurry. Is this a religious war?
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The religion/state lines get really blurry. Is this a religious war?
You keep asking if it's a religious war like you can just say screw it if someone tells you that's exactly what it is. I will tell you again that radical Jihadist don't give a shit that you are not religious. If you don't want to convert they would cut your head off. They want to bring a war here. They have been sneaking across the border to do that very thing.
I don't want us in a large scale war in the Middle East. However I support Isarel destroying Hamas. If they don't they will get genocided. Biden has one job. Convince Iran and Hezbollah to stand down and not interfere. We will see if he can accomplish that. Unfortunately his Administration will probably only succeed in getting in Isarel's way as more time passes.
If it is a religious war does it says something different about who Hamas's allies are. Are Sunni Muslims their allies? If so that is Saudi Arabia. Is Saudi Arabia enemies of Israel? Are we willing to go to war if they get involved?
If this is not a religious war then SA maybe not be an enemy combatant.
What is your point? In the late 19th and early 20th century, pogroms in Russia and other Eastern European countries saw the slaughter of Jewish men, women, and children just like we saw in Israel this past week. Then pictures of dead Jews lining the roads are eerily similar. The Jews ran to Western Europe only to encounter the Nazis. You should look up the M.S. St. Louis in 1939. Almost 1,000 Jews in Germany got visas for Cuba, boarded the St. Louis, and sailed to Cuba. When they got there the Cubans revoked their visas and denied them entry. They sailed to Miami. They were refused entry. They wrote President FDR. He ignored their pleas. They wrote Prime Minister Norris of Canada. He denied them entry saying they "have to draw the line somewhere." The Jews sailed to Germany where 1/3 of them were killed.
They couldn't live in Eastern Europe, Western Europe, or North America. Where were they supposed to go? Do they have no right to live? They returned to their ancestral land. 5,000 years ago Canaanites lived in the land but control of the land changed between the Egyptians and the Hittites depending on who was stronger at any given moment. 3,000 years ago, a united Israel had control of the land. 2,700 years ago, Assyria and Judah shared control of the land. 2,500 years ago, the Babylon had control of the land. 2,400 years ago, the Persians had control of the land with Israel having local rule over the land. 2,200 years ago, the Greeks had control of the land. 2,100 years ago, the Romans had control of the land. 1,400 years ago Arab Muslims took control of the land and control passed time and again between factions of Muslims. 900 years again, Crusaders took control of the land. 800 years ago Egyptians took control of the land, then a little bit of it the Mongols controlled, then the Egyptians again. 500 years ago the Ottomans had control of the land. 100 years ago, Great Britain had control of the land. Finally, 75 years ago, Israel took control of the land from Britain. The West Bank and East Jerusalem were under the control of Jordan. Then in 1967, when Egypt, Syria, and Jordan massed troops on the borders of Israel, telling the world that they were going destroy the nation of Israel, Israel launch a preemptive strike. They took the Sinai from Egypt, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan. Then in 2005, Israel gave control of Gaza and the West Bank to Palestinians. In the entire history of the land, Palestinians did not have control of the land until Israel gave it to them. I think we saw in the last week Palestines' level of gratitude for finally being given the right to self rule.
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We can take their oil if they do and make them poor. You would like that wouldn't you?
Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel. Jordan doesn't have enough fresh water. Israel has just about perfect desalinization and they do it very cheaply. They are building pipelines to Jordan to supply them with fresh water. Egypt has been at peace with Israel since 1982. Saudis and other Arab states are moderate like Jordan is and Egypt was. Egypt is not fundamentalist yet, but the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood has a lot of influence in Egypt. Moderate states tend to be at peace with Israel. Most Israelis are atheists. Jews are third highest among people groups in percentage of atheists. They want nothing to do with any religious war. They just want peace. The fundamentalists want Israel's destruction. Iran is run by fundamentalists. They support the Assad regime--who is religiously moderate and politically dictatorial. Hezbollah has enormous political control in Syria. They are fundamentalist. Turkey is moderate, but there are a lot of fundamentalists there also. Erdogan is moderate to the moderates and fundamentalist to the fundamentalists. Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are Sunni but aligned with and funded by the Shiite Iranians and Shiite Hezbollah.
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The next big question then I would be asking is what does this looks like moving forward if the US petrodollar is in decline and can those ties hold. I'm afraid global economic hardship over the next decade causes a lot of aggression.
Saudis and the other Arab states are aligned with the US. Its in their interest to help the US.
Remember a pastor who could break all that down during a revaluation seminar. Been years.
Am I wrong for thinking that it is a religious war at the heart of it and no matter what we do it's going to escalate? Hamas and the extremist want the great war, correct?
Yes. It's "jihad"--holy war. They want to exile out of Muslim lands all the unfaithful--infidels. Muslim lands are basically any lands once controlled by Muslims.
Backup pre-WWI when there wasn’t a “Palestine”. Arbitrary map drawing by the Brit’s and voila, Palestine makes an asinine claim of ownership circa 46.
What’s also not discussed in those maps, is that the attrition of recognized ownership was a result of war spoils out of the 6 Days War which saw Israel move the “green line” to the “purple line” capturing the entirety of the Sinai. The Yom Kippur war happened in the 70s and more land was grabbed by Israel.
A whole bunch of nonsense with Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, etc. through the years. Reality is, Israel has been at war since 46, and it carried over to their Independence in 48. At a micro level, some of the stuff they’ve done hasn’t been cool. At a macro level, they’re surrounded on all sides and are just trying to survive as a nation. Yea, they’ve done some uncool shit, but generally? Its always a response
The other side is that the Palestinians are like the gypsys of the Arab world. None of the other Arab nations really give a damn about them or hold them in any regard.
Bottom line is ...it's not ever gonna stop until Jesus comes and claims the victory. Muslims extremists wants the holy war to start and will do all they can to start ww3 Christians and jews do not .
Yes I am worried about the national debt btw!
Does National Debt Even Matter?
Nobody seems to care about it. What is the negative affect that it has? Is there a tipping point that the country can no longer operate or function? Every country seems to operate like they don't even care.
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There's things me and him agree on but he couldn't be more wrong on this one. There's no winning hearts and minds there. Isarel knows what it needs to do. Let them do it.
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There's no winning hearts and minds here. This Antisemitism runs deep.
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Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas
JERUSALEM (AP) — A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month's Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites.
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