And magadons think they'll take up Trump's cases

[atlkvb]

2/3 of the country dislike accountability for their free choice. If I was a politician who didn't believe in abortion I would leave religion out of it. Yes I would debate when life begins .
I don't have a problem with the morning after pill . I think one of the 10,000 forms of birth control should be used .
If I was a politician running for office I'd simply state its up to the states not the feds and leave it at that .

Very well stated. Abortion is the ultimate cop out for most folks who refuse to take full responsibility for their decisions about engaging in casual sex. Yeah, yeah, I know all about rape, incest and Life of the Mother but when you weigh those rare instances where most folks are OK with abortions when necessary against the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies that are the direct result of irresponsible heterosexual encounters, that argument is "lame" to copy the vernacular of one of our more elite posters in this thread. 😏

 

[spartansstink]

The very same people who aren't abolitionist for abortion would have been the same people who weren't for abolition of slavery. They would have been in the Klan in the 1800's. They would have been in the German SS in the 40's. They would have been Birchers in the 60's. They would be in Hamas in modern day Israel.

They all agree that life isn't sacred - it's a choice and who gets to live and die is made by people who don't want to be "inconvenienced". Therefore, they change the terminology to devalue the life because it makes it easier to kill the innocent when you can generalize all of "them" as having no value.

Of course, they'll get on here and claim they wouldn't have been. They would have been on the right side of history but their words on here reveal the harsh truth. The same arguments made in the 1850's, 1880's, 1940's, 1960's, and yes even today - it's not your business, its not your problem, so leave it alone, its a losing argument - never go out of style.

It just goes to show how immoral people really are. Their morality is situational, dependent upon feelings and public sentiment. It's a sad state of affairs really that not much has changed in 150 years.

 

[atlkvb]

The very same people who aren't abolitionist for abortion would have been the same people who weren't for abolition of slavery. They would have been in the Klan in the 1800's. They would have been in the German SS in the 40's. They would have been Birchers in the 60's. They would be in Hamas in modern day Israel.

They all agree that life isn't sacred - it's a choice and who gets to live and die is made by people who don't want to be "inconvenienced". Therefore, they change the terminology to devalue the life because it makes it easier to kill the innocent when you can generalize all of "them" as having no value.

Of course, they'll get on here and claim they wouldn't have been. They would have been on the right side of history but their words on here reveal the harsh truth. The same arguments made in the 1850's, 1880's, 1940's, 1960's, and yes even today - it's not your business, its not your problem, so leave it alone, its a losing argument - never go out of style.

It just goes to show how immoral people really are. Their morality is situational, dependent upon feelings and public sentiment. It's a sad state of affairs really that not much has changed in 150 years.

Outstanding post.

 

[spartansstink]

2/3 of the country dislike accountability for their free choice. If I was a politician who didn't believe in abortion I would leave religion out of it. Yes I would debate when life begins .
I don't have a problem with the morning after pill . I think one of the 10,000 forms of birth control should be used .
If I was a politician running for office I'd simply state its up to the states not the feds and leave it at that .

It boils down to this this. No woman wants to admit they are a slut or a whore.

No parent wants to admit their daughter is a slut or a whore.

Now we've covered 99%, we can go back to discussing the 1% outliers to make ourselves feel better.

 

[atlkvb]

It boils down to this this. No woman wants to admit they are a slut or a whore.

No parent wants to admit their daughter is a slut or a whore.

Now we've covered 99%, we can go back to discussing the 1% outliers to make ourselves feel better.

Plenty of men out there too who refuse to be men, think they're really women who can give birth, or are so infused with moral relativism they don't think it's actually a child they've Fathered. We are one sick society.

 

[spartansstink]

True that...

 

[NYC_Eer]

The very same people who aren't abolitionist for abortion would have been the same people who weren't for abolition of slavery. They would have been in the Klan in the 1800's. They would have been in the German SS in the 40's. They would have been Birchers in the 60's. They would be in Hamas in modern day Israel.

They all agree that life isn't sacred - it's a choice and who gets to live and die is made by people who don't want to be "inconvenienced". Therefore, they change the terminology to devalue the life because it makes it easier to kill the innocent when you can generalize all of "them" as having no value.

Of course, they'll get on here and claim they wouldn't have been. They would have been on the right side of history but their words on here reveal the harsh truth. The same arguments made in the 1850's, 1880's, 1940's, 1960's, and yes even today - it's not your business, its not your problem, so leave it alone, its a losing argument - never go out of style.

It just goes to show how immoral people really are. Their morality is situational, dependent upon feelings and public sentiment. It's a sad state of affairs really that not much has changed in 150 years.

LOL

 

[spartansstink]

That's your guilty conscience talking to you...

 

[roadtrasheer]

It boils down to this this. No woman wants to admit they are a slut or a whore.

No parent wants to admit their daughter is a slut or a whore.

Now we've covered 99%, we can go back to discussing the 1% outliers to make ourselves feel better.

I'm a realist. I know I'm a slut and a whore and my xwife knew it .
I believe in freedoms and the awesome responsibility that comes with free choice and how expensive those free choices can be ...... accountability....... ( Democrats don't have ) we got pregnant and had kids .....those 2 free choices of not slipping a .50 cent rubber on ol boo boo cost me millions.......

 

[atlkvb]

not slipping a .50 cent rubber on ol boo boo

 

[roadtrasheer]

When my son hit about 16 I was having the accountability talk about sex with him and I could see he wasn't grasping the cost of unprotected sex . The fear of his pecker falling off wasn't moving the needle at all ....it didn't for me neither....so as a last Ditch effort to show the cost difference between a free rubber at school and child support I handed him that months child support check of 1800.00 .... his mouth dropped open and his eyes was opened up ...
He is 24 no kids and I think he puts rubbers on his fingers before sex ...lmao ....

 

[dave]

Not until the nutjobs changed the definitions several years ago just like the ADL changed the definition of racism to suit their needs last year.

After fertilization, it is called a zygote. Then it becomes an embryo, then fetus, then a baby.

That just isn't true at all. A baby has always been a life from conception. A zygote, fetus and baby are different stages of development but they are a life from the moment a sperm and egg unite. Science.

 

[dave]

When my son hit about 16 I was having the accountability talk about sex with him and I could see he wasn't grasping the cost of unprotected sex . The fear of his pecker falling off wasn't moving the needle at all ....it didn't for me neither....so as a last Ditch effort to show the cost difference between a free rubber at school and child support I handed him that months child support check of 1800.00 .... his mouth dropped open and his eyes was opened up ...
He is 24 no kids and I think he puts rubbers on his fingers before sex ...lmao ....

Lol

 

[dave]

It boils down to this this. No woman wants to admit they are a slut or a whore.

No parent wants to admit their daughter is a slut or a whore.

Now we've covered 99%, we can go back to discussing the 1% outliers to make ourselves feel better.

Exactly. 99% of abortions are birth control. The reason the 99% want to talk about rape and incest is so they can ignore the fact they or their kids are irresponsible shit sticks

 

[roadtrasheer]

Exactly. 99% of abortions are birth control. The reason the 99% want to talk about rape and incest is so they can ignore the fact they or their kids are irresponsible shit sticks

Democrats and accountability
Just don't mix ....
That's why they lean towards socialism. They hate being accountable for their own bad choices in life . They can't stand the idea we are free to choose our own way and what we make . They want and need someone to blame for all things ..... that's why they need big government so they don't have to be accountable..... why they blame guns ... reasoning and accountability.....

 

[atlkvb]

They can't stand the idea we are free to choose our own way and what we make

This!

 

[SoCo]

Guess what you arrogant, self absorbed, myopic, miscreant? YOU are also nothing but an "embryo" who's been granted Grace by your Creator... Almighty God to live! I Pray for his Mercy and Justice for the day to come when YOU will become ashes to ashes as we all were once dust-to-dust!

Mercifully you have a very limited time left on this Earth (as we all do) so I won't be waiting long for my Prayers to be fulfilled for your decrepit Soul.

lol. I’m an embryo.

get a grip man. You sound ridiculous.

 

[SoCo]

Yeah you did! You called it a "lame" issue and couldn't explain why?

Uh, no... that was your cute little trick because you couldn't explain what's lame about defending the lives of unborn babies? So YOU changed the name to "embryos" which of course in your own warped nomenclature makes them perfectly fine to slaughter in the womb.

Well I guess so? Can't explain what's "lame" about aborting babies? Call them "embryos". Problem solved.

BTW Caitlyn Jenner can call him/herself whatever. We're born either boys or girls and if you're lucky enough to be born without being aborted that's what you are until you die.

And there is the difference. You are calling embryos and zygotes babies. I am not making that mistake. i didn’t create those terms. They were in the science books I read as a child decades ago.

you have never called a newborn a man. Why? Because it isn’t,

and you still haven’t told me how some d-bag a thousand miles away ending her pregnancy affects you. cue your stupid running man gif…..

 

[SoCo]

The very same people who aren't abolitionist for abortion would have been the same people who weren't for abolition of slavery. They would have been in the Klan in the 1800's. They would have been in the German SS in the 40's. They would have been Birchers in the 60's. They would be in Hamas in modern day Israel.

They all agree that life isn't sacred - it's a choice and who gets to live and die is made by people who don't want to be "inconvenienced". Therefore, they change the terminology to devalue the life because it makes it easier to kill the innocent when you can generalize all of "them" as having no value.

Of course, they'll get on here and claim they wouldn't have been. They would have been on the right side of history but their words on here reveal the harsh truth. The same arguments made in the 1850's, 1880's, 1940's, 1960's, and yes even today - it's not your business, its not your problem, so leave it alone, its a losing argument - never go out of style.

It just goes to show how immoral people really are. Their morality is situational, dependent upon feelings and public sentiment. It's a sad state of affairs really that not much has changed in 150 years.

Odd the same people wanting ban abortion were the same ilk who murdered women and children on account of them being witches. your Religion was the cause of that immorality. and yes, it hasn’t changed in 150 years.

im not justifying abortion, I’m just trying t figure out why you people are so invested in an issue that doesn’t affect you.

 

[atlkvb]

lol. I’m an embryo.

get a grip man. You sound ridiculous.

Actually measured against the full panoply of all in the created Cosmos, you're not even a spec! Nothing is more ridiculous than thinking a fertilized female ovum growing into a baby is "lame". Did you read this?

The Miracle of Fetal Development: A Pro-Life Weapon

The greatest pro‑life tools are not photographs of aborted late‑term babies, but rather ultrasounds of pre-born babies illustrating fetal development.

www.hli.org

Of course not, that's why you made your ignorant comment in the first place!

 

[atlkvb]

and you still haven’t told me how some d-bag a thousand miles away ending her pregnancy affects you. cue your stupid running man gif…..

You need to go back through the thread. Just read a little slower this time.

 

[atlkvb]

Odd the same people wanting ban abortion were the same ilk who murdered women and children on account of them being witches. your Religion was the cause of that immorality. and yes, it hasn’t changed in 150 years.

I'll bet you're glad no one signed you up for an abortion, although I'm sure sometime during your gestation it may have been contemplated?

 

[atlkvb]

I'm not justifying abortion

You sure have me fooled. I asked you earlier in the thread what's "lame" about standing up for saving the lives of innocent babies? Next thing I read they're just embryo's! What does that mean? Does that make it OK to slaughter them in their wombs?

If you're not justifying that, what are you doing? Celebrating their innocent humanity in its tender infancy?

 

[atlkvb]

You are calling embryos and zygotes babies. I am not making that mistake. i didn’t create those terms. They were in the science books I read as a child decades ago.

If you truly understood how utterly complex and scientifically magnificent a single-celled fertilized Zygote that's virtually invisible to the naked human eye is, you wouldn't be demonstrating in this thread how much you obviously missed decades ago reading those childhood science books!

(excerpted from above linked article)
"fertilization takes place at two weeks of gestational age and implantation about one week later. At fertilization, genetic instructions from the mother and the father combine to form a zygote, barely visible to the human eye. This single cell contains more information than fifty sets of the physical 33-volume set of the Encyclopedia Britannica"

That's a Hell of a lot of information packed into a space 100,000,000,000 times smaller than a thimble!

Encyclopedia Britannica 15th addition 37 volume set

I'll bet my last commission check you couldn't even begin to design something as complex as a single celled Zygote, much less figure out a way to have it grow into a beautiful little baby in less than 36 weeks!

@SoCo...obviously getting a headache just thinking about it all...

 

[atlkvb]

you have never called a newborn a man. Why? Because it isn’t,

I've never called uneducated posters informed either? Why? Because you aren't!

 

[spartansstink]

Odd the same people wanting ban abortion were the same ilk who murdered women and children on account of them being witches. your Religion was the cause of that immorality. and yes, it hasn’t changed in 150 years.

im not justifying abortion, I’m just trying t figure out why you people are so invested in an issue that doesn’t affect you.

You are claiming the 1690's as your evidence? Ok...

Who is to say there weren't witches in 1692 Salem? Court trials were conducted and those deemed guilty were executed. Was each person executed innocent? Only some? Just a few?

The point being is that even if ONE innocent was executed, it was immoral. If 20, 200, or 2,000 were executed because of some sort of majority thinking, or more likely mass hysteria, it was immoral and wrong. It doesn't matter who did it then nor does it today.

Just looking at today's time period, how many innocent lives were lost to abortion? Millions! How many more will be lost? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

You ask why? Because injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. It affects everyone. The same people in the 1800's who, like you, said "Well, I don't own slaves so slavery doesn't affect me". The same people who said, "What do I care what some white southerners do, Jim Crow doesn't affect me here". The same people who, like you, said "Why do I care what happens to a bunch of Jews in Europe, it doesn't affect me here".

It doesn't affect you... until one day it does. There are those who, like you, will turn a blind eye to an injustice because, for one, you can justify it, and two, think it doesn't affect you so who cares? Fortunately, there have always been those who've seen the right and fight for the right - unfortunately, it sometimes even has to be against those who are ambivalent towards it.

 

[atlkvb]

You are claiming the 1690's as your evidence? Ok...

Who is to say there weren't witches in 1692 Salem? Court trials were conducted and those deemed guilty were executed. Was each person executed innocent? Only some? Just a few?

The point being is that even if ONE innocent was executed, it was immoral. If 20, 200, or 2,000 were executed because of some sort of majority thinking, or more likely mass hysteria, it was immoral and wrong. It doesn't matter who did it then nor does it today.

Just looking at today's time period, how many innocent lives were lost to abortion? Millions! How many more will be lost? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

You ask why? Because injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. It affects everyone. The same people in the 1800's who, like you, said "Well, I don't own slaves so slavery doesn't affect me". The same people who said, "What do I care what some white southerners do, Jim Crow doesn't affect me here". The same people who, like you, said "Why do I care what happens to a bunch of Jews in Europe, it doesn't affect me here".

It doesn't affect you... until one day it does. There are those who, like you, will turn a blind eye to an injustice because, for one, you can justify it, and two, think it doesn't affect you so who cares? Fortunately, there have always been those who've seen the right and fight for the right - unfortunately, it sometimes even has to be against those who are ambivalent towards it.

Once again very astutely stated! This poster who calls the issue of choice abortions "lame" obviously has no moral compass or even a salient reference point to make his claim. That comes from a morality marinated in situational moral relativism, where morality is defined by his chosen parameters, under the false presumption that what he does effects no one else, and no one else can affect what he does! The folly of this hubris of course is his veritable indifference while the sanctity of human Life itself is cheapened daily as he watches the manifestations of moral relativism steadily eating away at his own sensitivity of consciousness! He is so scarred by his indifference to the sanctity of Life, he is incredulous that anyone even expresses concern about the disregard for human Life through the wanton slaughter of innocent babies in the womb! 😲 That in my observation speaks volumes about the depth of depravity into his own rotting moral decay, while he arrogantly boasts he's "unaffected" by it all!

The irony is indeed ironic.

 

[spartansstink]

Ironic indeed.

 

[Gunny46]

Can definitely file this under evil.

Cosmopolitan magazine shares steps for how to have a 'Satanic Abortion Ceremony'

Cosmopolitan told readers how they could have a Satanic-themed abortion ritual using pills and self-affirmations, though costumes may also be included.

www.foxnews.com

MEDIA

Cosmopolitan magazine shares steps for how to have a 'Satanic Abortion Ceremony'​

 

[dave]

And there is the difference. You are calling embryos and zygotes babies. I am not making that mistake. i didn’t create those terms. They were in the science books I read as a child decades ago.

you have never called a newborn a man. Why? Because it isn’t,

and you still haven’t told me how some d-bag a thousand miles away ending her pregnancy affects you. cue your stupid running man gif…..

Embryos and zygotes are babies. It's not a mistake. Find the science book that doesn't call them a life.

 

[roadtrasheer]

Embryos and zygotes are babies. It's not a mistake. Find the science book that doesn't call them a life.

This is why Republicans or Christians should change the debate from choice to life .
Democrats know how to word the argument in order for them to use emotions over facts...... and it's winning.

 

[dave]

This is why Republicans or Christians should change the debate from choice to life .
Democrats know how to word the argument in order for them to use emotions over facts...... and it's winning.

The GOP needs to say it isn't a national issue and let states handle it while pointing to the plethora of issues they need to be focused on.

 

[roadtrasheer]

The GOP needs to say it isn't a national issue and let states handle it while pointing to the plethora of issues they need to be focused on.

Agree 100% .
Need to push the narrative of getting feds out of the states responsibilities.
On the state level that should be the debate ... when does life begin and what gives a women the right to take a life to make hers better or to make up for her mistakes?

 

[atlkvb]

Embryos and zygotes are babies. It's not a mistake. Find the science book that doesn't call them a life.

It has to be called something else besides a baby so there is no guilt or moral outrage over randomly killing it.

As far as late term abortions, they can't even change the name to justify that!

 

[dave]

 

[atlkvb]

Trump's support has steadily increased while Desantis' support has steadily declined. The two graphs if lined up side-by-side would form a giant V (which means victory for team Trump)

Unreal.

 

[WVU82]