The only Blue Blood programs in the Big 12 are Texas and Oklahoma and Texas is down. Oklahoma has only won the conference championship once since we have been members. All you do is make excuses. The Big east may have not been the toughest conference but the 2005 and 2007 teams beat an SEC champion and Blew out Oklahoma. There is no reason this team can't compete for big 12 championship. Expecting to win the championship every year is foolish but expecting to goe 7-5 is defeatist. The Big 12 is nothing special the conference hasn't won a national championship in over 10 years and hasn't played for one in 7 years. It only took a mountain west team 3 years to win a share of the title in this league. you will still be making the same excuses 20 years from now
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The only Blue Blood programs in the Big 12 are Texas and Oklahoma and Texas is down. Oklahoma has only won the conference championship once since we have been members. All you do is make excuses. The Big east may have not been the toughest conference but the 2005 and 2007 teams beat an SEC champion and Blew out Oklahoma. There is no reason this team can't compete for big 12 championship. Expecting to win the championship every year is foolish but expecting to goe 7-5 is defeatist. The Big 12 is nothing special the conference hasn't won a national championship in over 10 years and hasn't played for one in 7 years. It only took a mountain west team 3 years to win a share of the title in this league. you will still be making the same excuses 20 years from now
that MWC team has a storied tradition and history. They reside in Texas. A very large market, Dallas/Fort Worth. They were a top program their final 3-4 years in the MWC with a great coach who transitioned over and is still there. WVU resides in a small market with no instate recruiting. Texas produces 350 D1 players a year. WV produces 3-4 per year. WVU also changed coaches their final year of the big east and had to rebuild the program from the colossal mess Stewart left it in. And even still, WVU has matched their 30 year average of 7 wins with Dana. If you are expecting 11-12 wins per year, you will be perpetually disappointed. WVU will average 7-9 wins a year with occasional 10 win seasons. Btw in our history we've won 11 games a grand total of 5 times. You need to find a new team for your unrealistic demands.
Your just making excuses for mediocrity. Tcu has a storied tradition what a bunch of bunk. They only had 7 winning seasons from 1959-1998. It wasn't until Dennis Franchione came along that the program found any level of consistency. What does it matter what they did in the MWC? Since you claim that all our success was contributed to playing in the Big East. Winning in the MWC is less impressive they where lower on the food chain. Texas may produce allot of football players but TCU isn't getting the cream of the crop. There recruiting classes are similar to what wvu gets. They have only 1 top 25 class since being members of the Big 12 the same as WVU. So i guess a 7-5 wvu team beating a 6-6 pac 12 team means more than wins over Georgia and Oklahoma. I sure hope that Lyons doesn't have your defeatist attitude
PS I went to WVU unlike yourself
That TCU program you refer to is a perennial over achiever as a very small private school among giants. With fewer undergraduates than Marshall, but a very nicely refurbished 50k seat football stadium they are competing quite nicely. Going head to head with Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor and Oklahoma in recruiting is no small task. WVU now has better player facilities and a larger stadium with an extended recruiting area.
Expecting double digit wins every season is unrealistic, but hoping for them is part of being an avid fan. Every team starts the season undefeated. If the basketball team can spend the season in the top 20, so can the football team. WVU should strive for that every year and accept the results as long as the coaching reflects what you are paying for.
so a NC isn't a storied tradition? Heisman winners aren't storied? Doesn't matter their current head coach won BCS bowls in the MWC and transitioned into the big 12 to keep building on that success? If you understood the game, you would understand all my points and why tcu is where they are. And why WVU is where they are. Facts are facts. If WVU faced a murderers row of 5-6 Georgia's and Oklahoma's they would lose most of them. Point is, better players and quality depth is needed due to injuries. It's easier to play cupcakes all year and get up for your super bowl to play a blue blood versus playing one every week.
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Well I guess that Pitt has a storied Tradition along with Syracuse. Its only been ancient history since they won their national championships but they where long after TCU's Nat championship. TCU only won 1 BCS bowl and that was the rose against Wisconsin. Beating an SEC champ and by Your claim Oklahoma should be more impressive then beating Wisconsin. Maybe if knew what good playing calling and clock management was you wouldn't have to keep making excuses for mediocrity
. If WVU faced a murderers row of 5-6 Georgia's and Oklahoma's they would lose most of them. Point is, better players and quality depth is needed due to injuries. It's easier to play cupcakes all year and get up for your super bowl to play a blue blood versus playing one every week. Learn the game
Well outside of Oklahoma and Texas we don't play any bluebloods. Your an excuse making factory. If wvu fires Holgorson and hires someone you don't like and that coach only wins 7 games a year you will do nothing but complain
your constant downplay of the big 12 is hilarious and shows your lack of knowledge in this game.
Your over Inflation of the Big 12 obviously shows your lack of knowledge of the perception of the conference. It doesn't exactly help when your outright conference champion hasn't won a bowl game in the last 5 years. The conference hasn't had a winning bowl record in at least 4 years. No team has played for the national championship in the last 7 years and Texas's 2005 team was the last time a team won the national championship. The recent direction of the Big 12 is not one challenging the sec for superiority its more like challenging the Acc for bottom feeders. The big 12 reputation is not that high in football at the moment.
i think having 4 big 12 schools in the top 10 after playing 3/4 of the season speaks for itself in terms of conference power.
well i think when bowl season come around that notion goes out the window. The NCAA selection committee had more respect for Ohio state than they did Baylor and TCU but television always wants the bigger fish 1st
Again, i need to reiterate a point. The Big East was indeed on par with the Big XII until the final couple years. (Just my opinion) Cant really truly substantiate which conference had the better competition. Too subjective and would be based on opinions.
Also note that the Big XII has a very similar problem like The Big East had, The Big East had the Notre Dame leech attached to it and IMO Texas is the Big XII's "Notre Dame" in regards to stabilizing and strengthening the conference.
Original Big East:
WVU
Miami Fla.
Syracuse
Boston College
Virginia Tech
Pitt
Temple
Rutgers
(Notre Dame Leech)
**the majority of the Big East Football era only 11 games were played. Also note that only eight teams made up the football side of the conference.
Current Big XII:
WVU
oSu
OU
TTU
Texas (LHN issue)
KSU
KU
Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
Unfortunately any attempt at a valid comparison would be flawed. I find that people seem to forget that Boston College, Syracuse, VT, Pitt and Miami had very strong football programs in the early 90s.
I do agree that the current Big XII is not a piece of cake and is easily superior then the final few years of what was The Big East.
Also note that the Big XII has a very similar problem like The Big East had, The Big East had the Notre Dame leech attached to it and IMO Texas is the Big XII's "Notre Dame" in regards to stabilizing and strengthening the conference.
Original Big East:
WVU
Miami Fla.
Syracuse
Boston College
Virginia Tech
Pitt
Temple
Rutgers
(Notre Dame Leech)
**the majority of the Big East Football era only 11 games were played. Also note that only eight teams made up the football side of the conference.
Current Big XII:
WVU
oSu
OU
TTU
Texas (LHN issue)
KSU
KU
Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
Unfortunately any attempt at a valid comparison would be flawed. I find that people seem to forget that Boston College, Syracuse, VT, Pitt and Miami had very strong football programs in the early 90s.
I do agree that the current Big XII is not a piece of cake and is easily superior then the final few years of what was The Big East.
I think one thing that gets missed in college sports today is the amount of money flowing through the power 5 conference. The big dollars being spent on facilities in this more than ever results orientated business is putting allot of pressure on coaches to produce. Your not gonna see coaches keep their jobs by winning 7-8 games on an annual basis anywhere in the power five except for maybe Vanderbilt and a few select few. Some coaches will be fired unfairly but that's the nature of the business these days. I think the pressure will be greatest on the coaches in the ACC and Big 12 since the future is not as certain. Nobody knows what will happen when the current Gor is up. The teams in these 2 conferences will have to have their schools as competitive as possible in football in the event of future raids by the Sec Big 10 or Pac 12
several things missed here. First off, Notre dame was not a big east football member. It looks good attempting to add them on paper to your lineup, but they weren't in for football. Temple, Rutgers were the equivalent of Kansas going 1-10 or 0-11 on a regular basis. Pitt in the 90's averaged 3-4 wins while WVU was there starting in 1993. There just is no way it was the caliber of this big 12 conference.
DH is worth, what WVU pays him ...
and i hope he stays
i don't see WVU paying more than 3 mill per year for, what goes for a .500 program...
no matter what the "insecure fan base" seems to be scared of...53 % total and under .500 in b12 play...
hope he stays ...i enjoy his style of play and how he treats the players (fairly)...
let's not mention negatives
Dh and only DH understands turning down a 2 year extention for 2.9 mill per year..
and i hope he stays
i don't see WVU paying more than 3 mill per year for, what goes for a .500 program...
no matter what the "insecure fan base" seems to be scared of...53 % total and under .500 in b12 play...
hope he stays ...i enjoy his style of play and how he treats the players (fairly)...
let's not mention negatives
Dh and only DH understands turning down a 2 year extention for 2.9 mill per year..
While Notre Dame was not on the football schedule as a conference member in every other it received equal treatment with the football schools and in at least one case it was treated better. Notre Dame could snatch a BEFC bowl game if it wanted to and inexplicably, Notre Dame was the Big east member in charge of FOOTBALL expansion. Tell me that ain't nuts.
Many Mountaineer fans seem to overlook that little fact in regards to Notre Dame and Big East Football. I remember the Big East Clowns who were running the show even suggested Villanova as a possible football member or allow Temple to return to BE football. But WVU made it out of that cluster $&#% of a football conference.
The Big XII may have a few issues but the football and money is great.
