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It’s truly amazing that guy keeps getting elected doing nothing . He almost killed our AD and the University lmao

I agree ... but let's look at the median intelligence of not only the state citizen, but citizens nationwide. It's alarming.

Granted, I find it prudent to value wisdom over intelligence as I have broken bread with the perceived intellectual elite, most enslaved by their own hubris ... and who make some of the most mystifying decisions to boot.

But even though it's not an infallible barometer, intelligence has its place ... and yet we have arguably the least cerebral population in our history. It shows in what we accept as policy and ... with me occupying the role of critical thinker ... errr, excuse me ... "conspiracy theorist" ... the true string-pullers around the globe LOVE its sheeple young, dumb, and full of cum.

I used to think Leno's "Jaywalker" segment targeted freaks of nature. Come to find out a decade+ later, that's your average United States citizen.

Scary stuff.
 
Pfft like I said -- Fed Employee -- I pay 550 a month my portion for Blue Cross Blue Shield Standard Family with a 700 deductible.... These people have it easy....

That’s where is today. I will be pay more then you with a 1500 deductible per person and 4000 out of pocket max that are going up substantially as well. We do NOT have it easy.
 
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Yeah man working in healthcare is really getting crazy .
I hate it but what can we do. Just keep grinding. Another hoop to jump through.

Imagine a primary care physician in a poor urban area or rural area having to obtain the same control of diabetes vs patients in well off areas. It’s only going to hinder care and make access to care more difficult in the areas it is needed most.
 
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That’s where is today. I will be pay more then you with a 1500 deductible per person and 4000 out of pocket max that are going up substantially as well. We do NOT have it easy.
I'm assuming you're a teacher - do your benefits allow for a health savings account that can roll over from year to year? I really think this the future of healthcare - people putting money into these types of accounts, but they most be portable to take with you if you leave or retire.
 
That’s where is today. I will be pay more then you with a 1500 deductible per person and 4000 out of pocket max that are going up substantially as well. We do NOT have it easy.

Or you won't because the Governor was freezing PEIA rate increases even before the strike --

Fairfax County Schools has almost as many students as the entire State of West Virginia. West Virginia should consolidate into ONE single school system, eliminate Administrative and Support Staff overlaps -- consolidate schools across county lines (like the Elementary school in Gilmer County) and then savings will be there to pay teachers (albeit less of them because you will eliminate positions when you consolidate). You good with that plan -- I mean why is Randolph County still operating that school in Harman? Or Grant County operating the school up at Mt. Storm? Those make no sense.... Bus the kids elsewhere....
 
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I hate it but what can we do. Just keep grinding. Another hoop to jump through.

Imagine a primary care physician in a poor urban area or rural area having to obtain the same control of diabetes vs patients in well off areas. It’s only going to hinder care and make access to care more difficult in the areas it is needed most.
long term we are f*cked. like you said there is nothing we can do just keep grinding. i did not think it was going to suck this bad when i started
 
https://wvde.state.wv.us/jobs/index.html

I keep hearing about these 700 classrooms without teachers -- don't see it. Someone have the FACTS behind this Union "talking point"

One poster claimed 7000. So 1 in 3. Maybe he meant 700.

He also mentioned the importance of the teacher/student ratio which most would agree with.....but a quick search showed WV middle of the pack nationally. If that search was accurate then WV is getting a lot of bang for the buck....
 
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That’s where is today. I will be pay more then you with a 1500 deductible per person and 4000 out of pocket max that are going up substantially as well. We do NOT have it easy.

Vs private sector rates that is easy.

How did the whole insurance mess start?
 
I am sympathetic to the teachers pay (My wife is a teacher) as well as the joke they call PEIA. However, this issue of low pay did not happen over night and it is not going to be fixed over night. You cannot expect to bring the pay of a teacher to the level of higher paid teachers this year. It will take time. As for PEIA. It is fundamentally a broke system. Many of the issues are mandated by Obama Care and any monies that are dumped into PEIA is throwing good money after Bad. My last comment is that this is not going to end any time soon unless the state just bends over and gives the teachers everything they want whether we can afford it or not. Here is my reasoning. Every day the teachers say they are not giving up, the superintendents cancel school for the next day. This allows the teachers to continue to collect a paycheck. My understanding of a strike is that the strikers are not paid and the Company (schools in this case) cannot provide services. After this goes on for a while the pain starts to squeeze both sides and cooler heads prevail and there is an agreement. If the teachers continue to get paid there is no reason to stop picketing. Why would they? They get paid and they picket a few hours and get up the next day a do it all again. I have heard many teachers say they can do this forever. They are convinced that the state will waive the days they have been striking so they won't have to make them up. I hope the teachers get what they deserve but I also Hope this state does not try to solve a 75 year old problem all at one time.
So now the union wants the tax payers to foot the bill for paid leave? Bet they still take spring break too.
 
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“Batten down the hatches folks this slobber knocker isn’t going to end well”.
 
In!

Tricare Prime - $145 a quarter for a family of four.

Glad I served my country, Glad I got out of WV.

Out!
Tricare prime is a shit insurance. Pays 70% of what Medicare would pay. Not many private physicians take it for that reason. Also, act of god getting a prior authorization done.

Thank you for your service. Love the military.
 
Senator Carmichael and his cronies are keeping our schools closed over .0035% of the state budget. Governor Justice, the House of Delegates, all 55 county superintendents, and the state superintendent unanimously support the 5% pay raise proposed by Governor Justice. The pettiness of the defiant Republican Senators is despicable.
 
Senator Carmichael and his cronies are keeping our schools closed over .0035% of the state budget. Governor Justice, the House of Delegates, all 55 county superintendents, and the state superintendent unanimously support the 5% pay raise proposed by Governor Justice. The pettiness of the defiant Republican Senators is despicable.

At least this will be the end of Carmichael
 
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Senator Carmichael and his cronies are keeping our schools closed over .0035% of the state budget. Governor Justice, the House of Delegates, all 55 county superintendents, and the state superintendent unanimously support the 5% pay raise proposed by Governor Justice. The pettiness of the defiant Republican Senators is despicable.

And yet, they aren't on strike. They didn't walk off the job. They didn't cause the strike. Teachers walked off the job. Teachers should be teaching. If you don't agree with the legislature then vote them out. It's like a broken record.
 
Senator Carmichael and his cronies are keeping our schools closed over .0035% of the state budget. Governor Justice, the House of Delegates, all 55 county superintendents, and the state superintendent unanimously support the 5% pay raise proposed by Governor Justice. The pettiness of the defiant Republican Senators is despicable.
I wouldn’t pass a damn thing until I got a commitment from the Teachers Union on what ROI we as taxpayers will receive for the money.

I’m guessing since we’re 14 pages in and not one teacher or supporter of their action has responded regarding performance metrics that they believe they don’t have to or should provide tangible metrics of improvement for the money. I’m guessing the going belief is it’s “owed” to them. When we’re ranked 47th in education nationally, that’s a hard pill to swallow as a tax payer.
 
Tricare prime is a shit insurance. Pays 70% of what Medicare would pay. Not many private physicians take it for that reason. Also, act of god getting a prior authorization done.

Thank you for your service. Love the military.
A lot of people say that, I've never had an issue with it. Two births, pre-existing conditions for my wife, one major surgery for me, a few different procedures for our kids (tubes, etc...) and its been great. The key, I believe, is living in bigger population centers as there are more options. Obviously if I lived it the middle of WV it would not work for us.
 
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I keep reading individual teacher performance metrics don’t work. Ok, fine. I’ll concede that for the sake of argument. Now someone explain to me why you couldn’t tie the performance metric to an entire school, or school district. For instance, improve as a school/district by X% on STEM scores and X% on graduation rates and the entire staff of the school/district gets a equitable % merit increase.

This across the board 5% plan is bad business. You’re just giving money away with no expectation or requirement for improvement. It’s money for hope. This mentality is bizarro world to me and no one has been able to or really attempted to argue a counterpoint.
 
I wouldn’t pass a damn thing until I got a commitment from the Teachers Union on what ROI we as taxpayers will receive for the money.

I’m guessing since we’re 14 pages in and not one teacher or supporter of their action has responded regarding performance metrics that they believe they don’t have to or should provide tangible metrics of improvement for the money. I’m guessing the going belief is it’s “owed” to them. When we’re ranked 47th in education nationally, that’s a hard pill to swallow as a tax payer.
Oh boy I asked that question on FB and you could feel the seething gnashing of teeth. I got everything from there isn't a good way to evaluate performance to it's not their job to measure it to blaming parents to saying the rankings are BS to they'll (teachers) be staying WV...etc...etc.
 
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A lot of people say that, I've never had an issue with it. Two births, pre-existing conditions for my wife, one major surgery for me, a few different procedures for our kids (tubes, etc...) and its been great. The key, I believe, is living in bigger population centers as there are more options. Obviously if I lived it the middle of WV it would not work for us.
Is your primary care doc part of a large group with a lot of employees? To make Tricare Prime work essentially requires a full time referral specialist who you can dedicate the time to fight with them over the phone. My ROI to get credentialed would not work because of the small nature of my practice. I don't have a FT position for just referrals. Another headache barrier when it comes to health care.
 
I keep reading individual teacher performance metrics don’t work. Ok, fine. I’ll concede that for the sake of argument. Now someone explain to me why you couldn’t tie the performance metric to an entire school, or school district. For instance, improve as a school/district by X% on STEM scores and X% on graduation rates and the entire staff of the school/district gets a equitable % merit increase.

This across the board 5% plan is bad business. You’re just giving money away with no expectation or requirement for improvement. It’s money for hope. This mentality is bizarro world to me and no one has been able to or really attempted to argue a counterpoint.
But the argument is there is no way to measure that Teacher A is better than Teacher B...there has to be a way
 
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Oh boy I asked that question on FB and you could feel the seething gnashing of teeth. I got everything from there isn't a good way to evaluate performance to it's not their job to measure it to blaming parents to saying the rankings are BS to they'll (teachers) be staying WV...etc...etc.
47th nationally, not to be a dick, but, does it really matter if you stay? What are we really losing? I keep reading “all of the good teachers are movin out of state”. Ok, does that mean those remaining behind are the shitbags? Obviously, I don’t believe that, but I want to be pulled into your corner, educators. Help me get there. Give me something other than the woe is me bullshit about healthcare and salaries when you made the decision on this profession knowing full well you aren’t gonna make much money. Healthcare is fvcked across the board, it’s not a unique situation you’re in. Healthcare costs went up 8-10% in my organization, the raises didn’t match it, that’s for damn sure. You all are not unique in this.
 
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But the argument is there is no way to measure that Teacher A is better than Teacher B...there has to be a way
That’s why I said, take it up to higher level an aggregate it. I’m fine with it not being individualized if we can get to some acceptable means to metric it. Run it at the school or school district level. That way the good teachers are still covering for the bad ones, just not a state level scale. But at least you have performance metrics. That I think is fair.
 
That’s why I said, take it up to higher level an aggregate it. I’m fine with it not being individualized if we can get to some acceptable means to metric it. Run it at the school or school district level. That way the good teachers are still covering for the bad ones, just not a state level scale. But at least you have performance metrics. That I think is fair.
When we have local (county) politicians telling us that businesses are not willing to commit to coming in because we have a low-educated work force...that is real...they are looking at some sort of number(s) to make that determination.
 
You do realize we do not get paid for the summer. So for 2 months I’m unemployed.
Are you saying it is illegal for you to obtain employment during your summers? If not, it is your choice to be unemployed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just pointing out faulty math/logic from someone who incorrectly made the same post almost two dozen times.
 
I stated that even if a person doesn’t receive holidays off from work, the most they are going to work is 261 days. That’s only 61 days more than a teacher, which isn’t 3 months more.

61 days / 5 work days per week = 12.2 weeks.
12.2 weeks / 4 weeks per month = 3.05 months

Sounds pretty close to three months to me....
 
Are you saying it is illegal for you to obtain employment during your summers? If not, it is your choice to be unemployed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just pointing out faulty math/logic from someone who incorrectly made the same post almost two dozen times.
And that’s back to the point of making $47k for only 10 months of work (not to go down that stupid rabbit hole of whether it’s 3 months or not, I’ll just concede it’s 2). Extrapolated that would be $57,600 for a full 12 months of employment. That’s pretty damn decent for WV IMO when you factor in the extremely low cost of living in WV. If you’re choosing to take the full 2 months off in the summer, bub, again, that’s on you.

**assuming it was three months off for the summer, your salary would equate to $62.6 for a full 12 months of employment.
 
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And it gets worse...now I have dumbasses in my neighborhood campaigning not to have to make up the missed days!!! Holly **** in a basket this is the ****ing mindset that keeps WV down. Those ****ing dipshits shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
 
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They said on the radio the average is $47,000 per year for 9 months work.

That ain’t the average that is the higher end one of my best friends has been a teacher almost 30 years in WV and that’s about what he makes and is a great teacher. He also has coached football and cross country for extra cash and works those 3 months off which is about 8 weeks if coaching football. Cry me a river for your office!
 
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