Where do you stand?

[CAJUNEER]

Where would you place yourself on this scale? I’ve been arguing that conservatives, who fall between libertarians and liberals, and liberals have a lot more in common with one another than liberals do with BLM and Antifa. I think most of the OT Board lefties fit squarely in the liberal area of this scale. DNC obviously feels they need those in the postmodern camp to when, else they wouldn’t be floating the idea of adding a far leftist to the Biden ticket.

Here are my questions to the board liberals: Do you think the DNC is courting these extreme leftists because that’s where the party is or because they need to votes? Do you think a Biden administration would more govern as liberal or postmodern?

I hope it’s obvious by now that AOC, BLM, Antifa, and the like are out to recast America as a Marxist state. The DNC is the host the Marxists want to use to transition America. The DNC is an organism the Marxist virus is infecting. The Marxists are looking to gain control of the host. The goal is to dispense with liberalism and to convert the DNC into the DSA. I question with the liberals can stop them.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Where would you place yourself on this scale? I’ve been arguing that conservatives, who fall between libertarians and liberals, and liberals have a lot more in common with one another than liberals do with BLM and Antifa. I think most of the OT Board lefties fit squarely in the liberal area of this scale. DNC obviously feels they need those in the postmodern camp to when, else they wouldn’t be floating the idea of adding a far leftist to the Biden ticket.

Here are my questions to the board liberals: Do you think the DNC is courting these extreme leftists because that’s where the party is or because they need to votes? Do you think a Biden administration would more govern as liberal or postmodern?

I hope it’s obvious by now that AOC, BLM, Antifa, and the like are out to recast America as a Marxist state. The DNC is the host the Marxists want to use to transition America. The DNC is an organism the Marxist virus is infecting. The Marxists are looking to gain control of the host. The goal is to dispense with liberalism and to convert the DNC into the DSA. I question with the liberals can stop them.

I am a Democrat. I have also voted Republican. I would put myself between libertarian and liberal.

As for my party, they have sold their soul to the devil. They have been for decades trying to attract a younger following. But those youngsters never vote, so it didn't work. But now, these youngsters aren't "liberals", they are RADICALS and EXTREMISTS with their thoughts and beliefs. They feel pushing their beliefs on to everyone is the right way and use the "liberalism" claim as a mask to hide their true extremist views.

My Democrats are not Marxists or socialists. I think both parties have a little "socialism" in them, but the new younger group of Democrats are flat out nuts with it. Lumping a person like me in to that group is just the same as lumping all Republicans in with the racist idiots that show up with Trump hats on.

EDIT: A college professor said something to class once that I will never forget...."Fair is not always equal, and equal is not always fair". Has always stuck with me.

 

[Gunny46]

Where would you place yourself on this scale? I’ve been arguing that conservatives, who fall between libertarians and liberals, and liberals have a lot more in common with one another than liberals do with BLM and Antifa. I think most of the OT Board lefties fit squarely in the liberal area of this scale. DNC obviously feels they need those in the postmodern camp to when, else they wouldn’t be floating the idea of adding a far leftist to the Biden ticket.

Here are my questions to the board liberals: Do you think the DNC is courting these extreme leftists because that’s where the party is or because they need to votes? Do you think a Biden administration would more govern as liberal or postmodern?

I hope it’s obvious by now that AOC, BLM, Antifa, and the like are out to recast America as a Marxist state. The DNC is the host the Marxists want to use to transition America. The DNC is an organism the Marxist virus is infecting. The Marxists are looking to gain control of the host. The goal is to dispense with liberalism and to convert the DNC into the DSA. I question with the liberals can stop them.

People need to stop using the term liberals as a negative. This is not conservatism vs liberalism fight anymore. If people haven't studied up on Neo-marxist theory vs old school marxism then you don't truly understand what has infilitraded all parties including Libertarians and Republicans.

Its easy for anyone who truly understands what Neo Marxism is to identify who on the board is liberal and who is a marxist at this point.

Liberals, Moderates, and Conservatives are going to need to swallow their pride and vote for Trump and Pence.
The marxist are going to vote for the Biden and Sanders task force's ideology.

 

[Gunny46]

I am a Democrat. I have also voted Republican. I would put myself between libertarian and liberal.

As for my party, they have sold their soul to the devil. They have been for decades trying to attract a younger following. But those youngsters never vote, so it didn't work. But now, these youngsters aren't "liberals", they are RADICALS and EXTREMISTS with their thoughts and beliefs. They feel pushing their beliefs on to everyone is the right way and use the "liberalism" claim as a mask to hide their true extremist views.

My Democrats are not Marxists or socialists. I think both parties have a little "socialism" in them, but the new younger group of Democrats are flat out nuts with it. Lumping a person like me in to that group is just the same as lumping all Republicans in with the racist idiots that show up with Trump hats on.

EDIT: A college professor said something to class once that I will never forget...."Fair is not always equal, and equal is not always fair". Has always stuck with me.

Good post. Except Trump isn't a racist. The majority of people that wear Maga hats are not racist. Lots of Blacks, Hispanics, Latinos, and Asian Americans wear one.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Good post. Except Trump is a racist. The majority of people that wear Maga hats are not racist. Lots of Blacks, Hispanics, Latinos, and Asian Americans that wear one.

You missed my point. I didn't say that they/he was racist. I was saying that those that WERE racist wearing the "MAGA" hats and people rushing to label ALL Trump supporters and Trump himself as racist........

 

[Gunny46]

You missed my point. I didn't say that they/he was racist. I was saying that those that WERE racist wearing the "MAGA" hats and people rushing to label ALL Trump supporters and Trump himself as racist........

Gtg. I would bet that less than 1% of Trump supporters may be racist. Compared to 70 % of Biden supporters are very racist. .

 

[dedhoops24]

Where would you place yourself on this scale? I’ve been arguing that conservatives, who fall between libertarians and liberals, and liberals have a lot more in common with one another than liberals do with BLM and Antifa. I think most of the OT Board lefties fit squarely in the liberal area of this scale. DNC obviously feels they need those in the postmodern camp to when, else they wouldn’t be floating the idea of adding a far leftist to the Biden ticket.

Here are my questions to the board liberals: Do you think the DNC is courting these extreme leftists because that’s where the party is or because they need to votes? Do you think a Biden administration would more govern as liberal or postmodern?

I hope it’s obvious by now that AOC, BLM, Antifa, and the like are out to recast America as a Marxist state. The DNC is the host the Marxists want to use to transition America. The DNC is an organism the Marxist virus is infecting. The Marxists are looking to gain control of the host. The goal is to dispense with liberalism and to convert the DNC into the DSA. I question with the liberals can stop them.

Good thread. Up until 2017, I considered myself a moderate Republican and voted consistently this way until 2017. Since then, I repositioned to an Independent with moderate position now leaning more left. I would plant myself squarely in the middle between Libertarian and Liberal.

At this point, I believe that GOP that I was a member of has abandoned me and I won’t return until the MAGA mindset is burned and the party is reset....

 

[nvEERs]

IMHO

We need to stop rushing to prove we (as a person) are not racist and trying to prove who is racist. I am 58 years old lived all over this world and have yet to meet a person who ISN'T racist. That goes for every race, nationality, skin color and religion. One thing is for sure, out of all the countries America as a whole is the least racist country I have lived in. Another thing I have come to believe is the people always trying to prove they aren't racists or are constantly blaming others for racism are the most racists people deep down. Just take a look at the left on this board, they will condemn this country for practice that ended 160 years ago but could care less about HUMAN BEINGS being hung like fish on a stringer and sold on the open market today

Whether you are racist shouldn't be the question, what matters is how you deal with other people in private and public settings.

Gtg. I would bet that less than 1% of Trump supporters may be racist. Compared to 70 % of Biden supporters are very racist. .

 

[dedhoops24]

Gtg. I would bet that less than 1% of Trump supporters may be racist. Compared to 70 % of Biden supporters are very racist. .

This is the most ignorant, stupid and false post I have ever read on this board.....DJT is that you??

 

[nvEERs]

Serious question how is the MAGA mind set conflicting with any stance the republicans had before 2016. The only difference I see is republicans ran on the same platforms before Trump but never got it done, and Trump is actually trying to do what he said he would do.

Good thread. Up until 2017, I considered myself a moderate Republican and voted consistently this way until 2017. Since then, I repositioned to an Independent with moderate position now leaning more left. I would plant myself squarely in the middle between Libertarian and Liberal.

At this point, I believe that GOP that I was a member of has abandoned me and I won’t return until the MAGA mindset is burned and the party is reset....

 

[wvu2007]

This is the most ignorant, stupid and false post I have ever read on this board.....DJT is that you??

Coming from the pedo dedhoops

 

[Gunny46]

This is the most ignorant, stupid and false post I have ever read on this board.....DJT is that you??

Look everyone Kazzman and Cunty 89 had a baby.

 

[Gunny46]

IMHO

We need to stop rushing to prove we (as a person) are not racist and trying to prove who is racist. I am 58 years old lived all over this world and have yet to meet a person who ISN'T racist. That goes for every race, nationality, skin color and religion. One thing is for sure, out of all the countries America as a whole is the least racist country I have lived in. Another thing I have come to believe is the people always trying to prove they aren't racists or are constantly blaming others for racism are the most racists people deep down. Just take a look at the left on this board, they will condemn this country for practice that ended 160 years ago but could care less about HUMAN BEINGS being hung like fish on a stringer and sold on the open market today

Whether you are racist shouldn't be the question, what matters is how you deal with other people in private and public settings.

Good post. The board communist are not completely racist. They are just racist toward those that don't vote Democrat.

 

[atlkvb]

You missed my point. I didn't say that they/he was racist. I was saying that those that WERE racist wearing the "MAGA" hats and people rushing to label ALL Trump supporters and Trump himself as racist........

You don't know that. That's the same false accusation the Left used for policy opposition against Obama....we were all racists.

 

[dedhoops24]

Serious question how is the MAGA mind set conflicting with any stance the republicans had before 2016. The only difference I see is republicans ran on the same platforms before Trump but never got it done, and Trump is actually trying to do what he said he would do.

The movement is much too far right for my support. The conspiracy theories, the outright assault on free press, the way he manages our allies, his perpensity for lying and mistaking facts, the fact that the Chairman and the Joint Chiefs had to come out publicly to reassure the American people of their oath to the constitution, the vast amount of quality people who have abandoned him and I can go on and on. For me, it’s a personal thing, I just cannot support a man like this as a leader and the party itself has sold their dignity to support these actions. For me the party has lost its way.....and I am someone who donated regularly and voted consistently.....and there are a lot of people who feel the same as me....I am American before I am party....

 

[atlkvb]

This is the most ignorant, stupid and false post I have ever read on this board.....DJT is that you??

I don't think there is any difference between Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists.

None of you on the Left can point out where you disagree with Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists over actual policy?

Can you?

Nope....not without either lying or pretending you don't support something you actually do!

Pick your issue..

• Taxes
• Abortion
• Climate change
• US energy independence
• Private property rights
• Freedom of speech & assembly
• Anti-Christian/Religious freedom
• 2nd ammendment rights
• US Foreign policy
• Israel

I challenge you to tell the board where your most strenuous opposition to Communists/Socialist/Leftist/Racist policy on those issues lies? (Without lying)

You can't.
(not Truthfully)

 

[Gunny46]

The movement is much too far right for my support. The conspiracy theories, the outright assault on free press, the way he manages our allies, his perpensity for lying and mistaking facts, the fact that the Chairman and the Joint Chiefs had to come out publicly to reassure the American people of their oath to the constitution, the vast amount of quality people who have abandoned him and I can go on and on. For me, it’s a personal thing, I just cannot support a man like this as a leader and the party itself has sold their dignity to support these actions. For me the party has lost its way.....and I am someone who donated regularly and voted consistently.....and there are a lot of people who feel the same as me....I am American before I am party....

All bullshit spin. You're a Neo-marxist turd with multiple accounts constantly spouting Neo-marxist propaganda. At this point most of the board knows the majority of your accounts and the game you're playing. Get you're friggin emotions in check.

 

[Gunny46]

I don't think there is any difference between Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists.

None of you on the Left can point out where you disagree with Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists over actual policy?

Can you?

Nope....not without either lying or pretending you don't support something you actually do!

Pick your issue..

• Taxes
• Abortion
• Climate change
• US energy independence
• Private property rights
• Freedom of speech & assembly
• Anti-Christian/Religious freedom
• 2nd ammendment rights
• US Foreign policy
• Israel

I challenge you to tell the board where your most strenuous opposition to Communists/Socialist/Leftist/Racist policy on those issues lies? (Without lying)

You can't.

He doesn't want any of you debating any of those topics. Emotional arguments is all he's got. He's scared of you. !!!!

 

[dedhoops24]

All bullshit spin. You're a Neo-marxist turd with multiple accounts constantly spouting Neo-marxist propaganda. At this point most of the board knows the majority of your accounts and the game you're playing. Get you're friggin emotions in check.

Hey dipshit....I’ve been a member of this board since 2008....look at my profile. I just rarely come to this cesspool of a OT Board....

 

[atlkvb]

He doesn't want any of you debating any of those topics. Emotional arguments is all he's got. He's scared of you. !!!!

I know he's FOS....that's why I challenged him to tell me what specific policy objectives of Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists he objects to?

All he will do if he answers the question at all is lie, obfuscate, deflect, dodge, call names, anything but honestly point out what he most disagrees with the radical Left over?

Is America a good nation Blessed by Almighty God as the guarantor of Freedom to the Free world? He can't answer yes to that, and neither will any Communist/Socialist/Leftist/Racist.

Point made, point demonstrated.

 

[dedhoops24]

I don't think there is any difference between Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists.

None of you on the Left can point out where you disagree with Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists over actual policy?

Can you?

Nope....not without either lying or pretending you don't support something you actually do!

Pick your issue..

• Taxes
• Abortion
• Climate change
• US energy independence
• Private property rights
• Freedom of speech & assembly
• Anti-Christian/Religious freedom
• 2nd ammendment rights
• US Foreign policy
• Israel

I challenge you to tell the board where your most strenuous opposition to Communists/Socialist/Leftist/Racist policy on those issues lies? (Without lying)

You can't.
(not Truthfully)

I thought you weren’t dealing with me any longer after last week.....then I watched you and the other clowns talk about me in a thread for hours....how pathetic is that....you and your buddies standing around in a circle, fingers in each others assholes, giving prostate massages as you convinced yourselves that your beliefs are correct and you are good people.....****ing pathetic...

And by the way, I don’t need to debate with you on those issues that you are constantly blathering about.....I gave you my reasons in the previous post....

 

[atlkvb]

I thought you weren’t dealing with me any longer after last week.....then I watched you and the other clowns talk about me in a thread for hours....how pathetic is that....you and your buddies standing around in a circle, fingers in each others assholes, giving prostate massages as you convinced yourselves that your beliefs are correct and you are good people.....****ing pathetic...

And by the way, I don’t need to debate with you on those issues that you are constantly blathering about.....I gave you my reasons in the previous post....

I can't figure out why you're even here? Go back to doing what occupied your time before you started posting on this board your bottomless array of intellectual vapidity.

 

[atlkvb]

I thought you weren’t dealing with me any longer after last week.....then I watched you and the other clowns talk about me in a thread for hours....how pathetic is that....you and your buddies standing around in a circle, fingers in each others assholes, giving prostate massages as you convinced yourselves that your beliefs are correct and you are good people.....****ing pathetic...

And by the way, I don’t need to debate with you on those issues that you are constantly blathering about.....I gave you my reasons in the previous post....

So if you "rarely come around here" (your claim) or don't spend that much time on this board how do you know so intimately what the rest of us are saying "for hours" to each other about you?

You lie even while pretending to yourself that you're telling the truth.

 

[Gunny46]

Hey dipshit....I’ve been a member of this board since 2008....look at my profile. I just rarely come to this cesspool of a OT Board....

LMFAO You don't sound butthurt at all. You have more than one account. You're a Neo-marxist. Fact!!!

 

[atlkvb]

I just rarely come to this cesspool of a OT Board....

No one invited you back. No one insists you stay. You will not be missed when you leave.

 

[dedhoops24]

I don't think there is any difference between Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists.

None of you on the Left can point out where you disagree with Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists over actual policy?

Can you?

Nope....not without either lying or pretending you don't support something you actually do!

Pick your issue..

• Taxes
• Abortion
• Climate change
• US energy independence
• Private property rights
• Freedom of speech & assembly
• Anti-Christian/Religious freedom
• 2nd ammendment rights
• US Foreign policy
• Israel

I challenge you to tell the board where your most strenuous opposition to Communists/Socialist/Leftist/Racist policy on those issues lies? (Without lying)

You can't.
(not Truthfully)

But I will play....

Taxes - I don’t get benefits from the government, I’m in the top 3% and I pay what is owed. I would rather pay a fair share and see more investment into helping more American communities to become more independent and self supportive.

Abortion - I am pro-life. My ex wife had theee miscarriages and going through that affected my life greatly. There are too many good people in this country who are childless who would adopt in a heartbeat.

Climate Change - I believe this is real and we can either take it serious now and invest in the future or we will ultimately be left behind. The Green New Deal is not realistic, but we have to start taking this serious and lead the world as America has always done.

Private Property Rights - 100% support.

Freedom of Speech and Assembly - 100% support.

Religious Freedom - I am not a religious man, but I believe that every human being has the right to believe or practice their religion without consequence or fear.

2nd Amendment Rights - I don’t own guns, but I am pro-gun ownership although I don’t believe that an ordinary citizen needs to own AR-15’s.....but that is a personal belief.

US Foreign Policy - I believe is a disaster under Trump, inconsistent and without a plan or strategy. We are no longer a leader in this world because of Trump. He is also an owned puppet for the Russians, Turks, Saudis and Chinese....

Israel - I support the decision to move the embassy....good for him.

The GOP I knew would always be defending the rights to free speech and press.

The GOP I knew would be livid with a President who gassed protestors for a photo op.

The GOP I knew would lose their ****ing minds if a President raised the idea of postponing the election. Co-founder of the Federalist Society agrees.

The GOP I knew would be in the streets knowing there are armed, masked secret police in the streets gassing and arresting innocent people...

The GOP I knew would lose their minds about Russians paying bounties....

The GOP I knew would be disgusted that the Chairmand and Joint Chiefs had to publicly rebuff a President and solidly their oath to the constitution....

 

[atlkvb]

LMFAO You don't sound butthurt at all. You have more than one account. You're a Neo-marxist. Fact!!!

Liar works just as well for me.

 

[dedhoops24]

Liar works just as well for me.

Says the used car salesman......did you even go to WVU? Talk about a wasted education if so......

 

[Gunny46]

Says the used car salesman......did you even go to WVU? Talk about a wasted education if so......

That's some weak ass Ad Hominem bullshit right there. You sound like a douche bag that attended a Liberal Arts College.

 

[dedhoops24]

That's some weak ass Ad Hominem bullshit right there. You sound like a douche bag that attended a Liberal Arts College.

actually a kid who grew up in a steel mill town and put myself through college with an athletic scholarship.....moved to Atlanta not knowing anyone and built my life with no one’s help.....what else you got?

 

[Gunny46]

actually a kid who grew up in a steel mill town and put myself through college with an athletic scholarship.....moved to Atlanta not knowing anyone and built my life with no one’s help.....what else you got?

Go make me a sandwich bitch. You're a overpaid dipshit who shouldn't be degrading how others make a living.

 

[dedhoops24]

Go make me a sandwich bitch. You're a overpaid dipshit who shouldn't be degrading how others make a living.

I grew up harder than you ****....fake ass
military.....it’s always the guys who put their military service out there for attention, my buddies who served in war zones say those guys usually drove gas trucks or cooked in the mess hall.....which were you??

 

[wvu2007]

Says the used car salesman......did you even go to WVU? Talk about a wasted education if so......

What's wrong with being a car salesmen? You might be selling cars soon

 

[Gunny46]

I grew up harder than you ****....fake ass
military.....it’s always the guys who put their military service out there for attention, my buddies who served in war zones say those guys usually drove gas trucks or cooked in the mess hall.....which were you??

Have your buddies come have a conversation with me. I've done a lot more than I allow you to know dipshit. You need to stick to sandwiches and pretzel's fatboy.

 

[dedhoops24]

Have your buddies come have a conversation with me. I've done a lot more than I allow you to know dipshit. You need to stick to sandwiches and pretzel fatboy.

You drove the gas truck. Poor bastard. Now I can understand why you are on a message board day and night posting your ass off.....it makes you feel important and tough.....

A gunny my ass.....

 

[Gunny46]

You drove the gas truck. Poor bastard. Now I can understand why you are on a message board day and night posting your ass off.....it makes you feel important and tough.....

A gunny my ass.....

Like you dumbfvck with your multiple accounts. I only bring up my service when people ask and pussies like you attack Veterans. I can have an intelligent conversation with anyone else who has done what I have. That's not you fat fvck.

 

[atlkvb]

Says the used car salesman......did you even go to WVU? Talk about a wasted education if so......

FYI...I don't sell "used cars". 99.99999% of every vehicle operating on the road is being "used", including the heap you're rollin' in! 100% of my inventory has never been previously owned, and I don't service customers in that market segment.

I said you are nothing but a liar and I can easily prove it. You stated in your rundown to the questions I asked of you where you most strenuously disagree with Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Racists that you are"Pro Life" correct?

So you strenuously disagree with them that Human Life is sacred and should be protected?

You are therefore not "Pro choice", meaning a Woman should be allowed to terminate her unwanted Pregnancy at any time for any reason? You oppose that, correct?

So tell me, why you are "Pro Life"? You said it's a personal decision correct? Based on what? What is the reason you believe Life is sacred and should be protected?

Explain?

 

[wvu2007]

You drove the gas truck. Poor bastard. Now I can understand why you are on a message board day and night posting your ass off.....it makes you feel important and tough.....

A gunny my ass.....

So you denigrate the working class and now members of the military?

 

[JWG66]

I am a Democrat. I have also voted Republican. I would put myself between libertarian and liberal.

As for my party, they have sold their soul to the devil. They have been for decades trying to attract a younger following. But those youngsters never vote, so it didn't work. But now, these youngsters aren't "liberals", they are RADICALS and EXTREMISTS with their thoughts and beliefs. They feel pushing their beliefs on to everyone is the right way and use the "liberalism" claim as a mask to hide their true extremist views.

My Democrats are not Marxists or socialists. I think both parties have a little "socialism" in them, but the new younger group of Democrats are flat out nuts with it. Lumping a person like me in to that group is just the same as lumping all Republicans in with the racist idiots that show up with Trump hats on.

EDIT: A college professor said something to class once that I will never forget...."Fair is not always equal, and equal is not always fair". Has always stuck with me.

So politically your party is drifting away from you. And most likely you won’t have a VP. That person would really be co-President. So you are LEFT (pardon the pun) between a rock and a hard place. How the hell do you decide to vote?

For me it’s not so hard, while there is a lot to pick at on DJT, he has helped my 401K & kept his promises to secure our borders/appoint conservative judges. So I will vote my wallet.

 

[atlkvb]

What's wrong with being a car salesmen? You might be selling cars soon

He drives a "used vehicle" and makes fun of folks who buy them.