We know next year is about finding the right head coach.
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it's not news to the big donors or shane lyons. time for you to get on board with the program
The only way we are looking for a new coach is if another school hires Dana away. Georgia just tried to hire Gibson. This coaching staff is going places. We need to double down on Dana and give this staff an extension
During the Bill Stewart emergency 3 AM alcohol infused coaching hire we had 4 guys on the short list; Jimbo Fisher, Butch Jones, Rick Trickett and Terry Bowden. Jimbo was the guy we wanted but his 2 million dollar buyout to cut his HIC contract seemed a steep price to pay, especially since Rich was renegging on his nearly 4 million buyout he owed WVU at the same time. Odd, 2 million dollars is a deal these days - oh what could have been.
Terry Bowden thought he had the job in the bag and we were getting him for peanuts. Butch Jones was still something of an untested product and I don't think Trickett ever got much traction.
When the process started to hire Dana, it was an odd arrangement that involved coming in the door as the OC and marking time for Bill Stewart to exit the program. Not many coaches worth their salary are going to want to sign onto that setup and while a few names were on the short list as alternatives, Luck really had focused on Dana from the very start of the process. This was very much how WVU was targeting Jimbo Fisher even though other names came and went in the process, even Saban's.
WVU does not do much of a coaching search, they pick a target based often on things that have more to do with economics than they do results on the field or finding someone that will walk into a quagmire before he gets the job. Both hires were botched and by different people yet both took place at WVU. I see no reason the next hire wont be handled as badly and the next coach is probably no better than what we have or have had as a result.
I am hoping Lyons knows his job better than his predecessors. Luck was king in many areas but his greatest test was to hire a superb coach and he let emotions over how to handled Bill get in the way and that limited him to hiring an OC and then promoting through all of the off field drama. Blind squirrels could find a nut faster than all of that.
Of those guys we occasionally hear about Terry Bowden has done ok at his current position but he is not a box of fireworks. He is out of the running. Butch Jones is an excuse machine at Tennessee, we have had enough of excuses and we don't need him. The SS Jimbo Fisher has sailed never to be seen again; he is out. Rick Trickett was never in the serious mix. He is not a contender. Doc Holiday, is a Bill Stewart 2, no thank you.
We can't really be tabbing names for a short list just yet. In February 2016 that process can and probably will begin.
I am sure you saw the manner in which the news came out that the AD would retain Dana for 2016. You don't have to read too many tea leaves in this business to realize that Dana is on the exit track. He is leaving on a 12 month tour same as what was intended when he came in. He has been the HCIW and now it seems he is the HCIW to exit.
Go ahead and get the Mountaineers a new coach. The new coach will deliver about 7-8-9 wins a year but they will come at a much higher cost. Give the new coach a few years to get to his 'own' players in the game.........so..............please be patient waiting on those wins. I am just the messenger. Warez
If that is the case then this is right up there with Luck's coach in waiting and no buyout contract. If you bring Dana back it has to be with the understanding that his performance controls his destiny. I'm not a Dana fan by any stretch, but bringing him back with the pre-conceived notion that you'll just fire him next year is a recipe for disaster.
Oh it's definitely telling. If Dana goes into next season without one it is very disheartening. Not only does it tell the tale that Lyons has no confidence in Dana but also that he doesn't have the connections with big donors necessary to get rid of him this season. In that case it could be much worse than what we know. It's one thing to have an AD and a coach on the outs. If you add to that the fact that the AD and donors can't find common ground it's a recipe for disaster.
Another message board head coach firing on our idiot board - what does that make like 80 this year alone. Holgorsen will be our coach for the foreseeable future in case you didn't get the memo last week. The trolls & low information fans need to start preparing themselves for the next shoe to drop - a contract extension. LOL!
That is one way to look at it but committee negotiations are much more complex than that. Many variables played into Dana being retained another year such as the plethora of coaching changes this season or the inherent desire to make a good decision our 3rd time at the selection box since Rich left. Donors and the AD are always at odds on various issues, but they work them out. Seldom do you get the donor that takes his marbles and goes home and that is not happening right now, so the assertion by you that there is some sort of internal strife between is fabrication.
Dana has a year to plan his post-WVU future. There is nothing he can do to retain his job now except winning the Big-12 next season.
Oh ok I get it now...you'd like to start discussing candidates now for sometime next year! Well before the landscape changes from promotions, firings and the like, as it does every year....yes carry on...keep talking and flaming...
What do Pittzitt, Orlaco, ad LFM have in common? Inquiring minds want to know.
I know this has nothing to do with the OP but it was a pathetic troll attempt anyway. Why do people feed him?
I know this has nothing to do with the OP but it was a pathetic troll attempt anyway. Why do people feed him?
Another message board head coach firing on our idiot board - what does that make like 80 this year alone. Holgorsen will be our coach for the foreseeable future in case you didn't get the memo last week. The trolls & low information fans need to start preparing themselves for the next shoe to drop - a contract extension. LOL!
Who's the bigger Idiot? The idiot or the idiot who keeps posting here?
I'll give you two that will be Power 5 coaches by this time next year and would be good here. PJ Fleck @ western Michigan and Jeff Brohm @ WKU
You can't expect the idiots to realize that this is an idiot board.
Dana tain't even born here.
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agree on both of these. good coaches. and both would satisfy wbgvgbg's strange desire for a young "cool" coach.
I never pretended to know what goes on behind the scenes with the coaches or the donors. Everything in that post was hypothetical. Evidenced by words like "if" and "could". I will say this, if Lyons accepted the job as AD without a list of head coaches he would like to hire he was ill prepared to do so. He had to have some idea when he was hired here that Dana was or was not up to his standards. He had an entire season to put out feelers to these coaches if Dana were not up to those standards and raise the money to replace him. So common sense would dictate that either Dana is up to standards (which should mean a contract extension is forth coming) or Lyons couldn't get his replacement on board or the money gathered to make it happen. None of those could be true. However, from the outside looking in those are logical thought processes.
You are... Marshall!Another message board head coach firing on our idiot board - what does that make like 80 this year alone. Holgorsen will be our coach for the foreseeable future in case you didn't get the memo last week. The trolls & low information fans need to start preparing themselves for the next shoe to drop - a contract extension. LOL!
It would have cost 8 million to buy out the entire staff and there where way too many job openings this year. Next year the majority of the assistant contracts are up so they wouldn't be owed anything and Dana would only be owed the final year of his contract. Lyons could have delayed making a statement on Holgorson's future to see what the interest level was on the job if anything it gives him an idea of who could be interested if Dana fails to win next season
A bit misleading that his first season was 1-11.
He is 15-10 in two years and 12-4 in the league. Also is a monster on the recruiting trail as he has signed the best recruiting class in the MAC the last three years. the dude will have a power 5 job next year
You forgot Skip Holtz. I know for a fact that Skip Holtz thought he had the job sewn up. I was there in the team hotel when the coaching situation was going down. I thought Stew was a good hire because I felt he had been in Frauds system lomg enough to realize that he shouldn't tinker with offensive success. However, hiring a quarterback coach from Wake Forest to lead a high powered offense was a big mistake. Hiring a career tight end coach as offensive line coach was a big mistake as well. Should have hired coaches with One read experience. Add to that some other good coaches who wanted to Stew to fail and you got big problems. Then we hire Holgorsen, who I like, who made big mistakes by hiring a staff with no ties to our recruiting areas and who only looked at WVU as a stepping stone. Yet another disaster. At least he has finally made some good moves with assistant coaches. My biggest concern with hiring a new coach is getting someone who repeats the same mistakes of the past. How did I end up with this rant? Off on a tangent I guess.
We may already have the correct person as head coach. We will know by the end of next season. I am not a big Dana fan but am also not all that unhappy with most of the results.
KSU was the biggie. And to a lessor extent also OSU.
KSU was the biggie. And to a lessor extent also OSU.
I think it's pretty obvious he plans to place me as the new Chief Message Board Officer (CMBO) as restructuring takes place next season.
I'll be taking applications for my personal assistant.
SPOILER: My favorite drink is rum or anything with rum in it, so read up on your mixology before applying.
Double down on a HC who has underperformed 3 years running?
I'll give him this year to prove something, but Lyons would be signing his own resignation letter if he signed Dana to any extension that wouldn't involve Dana giving any and all leverage currently in his current contract (i.e. no buy out if fired).
Exactly right...
Double down on a HC who has underperformed 3 years running?
I'll give him this year to prove something, but Lyons would be signing his own resignation letter if he signed Dana to any extension that wouldn't involve Dana giving any and all leverage currently in his current contract (i.e. no buy out if fired).
imo jimbo is overrated. Doubt he would do any better than Dana. FSU recruits itself. If you can't win there and playing that conference slate, you shouldn't be coaching at this level.
Jimbo is overrated from someone who is constantly slobbering on Dana?!? Got hypocrisy?
You really do not know much about football based on this position of yours. Jimbo is 68-13 and a National Championship in his 6 years as Head Coach at FSU. He also had the winning streak of 26 games during that run over 3 years. Had back to back undefeated seasons. How could you consider him over rated? Better yet, how do you think Dana is on the same planet with Jimbo? I would suggest you need to learn more and post less.
Jimbo Fisher being overrated gave me a good chuckle thank you.
Anyway my position is this MONEY. It would have cost WVU to much to replace Dana and staff this season. Gibson's contact has been redone so that should help out a little.
The second thing is PERFORMANCE. WVU had a list of things wrong and still was two possessions away from a 9 win season. If we see those things cleaned up and win 9 games next year plus a bowl we extend Dana's contract. If we continue to have the same problems and stumble to win 6-7 games make a change.
It won't cost as much and WVU is a Big12 member now and has much more going for it than it ever has. It will be alot easier finding a better quality coaching candidate than it would have been in the past. WVU is not a stepping stone job anymore because of revenue and conference membership, it will be a very attractive job to some really good coaches.
Tressel, Brown, are 2 people you at least talk to. Lyons knows Saban so you call him just for good publicity but you also get his advice. Tony Gibson could be a good candidate. Tom Bradley might be a good pick.
Point is WVU is not a no man's land in college football anymore. We can get a good coach to come here if Dana doesn't work out.
Anyway my position is this MONEY. It would have cost WVU to much to replace Dana and staff this season. Gibson's contact has been redone so that should help out a little.
The second thing is PERFORMANCE. WVU had a list of things wrong and still was two possessions away from a 9 win season. If we see those things cleaned up and win 9 games next year plus a bowl we extend Dana's contract. If we continue to have the same problems and stumble to win 6-7 games make a change.
It won't cost as much and WVU is a Big12 member now and has much more going for it than it ever has. It will be alot easier finding a better quality coaching candidate than it would have been in the past. WVU is not a stepping stone job anymore because of revenue and conference membership, it will be a very attractive job to some really good coaches.
Tressel, Brown, are 2 people you at least talk to. Lyons knows Saban so you call him just for good publicity but you also get his advice. Tony Gibson could be a good candidate. Tom Bradley might be a good pick.
Point is WVU is not a no man's land in college football anymore. We can get a good coach to come here if Dana doesn't work out.
