OU is now riding the coattails of a true freshman QB who did not even play football last year. Will our true freshman ever be ready? Go figure!
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You're comparing a 5 star #1 QB recruit to other freshmen?OU is now riding the coattails of a true freshman QB who did not even play football last year. Will our true freshman ever be ready? Go figure!
Pat White played as a true freshman if I recall. The primary reason to play a true freshman isn't if that freshman is ready to really compete, its if you have no other options better than that player on your roster.A Major Harris and Pat White don’t come along very often. And even they had redshirts before seeing action. You might need to temper your expectations with reality.
Amen! Doesn’t matter how many stars you have, learning the playbook is what’s important when our QB situation for whatever reason is so pathetic. Nothing to lose this year by playing Crowder.Pat White played as a true freshman if I recall. The primary reason to play a true freshman isn't if that freshman is ready to really compete, its if you have no other options better than that player on your roster.
If I recall correctly, PW was beaten out preseason by Adam Bednarik. Pat had to go into the Louisville game when Bednarik was injured. Bet Louisville wished they hadn’t put our starter out of that game. Anyway, I think it shows coaches can have a reluctance to go with talent over experience. Even Oklahoma was slow to take out Rattler for Williams. Just a guess, but I think the coaches are afraid of TOs. Although that doesn’t add up well for us as JD has had more than his share of those. It does make me wonder what the coaches see when they watch film and run practices.Pat White played as a true freshman if I recall. The primary reason to play a true freshman isn't if that freshman is ready to really compete, its if you have no other options better than that player on your roster.
If I recall correctly, PW was beaten out preseason by Adam Bednarik. Pat had to go into the Louisville game when Bednarik was injured. Bet Louisville wished they hadn’t put our starter out of that game. Anyway, I think it shows coaches can have a reluctance to go with talent over experience. Even Oklahoma was slow to take out Rattler for Williams. Just a guess, but I think the coaches are afraid of TOs. Although that doesn’t add up well for us as JD has had more than his share of those. It does make me wonder what the coaches see when they watch film and run practices.
You might want to do some research. Pat White was a redshirt freshmen when he replaced Bednarik in the Louisville game.Pat White played as a true freshman if I recall. The primary reason to play a true freshman isn't if that freshman is ready to really compete, its if you have no other options better than that player on your roster.
You might want to do some research. Pat White was a redshirt freshmen when he replaced Bednarik in the Louisville game.
Its also easier for a true freshman to play at Oklahoma when he is surrounded by 4-5 star players not exactly what wvu hasOU is now riding the coattails of a true freshman QB who did not even play football last year. Will our true freshman ever be ready? Go figure!
I never stated a fact, I just stated what I recalled from memory. Most people who use any variation of "you should do some research" generally are doing so in condescension which is kind of dickish. So I apologize for jumping to conclusions if that is not what you meant.No need to get nasty. I didn't go out of my way to correct you. I made the redshirt statement and was merely restating the facts. Really, who is being the dick about it.
Oh haven't you heard? Stars no longer matter according to OP.Its also easier for a true freshman to play at Oklahoma when he is surrounded by 4-5 star players not exactly what wvu has
You're the one who brought up "stars" doofus. We don't have to worry about recruiting rankings at wvu. KNEEL CLOWN can't keep recruits anyway. Might as well go to all walk ons under this joker.Oh haven't you heard? Stars no longer matter according to OP.
Stars only matter when it's convenient for their opinions.
Look a big fish.You're the one who brought up "stars" doofus. We don't have to worry about recruiting rankings at wvu. KNEEL CLOWN can't keep recruits anyway. Might as well go to all walk ons under this joker.
Once again you dance and dodge and try to steer the conversation away from your off center previous post. Just can't concentrate can you doofus?Look a big fish.
2022 3rd in Big 12 24th overall
2021 4th in Big 12 37th overall
2020 4th in Big12 41st overall
2019 moved holgs numbers of 9 and 81 to 7th Big 12 and 47 nationally.
#THIS!Its also easier for a true freshman to play at Oklahoma when he is surrounded by 4-5 star players not exactly what wvu has
Look a big fish.
2022 3rd in Big 12 24th overall
2021 4th in Big 12 37th overall
2020 4th in Big12 41st overall
2019 moved holgs numbers of 9 and 81 to 7th Big 12 and 47 nationally.
Dana couldn't recruit players and Bill Stewart, by way of Jeff Mullen who he refused to consider replacing, couldn't effectively use players. We need both at WVU. So far Neal has not shown that he is effective at developing and utilizing the players he does have. That raises concerns that even with better players, WVU may still underperform.
I completely agree, we definitely need both. We cant rely on out recruiting, and nobody can out-scheme everyone at all times. We also need 75%-90% of the starting 22 to be upperclassmen..
Personally, I think its to early to accurately identify if Brown can effectively utilize talent. We have to understand we know less than 1 % about this team, its roster, the players skillsets, their pros & cons, schemes, opponents, etc that ANY staff would know.
More importantly, because of the combination of lack of talent & experience, Brown could technically be utilizing > 90% of players production potential. It looks bad to us because we dont know the capability potential of every player. My point, Brown could very well be outperforming as a staff, it doesnt look that way to us, because we all lack the appropriate information needed to draw an accurate guess/analysis. This roster has serious deficiencies, from both a talent & experience perspective, which the worst of combinations. Not saying Brown and staff have not been perfect or cant improve, because they certainly can... Just think its to early to tell where the accountability resides. 50%players/50%staff or 80%players/20%staff Brown could be squeezing almost all he can out of this collection of talent & experience, its impossible to identify that, because we dont have a sample where Brown did not have significant talent & experience limitations.
I will say, while he was at Troy, he seemed to utilize his players well, at a very high rate, far higher than most coaches, by taking a program like Troy and beating LSU @ LSU, Nebraska @ Nebraska, and almost upsetting Clemson @ Clemson. If I had to guess, I think we are seeing massive levels of roster deficiencies and Brown is simply trying to make the best of a bad situation and deploying concepts he feels his players can execute, which is a perspective & application of limitation.(ie predictability).
This is why we must detach emotions from analyzing this staff. Something that is very difficult for majority, as we are all emotionally invested in WVU. Once we have a sample where Brown has the appropriate time to resolve those deficiencies, thats when Ill personally begin analyzing the quality of the staff. When Brown has a talented & experienced upperclassmen OL, a QB thats mobile and can throw more then 20yrds and accurately hit more then just slant routes. When it obvious he has a quality roster, designed for his vision, thats when we can see what our ceiling may be under this staff. Who knows, Brown may hire new assistants too, so Brown himself may identify areas within his staff that are not meeting his expectations. I just think its important to have a diverse collection of data sets & samples before serious conclusions are made, no more.....no less. If year 5 rolls around and we still see the same issues, Ill be the first calling for......adjustments.
Another reason why IM extremely hesitant to criticize this atff at the moment... This is NOT a case of blatant under performance from a staff perspective. Where the program and/or previous regime recruited very well like Texas, Auburn, LSU, Tennesse, USC, UF, Miami, FSU, etc with 3-15 consecutive Top 10-15 recruiting classes but have managed to only get 5,6,7 wins... Brown inherited a program that would have ranked in the 70-80 range from a talent perspective, and was one of the youngest teams in all of D1 in 2019.
If DH had been recruiting in the high 20's-30's in 2015,2016,2017, I would be a bit more quick to critique, but those were DH's worst recruiting years, which would have been upperclassmen for Brown in 2019, 2020, & 2021. So its not like a Tom Herman situation where he has several top5 classes, and hits 7 wins... Or a Pruitt situation where he has several top 15 classes for a few years before he was hired and a few during his regime but drastically under performed... There are many obvious cases where a staff are under performing relative to talent & experience. That is certainly not the case here.
Lets see what Brown can do when he walks our team onto the field and every player is his recruit. Thats when we can be sure in our opinion. At least for me anways..
If you correlate talent to wins, it actually makes sense being 2017 was the worst recruiting year in that horrendous 3 year stretch by DH. IT ranked 57th...... and that is with all the top players included that are no longer at WVU, nor have been at WVU for a few years...I think to follow 2 full seasons with a possible losing season, even possibly as bad as 3-9, is underperforming by any estimation. Unless it's a rash of injuries, somewhere along the coaching staff's responsibility is a deficiency to be this bad in year 3. Maybe I'm wrong, but coaches that have gone on to have great careers usually improved across 3 seasons
I was not being condescending. Sorry for the misunderstanding.I never stated a fact, I just stated what I recalled from memory. Most people who use any variation of "you should do some research" generally are doing so in condescension which is kind of dickish. So I apologize for jumping to conclusions if that is not what you meant.
Busted!You're comparing a 5 star #1 QB recruit to other freshmen?