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This is the whole crux of the issue. Anytime someone posts that Brown's performance is bad in a loss or still not good enough in a win to show that all his previous failings are behind him, there is nothing but accusations of being delusional or not being real fans.
Agreed 100%. There is no real argument made just a lot of name-calling and stuff. And that's fine if we want to fight amongst fans but the thing about it is if they're going to keep someone like Neil brown, then they need to lower the ticket prices pretty much in half and get the hell out of the Big 12 because we don't belong there. I still haven't seen a single argument that raises an eyebrow about why Neil Brown should coach any longer. Nobody is delusional who has jumped off his bandwagon.
 
I have been a WVU fan for a long time. I will be a WVU fan for a lot longer.
But is is ok to say I don't like being a .500 team? Especially when I have no clue as to what the next game will be like. Doesn't matter if we are playing a good or bad team. You just tend to watch now and live with it. I do not like that.
 
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Surprised you didn't write a 238 word reply.

Here's the deal
I'm a fan I like wins
I'm a fan I don't like losses.

People know Brown is not getting it done. Doesn't mean you can be an ass about it.
OK...here is what K-State is going to do....just like Iowa St....Greene is a 56% completion rate passer 8 td's and 6 ints.
put more than 5 in the tackle box and dare WVU to pass...5 can't block 6 or 7...
Make GG beat them with his arm
You just can't win in today's game with average or mediocre passing QB play...WVU is 3-3...put Nicco in if GG isn't moving the team..6 games left and we need this next one in the worst way.
 
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This is the whole crux of the issue. Anytime someone posts that Brown's performance is bad in a loss or still not good enough in a win to show that all his previous failings are behind him, there is nothing but accusations of being delusional or not being real fans. A good reason why WVU fans should not voice their displeasure with Brown's performance or why Brown is doing an acceptable job is not given.
Same goes when someone post they are a fan of WVU. Automatically they are accused of being in support of Brown as head coach and he shouldn't be fired. The said fan is accused of liking mediocrity. This is necessarily the case. Fans like to cheer for wins.
 
Agreed 100%. There is no real argument made just a lot of name-calling and stuff. And that's fine if we want to fight amongst fans but the thing about it is if they're going to keep someone like Neil brown, then they need to lower the ticket prices pretty much in half and get the hell out of the Big 12 because we don't belong there. I still haven't seen a single argument that raises an eyebrow about why Neil Brown should coach any longer. Nobody is delusional who has jumped off his bandwagon.
Very valid point. If you’re not in it to win it (B12), then what is the point? Everyone makes excuses about the NIL and Transfer Portal (I was one of them) and that’s fine if you’re asking WVU to recruit 5 stars across the board like Ohio State. But we’ve never competed for those recruits anyways. The problem is, and the question, how are other similar programs doing it? The naysayers act like only WVU is dealing with the NIL and Portal problems. So is everyone else. It’s called adaptation to change. WVU and their resources should be competing for B12 championships consistently. Kansas State does it. Iowa State is doing it. Utah will be doing it.
 
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Actually you have no control over who is an ass about it. You can either bitch about that, or let people be asses about it if they want. I have no problem being an ass about this situation because that's how we make change as fans. They should know that most fans are done with this dude just the same as a lot of alum are offended by what they have done to the school itself. I understand they're making steps to fix the school part, now it's time to fix the football part because our attendance is always the best when our football program is good. Look at the history. I'm proud of being an ass for this cause because we got to get rid of this loser.

On the other hand, I just simply don't see the people who are mad about the Neil Brown haters providing a lot of debate topics. They just call names and point fingers and act like assholes too lol. I'm still waiting for anybody to really make a compelling argument on why we should keep Brown any longer than the last game of this season. My mind is open....
You have no control over who is fan or not a fan. You also have no control of hiring and firing no matter what you believe.

Perhaps if you would quit with the attacks, false accusations, name calling and the sort then it would cease to exist.
 
You have no control over who is fan or not a fan. You also have no control of hiring and firing no matter what you believe.

Perhaps if you would quit with the attacks, false accusations, name calling and the sort then it would cease to exist.
Im not the one who started the name calling and the attacks or any of it. That would be bru and VGA, and you tbh. You are one of the worst personal attackers on here Allen. I will smack talk right back when someone does it to me. I never really had a problem with anyone on here until I came out against Neil Brown three years ago. Those two got mad at that and started attacking me and calling me a fake fan and all kinds of stuff way back then. So I started calling names back. Not liking Neil Brown wasn't very popular back then but the fact of the matter is the stuff I said about him has turned out to be true. You can call me names all you want I really don't care but don't be surprised if I return the favor
 
OK...here is what K-State is going to do....just like Iowa St....Greene is a 56% completion rate passer 8 td's and 6 ints.
put more than 5 in the tackle box and dare WVU to pass...5 can't block 6 or 7...
Make GG beat them with his arm
You just can't win in today's game with average or mediocre passing QB play...WVU is 3-3...put Nicco in if GG isn't moving the team..6 games left and we need this next one in the worst way.
Rush 5. 2 spies on GG 4 1 on 1 defenders for WR's. Make GG beat them with his arm. Odds are that he won't be able to do it. Not if any team has decent CB / S. This is what ISU did after the first two drives.
ESPiN showed the spies and how they used them. Closed off the biggest weapon GG has.

GG will be forced out of pocket and his run game will be slowed by the spies. He'll make a few good throws but even at that 56% isn't good enough to beat a decent B12 team. GG isn't nearly as accurate throwing on the run. Spies for ISU even kept the TE/outlet man in check.

That D will be the roadmap for all opponents going forward.
 
Im not the one who started the name calling and the attacks or any of it. That would be bru and VGA, and you tbh. You are one of the worst personal attackers on here Allen. I will smack talk right back when someone does it to me. I never really had a problem with anyone on here until I came out against Neil Brown three years ago. Those two got mad at that and started attacking me and calling me a fake fan and all kinds of stuff way back then. So I started calling names back. Not liking Neil Brown wasn't very popular back then but the fact of the matter is the stuff I said about him has turned out to be true. You can call me names all you want I really don't care but don't be surprised if I return the favor
Your accusation of me is false.

You go ahead be you. The guy who knows all.

Sorry if I have offended you. I am in the process of correcting that.

Feel free to put me on ignore. So when I say I'm happy over wins and mad at losses you will not have to read it. God bless, have a great life. Hope things change for you.
 
Very valid point. If you’re not in it to win it (B12), then what is the point? Everyone makes excuses about the NIL and Transfer Portal (I was one of them) and that’s fine if you’re asking WVU to recruit 5 stars across the board like Ohio State. But we’ve never competed for those recruits anyways. The problem is, and the question, how are other similar programs doing it? The naysayers act like only WVU is dealing with the NIL and Portal problems. So is everyone else. It’s called adaptation to change. WVU and their resources should be competing for B12 championships consistently. Kansas State does it. Iowa State is doing it. Utah will be doing it.
Yeah I just don't see the point in giving Neil Brown some kind of pass that other coaches don't get. From what I understand we are in the top 35 in the nil. That is not bad at all. You're right we are not competing for a bunch of five-star guys. We have always done more with less because of good coaching. I think it's time we get back to that and stop the damage that's being done. When they raised ticket prices to pretty absurd levels, they made a commitment to winning, not just providing a fun atmosphere. It is difficult to go to those games these days, but fans are doing it and they are absolutely getting ripped off in every way and I am totally against it. If they want to downgrade to the Mac that's fine, but what they're doing now is a total failure.
 
Your accusation of me is false.

You go ahead be you. The guy who knows all.

Sorry if I have offended you. I am in the process of correcting that.

Feel free to put me on ignore. So when I say I'm happy over wins and mad at losses you will not have to read it. God bless, have a great life. Hope things change for you.
His accusations on me are false as well. I have never responded to someone calling them a fake fan. I have called certain posters who act a certain way fake fans. If they take it personal, must be some guilt associated.
 
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Rush 5. 2 spies on GG 4 1 on 1 defenders for WR's. Make GG beat them with his arm. Odds are that he won't be able to do it. Not if any team has decent CB / S. This is what ISU did after the first two drives.
ESPiN showed the spies and how they used them. Closed off the biggest weapon GG has.

GG will be forced out of pocket and his run game will be slowed by the spies. He'll make a few good throws but even at that 56% isn't good enough to beat a decent B12 team. GG isn't nearly as accurate throwing on the run. Spies for ISU even kept the TE/outlet man in check.

That D will be the roadmap for all opponents going forward.
Same defenses that teams have used the past six years against WVU.

Biggest difference in the ISU game is they took advantage of every WVU mistake. They are very disciplined team, well coached and very patient.

ISU talent isn't any better than WVU'S. They are better with their execution and the adjustments by coaches.
 
Your accusation of me is false.

You go ahead be you. The guy who knows all.

Sorry if I have offended you. I am in the process of correcting that.

Feel free to put me on ignore. So when I say I'm happy over wins and mad at losses you will not have to read it. God bless, have a great life. Hope things change for you.
You have made a lot of personal attacks on here man. The thing about it is I think you just take it a little too personal. It's just the internet man. Don't Go Changing your life over anything. I'm sure you're a good dude in person and you bring a lot to the table on this message board . People have disagreements and they talk smack. Like I said I never really had a problem with anyone, but when I came out against Neil Brown I became Public Enemy to a lot of WVU fans and I will gladly wear that label. It was pretty much the same thing when I took up for Huggins and once again I'm proud of that and don't care what people think. I am purposely trying to make noise because I want Neil Brown gone and I want to be the squeaky wheel. That bothers some people and it is what it is. I don't really plan on stopping until they get rid of the dude
 
To further drive home my point, Sports Illustrated has WVU ranked as the second most expensive game day experience in 2024.

It's beyond time to move on from the worst coach in WVU history. Fans aren't even coming remotely close to getting their money's worth going to a WVU game under Neil brown. It's absurd and either they need to cut the prices in half, move out of the Big 12 or fire Neil Brown. It just can't go on like this. WVU is turning into a rip-off and it has gone too far.
 
True fans support their team to the utmost. If their team was the worst in all the NCAA, the true fan would still be there to support them. WVU has a fair weather fanbase like most other programs.
 
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True fans support their team to the utmost. If their team was the worst in all the NCAA, the true fan would still be there to support them. WVU has a fair weather fanbase like most other programs.
Neil Brown is not the team. He's a bad coach of the team and wanting him gone makes the team better. He needs replaced so the team can get better the way they deserve to. You guys are pathetic

Can you list the things Neil Brown has done to deserve being the coach of wvu? What are his accomplishments here after 6 years, over half of the decade? Let's hear it.....
 
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Honestly with ticket prices the way they are and the economy the way it is, I wouldn't blame anyone for not going to games. I'm surprised we have had the turnout that we have had this year. WVU fans are hardcore. Now we just need a coach to match that.
 
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Honestly with ticket prices the way they are and the economy the way it is, I wouldn't blame anyone for not going to games. I'm surprised we have had the turnout that we have had this year. WVU fans are hardcore. Now we just need a coach to match that.
I'm sure we can match the mountains with Brown.
 
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Anyone still following and supporting WVU football is a real fan.
I'm still following and supporting WVU football, basketball, baseball. Not a soccer fan but I would watch WVU.

Cuss me out, call me dirty names whatever. I still support WVU.
 
True fans support their team to the utmost. If their team was the worst in all the NCAA, the true fan would still be there to support them. WVU has a fair weather fanbase like most other programs.
I can remember Iowa State fans selling out their stadium for every home game even when they were finishing last.
 
I'm still following and supporting WVU football, basketball, baseball. Not a soccer fan but I would watch WVU.

Cuss me out, call me dirty names whatever. I still support WVU.
Everyone on this message board supports WVU or they wouldn't be here lol. I mean this is kindergarten knowledge. How can people even question that? This whole idea that because you want the football coach fired, you don't support the team is simply just retarded. Whoever came up with it is a total poser. It's just not true. WVU is a great team who deserves a great coach. Bottom line
 
Everyone on this message board supports WVU or they wouldn't be here lol. I mean this is kindergarten knowledge. How can people even question that? This whole idea that because you want the football coach fired, you don't support the team is simply just retarded. Whoever came up with it is a total poser. It's just not true. WVU is a great team who deserves a great coach. Bottom line
The head coach is a big part of the team. Without one, there is no team. How are you supporting the team by wanting to get rid of a big part of it?
 
Actually you have no control over who is an ass about it. You can either bitch about that, or let people be asses about it if they want. I have no problem being an ass about this situation because that's how we make change as fans. They should know that most fans are done with this dude just the same as a lot of alum are offended by what they have done to the school itself. I understand they're making steps to fix the school part, now it's time to fix the football part because our attendance is always the best when our football program is good. Look at the history. I'm proud of being an ass for this cause because we got to get rid of this loser.

On the other hand, I just simply don't see the people who are mad about the Neil Brown haters providing a lot of debate topics. They just call names and point fingers and act like assholes too lol. I'm still waiting for anybody to really make a compelling argument on why we should keep Brown any longer than the last game of this season. My mind is open....
Have you heard about the tailgating experience these days at the stadium?

Sorry that was a cheap shot at Brown. To be fair to him, I don’t think the question was entirely fair and certainly caught him off guard. Still terrible quote that deserves the backlash.
 
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if that story is true that GG's mom feels threatened and sometimes needs a police escort for wearing her son's jersey...who would want to play for this school? coaches from other teams already employ negative recruiting tactics against our state...if some of our drunk redneck fans ,who look like they've spent half of their lives in a bar , threaten some players family..I don't care if WVU has another winning season or drops football altogether.
 
if that story is true that GG's mom feels threatened and sometimes needs a police escort for wearing her son's jersey...who would want to play for this school? coaches from other teams already employ negative recruiting tactics against our state...if some of our drunk redneck fans ,who look like they've spent half of their lives in a bar , threaten some players family..I don't care if WVU has another winning season or drops football altogether.
For once I agree with you. Garrett Greene is a true Mountaineer and has received way too much hate even on here from certain fans, imo. If people are threatening his mother, then those people should be arrested and exposed right away no questions asked.

Leave the kids out of it. They can only do what they are coached to do, and in our case they don't get very good coaching in recent years.
 
The head coach is a big part of the team. Without one, there is no team. How are you supporting the team by wanting to get rid of a big part of it?
That is simply not true at all. They could fire brown today and let Chad scott be the interim head coach. The team is still there. They could fire the entire coaching staff today and the team will still be there, waiting to learn who the new coach is.
 
Hate speak has unintentional consequences as those that get caught up in it look for different avenues to garner attention. Doesn't matter if it is politics or various parts of society. One of my main reasons I speak out against it on this board against our head coach

You are responsible for the threats to GG family if you do it.
 
Hate speak has unintentional consequences as those that get caught up in it look for different avenues to garner attention. Doesn't matter if it is politics or various parts of society. One of my main reasons I speak out against it on this board against our head coach

You are responsible for the threats to GG family if you do it.
That is total bullshit. Nobody is responsible for the threats except for the people threatening. No wonder you're like you are. Your mindset is backwards from reality
 
Have you heard about the tailgating experience these days at the stadium?

Sorry that was a cheap shot at Brown. To be fair to him, I don’t think the question was entirely fair and certainly caught him off guard. Still terrible quote that deserves the backlash.
Well I think the question was more than fair and Neil Brown has mostly just dealt with softball questions for 6 years. I believe if people were to ask the tough questions like they should but they're not allowed to, he would completely melt down and would expose the fact that he doesn't have a winning mentality at all. We pay this guy millions of dollars to win, not to have a good time. He's wasting all of it and wasting time on top of it. He's not a good coach, he's not a good leader and he obviously really doesn't care about winning. It's not his priority and he has made it very clear for 6 years for the people who pay attention
 
Hate speak has unintentional consequences as those that get caught up in it look for different avenues to garner attention. Doesn't matter if it is politics or various parts of society. One of my main reasons I speak out against it on this board against our head coach

You are responsible for the threats to GG family if you do it.
remember when P McAfee missed those two FG's against Pitt?...anyone with a brain would know that he felt worse about it than anyone else possibly could... said he received over twenty death threats and left town for a few days..was going to quit the team but was convinced to coming back the next year by Bill Stewart....PM stayed away from WVU for a few years after that..you'd have to be a complete immature narcissist to not see that the warriors doing battle take the losses harder than some casual fan with no skin in the game
 
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remember when P McAfee missed those two FG's against Pitt?...anyone with a brain would know that he felt worse about it than anyone else possibly could... said he received over twenty death threats and left town for a few days..was going to quit the team but was convinced to coming back the next year by Bill Stewart....PM stayed away from WVU for a few years after that..you'd have to be a complete immature narcissist to not see that the warriors doing battle take the losses harder than some casual fan with no skin in the game
The People who made death treats again pat McAfee are assholes, but, newsflash this happens to every sports team not just wvu. I remember when I was working in Cincinnati, Carson Palmer was their quarterback and they were fed up with him and they put trash on his lawn and threatened his life and all kinds of stuff. In other parts of the world soccer players get murdered by crazy fans for poor performance. Don't act like this is unique to wvu. I know you guys are pretty sensationalist-like with your liberal mindset but the truth of the matter is, professional athletes and even major college athletes should know to expect a bunch of crazy stuff. Because it happens all the time. I don't agree with it and it's totally stupid but it's reality. Rich Rodriguez had a lot of death threats as well. I was one of the few who took up for the guy. Other people were hoping his plane crashed. Huggins too. Certain fans wished harm on him.
 
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Everyone on this message board supports WVU or they wouldn't be here lol. I mean this is kindergarten knowledge. How can people even question that? This whole idea that because you want the football coach fired, you don't support the team is simply just retarded. Whoever came up with it is a total poser. It's just not true. WVU is a great team who deserves a great coach. Bottom line
I just answered the question. Chill son.

Anyone still following and supporting WVU football is a real fan.
 
Always on the attack. Good for you. Keep hate alive. Amen.
I'm going to officially apologize for saying hurtful things to you on this message board. I would never do it in person and I shouldn't do it on here. It's a stain on me and I do apologize for it. I will work on getting better about that. I actually like you and think you have a lot of good takes on Sports.
 
I'm going to officially apologize for saying hurtful things to you on this message board. I would never do it in person and I shouldn't do it on here. It's a stain on me and I do apologize for it. I will work on getting better about that. I actually like you and think you have a lot of good takes on Sports.
Thank you appreciated same goes here.
 
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I see more of statement than a question. But I took it as a question.
Well I think he's pretty right. At this point after 6 average to below average seasons, the only people logging on this message board are real WVU fans. I don't think fake fans would even take the time to make an account on a place like this when there is much easier social media already at their fingertips. That's just my opinion though
 
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