This Hero Worshipping of Trump is Baffling To Me
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Cheers was like: "I'm going to go to the Off-Topic Board today and embarrass myself."
@Cheers
I came into the thread late yesterday afternoon, and didn't really have a chance to read all of your earlier posts questioning many on this forum who you claimed "worship" Trump. Taking some time now reading through all of your posts a little closer, I think you are either manically driven with a personal hatred for Trump at worst, or at best you are confused & grossly misinformed by his political appeal to supporters.
You cannot explain why you voted for someone as an "alternative" to him who was directly opposed to his policies, unless you are also willing to admit your vote in fact was based purely & only on emotion. Your vote for Kamala Harris obviously had nothing to do with policy, the same policies you claim on here you support! There was no need for you to lie about that, yet you exposed yourself by your own incoherent reasoning.
Your approach throughout this thread was IMO disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst. It's OK to oppose Trump's p-o-l-i-c-i-e-s. However you didn't do that. Those who did honestly oppose his policies were fortunately soundly defeated at the polls when we voted last November. However for you now to come on here feigning incredulity over what you claim is "Worship" of Trump for those very policies which got him elected, only shows on your part, an irrational hatred of him personally. You cannot articulate what better policies we should be supporting? Your irrational hatred of Trump is worse IMO than the idol worship of him you speciously claim outrage over. 😏
You destroyed your own credibility with your own words.
I came into the thread late yesterday afternoon, and didn't really have a chance to read all of your earlier posts questioning many on this forum who you claimed "worship" Trump. Taking some time now reading through all of your posts a little closer, I think you are either manically driven with a personal hatred for Trump at worst, or at best you are confused & grossly misinformed by his political appeal to supporters.
No one on is on here is "kissing Trump's ass" daily. Many posters ITT told you it's simply his policies they support...enthusiastically so too!
Not everyone on here who supports Trump's policies neither believe in nor Worship the Living Lord of the Universe. That doesn't mean they can't still support Trump's p-o-l-i-c-i-e-s (ie: border enforcement, lower taxes, energy independence, robust military, low trade tariffs etc). In fact, YOU claim you support many of those same policies, yet you maintain a personal hatred of Trump. How do you justify that with Almighty God?
No it is not! Supporting his policies is not "Worshipping" him! What's baffling is how you can on one side of your mouth say you support many of the same policies, yet you maintain this visceral hatred for Trump? What do his policies have to do with your obvious hatred for him? Again, very confusing at best, and maniacal at worst.
I wondered the same about you as I further read your posts inside the thread!
This is where you confused me, particularly in light of your irrational hatred for Trump? Why doesn't this belief in Christ's teachings animate your attitude towards Trump? How can you proclaim to others you believe in "Loving thy neighbor" yet still hold such intense unforgiveable hatred of Trump? Posters on here told you they simply support his policies...whatever personal attitudes they hold about him are irrespective of that. Many of them as I said are not believers as you claim to be! I'd really like for you to explain that to me?
Trump's policies address all of these. "Global warming" is a scientific fact, Trump and his supporters question the "science" of it being caused by man...particularly through the use of fossil fuels! There is no conclusive "science" proving that, and Trump's policies for American energy energy independence (ie: drill baby drill) reflect that skepticism. Likewise, his trade and tariff policies are designed to open up more markets to American commerce, as Foreigners have open access to our market. It was in fact pointed out to you ITT, that tariffs were the way we used to fund all functions of our government. Trump is making progress making "free" trade "fair" trade through use of reciprocal tariff policies... yet you apparently still hate him! Why?
So does Trump! His call for closing the open border, thoroughly vetting all immigrants who request admission and deporting those here illegally, are supported by a vast majority of Americans. You too apparently?
So does Trump! However he does not support men calling themselves women and then feeling free competing against girls in women's sports. He does not believe men can give birth, and he believes women who can give birth should choose Life instead of aborting their unwanted offspring. You said you believe in Christ's teachings, yet you failed to show me in Scripture ITT where Christ encourages Women to kill their unwanted children. Why didn't you answer that?
So does Trump! He supports a robust economy where anyone can choose to work instead relying on public assistance.
So does Trump! What Trump policy in your mind does he "exclude" anyone for any reason? Please be specific.
So does Trump! In fact it is one of the pillars of his candidacy. He's proposing to spend a Trillion dollars on our Armed Forces. A Trillion... the largest defense budget in our nation's history. Do you support that too?
I challenge you to point out one policy of Trump's that doesn't respect the rule of Law. He is not a "Dictator" and in fact follows all applicable Laws. Those he may question, he challenges in Court as he is legally allowed to do. It wasn't Trump who ordered the illegal spying on innocent Americans. That was the previous administration, which you voted for and I didn't read any complaints from you about that. Why not? 🤔
Trump is overseas right now doing exactly what you say you want. He's forging new alliances, opening our markets to more commerce, and attempting to forge peace in historically war torn regions. Yet you still hate him, correct?
So all of these things I've pointed out in your own words, which you claim to support... are integral parts of Trump's ongoing policies, yet you claim those of us who support these policies only "worship" him? How can you support many of these same policies, yet express bewilderment with those of us who also support them? Doesn't that sound irrational to you? You say you support 90% of what I've quoted back to you in your own words which Trump in fact emulates through specific policies, yet you claim those of us who agree with those policies are inexplicably "Worshipping" him. Does that make any rational sense to you? Or is it as I'm suggesting, primarily only because you personally detest him?
It's the irrational hatred of someone who you don't even know personally that is strange. What has he ever done to you that engenders so much hatred from you? We have a name for that on OT forum...it's called TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) Ask @moe about it, he's the board's resident "expert".
This was probably the most baffling statement you made. You admit you support many of Trump's policies outlined above, yet you voted for someone who's diametrically opposed them?
So that "alternative" was Kamala Harris...the cacklin' Communist and you honestly think she was best for America? 🤔 She was the so called "border Czar" for Christ's sake, yet she did nothing to control the massive influx of illegals into our country! She 100% supports men competing against girls, she is 100% for unrestricted abortions paid for by taxpayers, she is 100% against the Trump tax cuts, she opposes energy independence through more domestic drilling, and she 100% opposes increased military funding as well as supporting decreased funding for Law enforcement! You voted for her as at the "best alternative" to the very policies you claim to support? Lie much?
Everything you said here was proven wrong ITT. It was explained to you that Trump is in no way is a "Dictator" and suggesting such shows you are less informed than you came on here pretending to be, while complaining about everyone else's support of the very policies you also said you support! Your irrational hatred of Trump makes absolutely no sense. Honestly.
You cannot explain why you voted for someone as an "alternative" to him who was directly opposed to his policies, unless you are also willing to admit your vote in fact was based purely & only on emotion. Your vote for Kamala Harris obviously had nothing to do with policy, the same policies you claim on here you support! There was no need for you to lie about that, yet you exposed yourself by your own incoherent reasoning.
Your approach throughout this thread was IMO disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst. It's OK to oppose Trump's p-o-l-i-c-i-e-s. However you didn't do that. Those who did honestly oppose his policies were fortunately soundly defeated at the polls when we voted last November. However for you now to come on here feigning incredulity over what you claim is "Worship" of Trump for those very policies which got him elected, only shows on your part, an irrational hatred of him personally. You cannot articulate what better policies we should be supporting? Your irrational hatred of Trump is worse IMO than the idol worship of him you speciously claim outrage over. 😏
You destroyed your own credibility with your own words.
That's not true. I suggest you read the Act to understand it rather than read what someone else, particularly those in the mainstream media, tells you about the Act. I have a buddy who refuses to listen to Trump's speeches, rallies, press conferences, etc., and instead prefers to listen to what the media tells him Trump says, which means he really has no idea what Trump stands for.
This is the first sentence of the entire Act:
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That it shall be lawful for the President of the United States at any time during the continuance of this act, to order all such aliens as he shall judge dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States, or shall have reasonable grounds to suspect are concerned in any treasonable or secret machinations against the government thereof, to depart out of the territory of the United States, within such time as shall be expressed in such order, which order shall be served on such alien by delivering him a copy thereof, or leaving the same at his usual abode, and returned to the office of the Secretary of State, by the marshal or other person to whom the same shall be directed.
The Section of the Act you referenced only takes effect upon a declaration of war.
I can understand being baffled by the constant praise for Trump. I too am baffled but about the constant hate for him. It makes no sense. And there is a lot more hate than praise out there. Just turn on the television or read the news to see it. He does good and he does bad. But his good far outweighs the bad so far.
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The one question no one ever wants to address is what constitutes "all reasonable steps to facilitate" Garcia's return?
El Salvador's leader says he is not returning him. Even a Congressman visited that gang-banger in prison and he is no closer to being returned. Now what? Do we bomb El Salvador? Do we invade them and siege the prison? Stop all trade? I don't think any of that is reasonable.
So what is reasonable?
It's one thing to come on here and accuse others of positions you don't like about them. Quite another to defend your own positions against those who you accuse.
@Cheers ...rethinking his positions
Ha. Good summary of my intent. No, my position and intent has not changed and I stand by it. My intent was to simply point out how there’s a very odd dynamic happening here where people feel a need to come here daily to hero worship the president. It is. It’s weird. I’ve never seen anything like it before, especially once an election has been decided AND your candidate WON!! There appears to be a need to continue to try and justify your position, keep selling it, because there’s likely some doubt on your part and others. And all good salesmen know that when an agreement has been reached, it’s time to stop selling. Same for Trump. You’d think he was still campaigning with all his “America Is Booming” ads. Why is that necessary? And quite honestly, very little if any credit belongs to him. And if you want to cite the most recent unemployment numbers, CPI numbers, and GDP numbers as your proof, that’s fine. I find that ludicrous though because his policies haven’t had time to take hold, but I understand that’s how politics works. However, with that said, I will make a “deal” with you. 😄 If inflation remains in check over the next year (May 2026), meaning under 3.28%, currently at 2.39%, which is the common average, as measured by the CPI, then I will come here and join you in your praises. If not, then you can admit his trade policies and deals are inflationary and are hurting Americans, not helping. Is that a deal? 😄 Of course he’s already walked back much of what he put in place on April 2nd, and he will likely do more of the same going forward when he see’s the impact to American consumers, but that’s perfectly fine. I will still praise him for finally realizing what he did was wrong. I would be completely fine with that.It's one thing to come on here and accuse others of positions you don't like about them. Quite another to defend your own positions against those who you accuse.
@Cheers ...rethinking his positions
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Everyone remember SammyK, TJEBarr and Countryroads89 and how they all attacked Trump and his supporters? Same idiot circle Jerk.
You did not respond to one point I tried to make to you in post 87, so I'm sufficiently convinced you've missed the entire point of our dialogue. You can't explain to me why you voted for Harris over Trump based on policy. Yet you're here wondering why those of us who did vote for Trump over her on policy "worship" him?
Again, you miss the point, and it's pointless to discuss it further. So I won't. Have a good one @Cheers .
The Democrat Party has become irrelevant because of horrible policies. They think they can salvage it. That's funny.
They don't just suffer from TDS. They have America Derangment Syndrome too.
The ironic thing about his whole inquiry is he never once said what we should be supporting that's better policy than the Trump policies we supposedly "worship"? Kamala Harris was a better alternative for him?
Oops, sorry. I missed that question. I voted for Harris primarily for two reasons, financial and character. Financially, I felt my investments would do better with Harris because the markets had done well under Biden and I felt Trumps Project 2025 plan would shock the markets and lead to economic turmoil. And secondly, I do not think he is a man of high character, a man of principles, or a statesman. I find him to be a brash, boorish, self-promoting tyrant. My vote was not one in favor of Kamala but more one against Trump. Neither candidate appealed to me but I chose the lesser of two evils. I PRAY for the day we have better, more moderate choices. As I said yesterday, I vote for the person I feel is the most qualified to lead this country. I have voted both Republican and Democrat. Unfortunately today, this great country of ours has very few elected officials who are willing to work together for the betterment of all of us. We have extremism on both sides. And as we have seen, extremism divides us, it doesn’t unite us. We need more moderates to lead this country. Again, as I said yesterday, good ideas are not the sole ownership of any one party. Good ideas come from both sides. Unfortunately, where we are now, good ideas are blatantly rejected simply based on party affiliation. How does that help anyone?
Good talking to you but I’ve got to get some work done today. I spent way too much time chatting rather than working yesterday. 😂 It was a healthy discussion though. Have a great day.
Research Federal and Military pensions that Obama and Biden invested into China. Yet I fight against that. Why? Because I care more about the future of our Country than I do them. It's not a hard decision if you understand the damage it's cost our Country long term.
We have TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) ADS (American derangement syndrome) and now on the OT forum... a new variant.... CDS (@Cheers derangement syndrome). It's a fairly new strain of the disease, pathologists are still studying its more deleterious effects! 🤣
CDC laboratory tests of CDS....
Keep your masks handy folks in case this breaks out on the OT forum!
We have TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) ADS (American derangement syndrome) and now on the OT forum... a new variant.... CDS (@Cheers derangement syndrome). It's a fairly new strain of the disease, pathologists are still studying its more deleterious effects! 🤣
CDC laboratory tests of CDS....
Keep your masks handy folks in case this breaks out on the OT forum!
He said he voted for Harris based on the stock market. That thing will always be a roller coaster. It's not the most important thing to most Americans and it never will be as it was heading to a crash before Trump took office. If its going to survive it will be because of what he is accomplishing right now.
What is the total Trump's earned so far in investment pledges on this overseas trip...something 10 trillion in new investment dollars? Could you imagine that cacklin' Communist putting together such a deal?
How about it Kamala, could YOU have pulled that off?
Every president enacts their policy through Executive Order, that's nothing new. DACA was never more than an EO. Congress is inept and spineless, that is not new either. Every president attempts to enact their policy through loopholes or using arcane law. None of this is new.
I agree with you on tariffs. He threw out the baby with the bathwater. He threw away enough political clout that we're not going to get the spending cuts that HAD TO HAPPEN this year. At this point I see no path to avoiding either a default on US debt or hyperinflation.
But as to your complaints about reverse immigration, that appears to be your issue. He's not doing anything different than prior presidents. No more a dictator than Obama, Biden, Bush.
Even sleepy, creepy crooked Joe Biden's ex staffers are impressed with Trump's negotiating skills
Biden Officials Awed by Trump’s Middle East Moves
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Biden administration veterans who spoke with Axios raised questions about Trump’s motivations but grudgingly saluted his boldness.” Said former Biden State Department official Ned Price: “He does all this, and it’s kind of silence, it’s met with a shrug. He has the ability to do things politically that previous presidents did not.
and I'm just getting started too!
Full story here
Biden Officials Awed by Trump’s Middle East Moves
excerpt:
Biden administration veterans who spoke with Axios raised questions about Trump’s motivations but grudgingly saluted his boldness.” Said former Biden State Department official Ned Price: “He does all this, and it’s kind of silence, it’s met with a shrug. He has the ability to do things politically that previous presidents did not.
and I'm just getting started too!
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Looks like you guys who are against the US threatening to levy tariffs at the same rate as our trading partners couldn’t be more wrong. Shit is working but then again, Trump understands international trade and you guys suck at it.
No shit. One guy is travelling to foreign nations to secure trillion dollar trade agreements. The other focuses on his doomsday shelter. I know who I will put my faith in.
I understand timing and political capital. Trump used his up on tariff threats, great for long term, not great for right now. Great, our trade imbalance will be better in 2+ years.
Spending cuts were needed RIGHT NOW, and now we're not going to get those. Ever.
His priorities were out of whack, and we're screwed because of it.
How do trade deals lower spending and assist on our $37 trillion debt? How does that keep us from running a deficit before Congress has even sniffed its first discretionary spending bill? How does that keep SS solvent after 2035? How does that keep us from defaulting anywhere from 2032 on?
Over 90% of people that read the board are onto your bullshit. You continuing insulting their intelligence makes you the dumbest person on here. It's why No one reads your nonsense unless a few of us participate in the thread. You are in the minority and your constant crying about Trump on a West Virginia board where he got 70% of the vote is beyond stupid. The majority here are rooting for him.
37 trillion in debt. The Conservatives didn't do a very good job at stopping that the past 30 years did they?
Massie voted no on every CR. Chip Roy is not quite as ideological as Massie. Goode voted no, but Trump had him primaried. What other conservative do you wish to discuss?
We can discuss the ones who said they were Conservative that allowed us to get 37 trillion in debt while shipping Americans jobs overseas.
The fact is there's not much we can do other than collect tarriffs and get rid of fraud, waste, and abuse while we create jobs. Are you calling for raising taxes on everyone? Cutting Grandma's Medicare?
We are where we are. So unless you are rooting for Anarchy, Civil War, or the Democrats and RINOS to get power again and continue to drive our Country off a cliff then you give Trump’s Administration a chance to try something different.
What do you mean by he used his political capital? Like he no longer has any authority? He no longer has the support of the people?
