"You actually have people feeble-minded enough to believe Bloomberg's lunacy..."
I think you're actually conversing with one.
Stop self-medicating, morons!
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I think you're actually conversing with one.
If Bloomberg is saying that Xi’s constituents are the members of the NPC then he may have a point...which is unfortunate for the other 1.4 billion people of China.
LOL, oh, but of course you never make "partisan" posts.
Speaking of "facts", though...if "far more people are likely to die" due to an economic collapse then provide us all with some data to back it up.
Me coming back into this thread after realizing it is 7 pages:
Many wars can trace their inception to bad economic times. Look at Germany in the 20s and 30s giving rise to Hitler.
Then there is the starvation that will happen when charity dries up because people are taking care of their own.
There will absolutely be death if the economy collapses.
Which is now a different argument than the "Bad economy = Suicides!" one being proffered by Trump.
Those things are also going to happen if there are piles of dead bodies stacked in hospitals that can't keep up with the pace of the virus. It's not a binary choice, Darrin. Selling out some of our most vulnerable fellow citizens to appease stock market freaks isn't going to stop people from dying.
If you or anybody else has some data that says more people died due to the Great Depression than from the Spanish flu epidemic a decade earlier, then please share it. If anybody has any data that shows the death rate from the Great Recession is higher than the current death rate of COVID-19, then please share it.
Then she's an idiot!!They aren't "two different things." I think you mean that hydroxychloroquine is derived from chloroquine and are different chemicals. They are very similar and are used for the same indications. But the woman said later when interviewed that she got the idea from hearing the president speak about the drug. Trump did mention chloroquine (along with hydroxychloroquine) as being the cure. The husband thought that taking a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner would be a good idea. Turns out that a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner contained a lethal dose of the drug.
So did Trump tell these people to consume aquarium cleaner and is, thus, directly at fault? No. Are these people idiots? Yes. Should Trump, with his laymen at best knowledge of pharmacology, go on stage and proclaim that a drug that has very little evidence from a very small case study is a miracle cure? No, because stupid people will do things like this.
If nothing else the coronavirus calamity has shown one thing to me. It's that an alarmingly high percentage of humans will talk out of their ass about subjects they know absolutely nothing about with such conviction that they actually know what they are talking about. The media does it (Fox News, MSNBC, and, to a lesser extent, the non crazy media). The president does it. Random idiots on Twitter do it.
I wish everyone would just shut the hell up and listen to experts. It's classic Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
And everyone seems to be permanently stuck on naively confident 24/7.
Edit: rewrote the first paragraph to lower confusion as to what I meant.
So, stock market freaks are the only ones being affected economically? Provide some facts to back that up.
It was an honest question, Raven. You’re implying China is controlling what Bloomberg news is reporting. I dig your sense of humor but that’s a little out there, brother. Jmo
3% of restaurants have closed for good and that number is expected to exceed 10%. None of those restaurants are on the nyse but that is millions of jobs erased.
give your idiotic partisan shit a rest. You sound foolish.
Out of morbid curiosity, has it not piqued even your slightest interest in WHY much of the media are obsessed in shielding China from culpability of the virus they thrust upon the world?
The rancor when people call it the "Chinese Virus" or the "Wuhan Virus" ...
What to blame it on ... first China said it was bats ... then pangolins ... then snakes ... then Scott Baio ... then back to bats ... and of course, now it's the United States military ...
This was per China.
Kinda makes you wonder why the media seems to love China far more than America, doesn't it? The coverage and the bizarre circling of wagons around the CPC is just a tad suspicious, no?
I hope US companies re-evaluate how they do business in China. Also, we need to take a long look at our critical supply chain after all of this and evaluate it much like we do the strategic petroleum reserve, in my opinion.
It's not particularly sententious but I think the phrase most would use is:
"The Republicans and Democrats sold this country out."
I hear you brother. I just think that is a major stretch. Probably more about arguing with the President versus overtly supporting or being controlled by China. Why do you even watch it?
I don't. I catch highlights on Youtube the next day ... the highlights that are more like lowlights.
There are a couple people I like listening to though ...
Tarl Warwick (Styxenhammer666) makes a lot of great points. Libertarian and a described Leftist who sees Democrats as miserable douchebags ... as most sane people do.
Razorfist for entertainment .....
Scott Adams ... hardly a "Conservative" ... makes some good points too more often than not ... although he's way too reactionary over this virus and a bit of a beta male.
I also wish Christopher Hitchens was still alive (for more than one reason). I know it's odd to hear a self-described Jesus freak promote an iconic Atheist ... but his take on religion is one I shared in large part ... and his brutal takedown of Leftists was always pure entertainment.
Take a look at the hotspots. 90% are liberal cesspools. No use sugar coating the issue. Clean up their cities and these viruses would probably not be as dominant.
Quit making sense ...
And also, QUIT trying to sell reality to the same people who don't understand the peril that will ensue if we shut down 90% of the economy until mid-Summer (or longer) like so many shills are suggesting.
These people are more suicidal than the most zealous kamikaze pilots.
"Commie-kazis" if you will.
Re-read the post, Mitch. Never said stock market freaks were the only ones affected economically. If anything, they’re one of the least-affected parties in this.
That seems to be what so many folks are suggesting.
6-8 weeks tacked on to the Easter date that has so many seething and that's exactly where you're at.
Of course, I think they hate the word Easter more than anything.
Give the idiotic partisan shit a rest yourself. You sound foolish. And all because you have a grudge over an impeachment your guy won. Can’t imagine what kind of a crybaby you’d be if he had somehow lost it.
Too bad, because your first point there is valid. Everyone is worried about the jobs being lost. EVERYONE. We’ll take a hit in the short-term for sure. How long that lasts is an unknown for everybody, but I know this much—the faster we get past the disease peak, the faster we can start opening and hiring again.
This is why I can’t understand Trump fans wanting him to jump the gun and restart everything too soon. If he does that and we backslide into another outbreak, he is finished politically. If he gives it 8 weeks or so like the medical people are recommending, he can justifiably point to following their advice, etc.
Raven, you said mid summer which is early August. 6-8 weeks after Easter is early June. That’s two more months and double your time frame. Plus, I still don’t think it’s 6-8 weeks after Easter. You’ll see NBA in April and things will start to roll from there.
We’re in for a very tough 3-4 weeks, no doubt. Already losing 200 Americans per day and that will go higher but I think the curve starts to flatten in the next 30 days or less. Will be 500,000+ Americans infected by then.
How? Something tells me you were singing a different tune during the previous impeachment.
Yes, you are. Thanks for playing. Everybody who bitches about that is always one themselves, just in the opposite direction.
Still, this is your chance to show us all what a big man you are. Run out there and get everybody back to work right away so the economy gets up and running ASAP. Show us how it’s done since you’re so much smarter than all the medical experts telling Trump it’s a bad idea. Show us all what partisan hacks they are, too. Partisan hacks and tools trying to save lives.
And when some of our fellow citizens get sick again because you restarted shit too soon—as they’re struggling to breathe without ventilators we don’t have—be sure to let them know their lives are a sacrifice they just have to make so the vaunted economy won’t suffer too long. Call them partisan hacks and tools when they object with their dying gasps.
And make sure you refuse medical treatment if you get sick yourself. Don’t wanna ruin the economy after all! Only partisan hacks and tools care about living.
But you don’t have the balls to get out on the front lines and show us how it’s done, because you and your other tough-talking cronies are gutless hypocrites. Nothing but a bunch of keyboard warriors who claim to be “conservative”, but sure are liberal about telling other people what they need to do with their lives.
Put your money where your mouth is...get out there and tell the pussies at the NYC hospitals they need to suck it up and get back to work or go tell Fauci he’s a partisan hack and tool. Or just sit there and prove me right that you’re not gonna do a damn thing except continue to be a worthless troll.
Have a nice life, phony.
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Wanting to start getting back to normal isn’t a bad thing, but you are writing the story before it’s written. Don’t we all want out of this mess? No matter who you vote for
I’m not writing anything, the timetable came from Fauci and Trump’s medical people. They’re the ones saying his Easter scenario is too aggressive. He’s apparently trying to halve the 8-week recommendation. My guess is that’s why he reduced their initial 50-person gathering limit down to 10. I’d hate to see him pull the plug on this too soon for the wrong reasons, and let us fall back to where Italy is.
Absolutely everybody wants out of this ASAP, but it’s also equally apparent patience and time are 2 of the biggest keys to beating it.
I hope so, too.
Incidentally, I wanted to answer a question and address a misconception you had on another thread a few weeks ago when things were first shutting down. The topic was how a number of people here were immediately accusing the biggest businesses of buying media hype on this and shutting down unnecessarily.
I responded to another poster and said something like “Do you ever remember Disneyland, pro sports, Hollywood, casinos, etc. shutting down all at once like this?” You responded with something like “Doesn’t that prove the other guy’s point because they didn’t do this for H1N1 or anything?”
The answer is no, it doesn’t prove his point. Your misconception was that you and he and some others mistakenly think gazillion-dollar corporations like Disney, MGM Grand, sports leagues, movie studios, and all the rest make decisions like this based on liberal media hype. They don’t.
Ultra-lucrative companies make decisions like this for one reason only, and it’s the most capitalist, right-wing reason of all—money. I know because I work for one of them. The only reason an ATM like Disneyland shuts down voluntarily is when the mega-millions they reap every single day is suddenly outweighed by the potential of billions in overnight liability if they don’t.
What I was trying to tell the other person in so many words was this: If you ever want the best evidence of when we’re in real trouble, just watch for what the biggest, wealthiest corporations do because their actions will tell you. None of the sports leagues or Hollywood or Disneyland or anything shut down here for H1N1 because their boards and actuaries knew it wasn’t serious trouble for the bottom line. This time they all did, and that told me immediately this was for real.
And just to give you a piece of the timeline for the sport in which I work, the league did not shut us down until the night of the 11th/morning of the 12th. CDC briefed our medical staff on the 6th, I had my first shutdown conversation with our GM on the 7th. Even then I didn’t think it would actually come to pass, but unfortunately everything took off at warp speed from there.
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If they got to keep their funding instead of seeing it go to Jimbo Dogrescueer in BumFvckEgypt, WV, they probably could.
Blue states subsidize red states.
Raven is only saying that because it’s true.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-china-record-shows-why-he-cant-be-president/
Think about car dealerships. Most are leveraged to the hilt with their floor plans. I’m sure they are working out deals with their lenders. But what about the salesmen? Most have minimal draws.
Another liberal lie.
The federal gov't. steals money from the red states just as much as they do the blue states.
Just because the feds purposely forced this system on everyone doesn't mean that anyone asked them to.
Truth has no place on a message boardThey aren't "two different things." I think you mean that hydroxychloroquine is derived from chloroquine and are different chemicals. They are very similar and are used for the same indications. But the woman said later when interviewed that she got the idea from hearing the president speak about the drug. Trump did mention chloroquine (along with hydroxychloroquine) as being the cure. The husband thought that taking a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner would be a good idea. Turns out that a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner contained a lethal dose of the drug.
So did Trump tell these people to consume aquarium cleaner and is, thus, directly at fault? No. Are these people idiots? Yes. Should Trump, with his laymen at best knowledge of pharmacology, go on stage and proclaim that a drug that has very little evidence from a very small case study is a miracle cure? No, because stupid people will do things like this.
If nothing else the coronavirus calamity has shown one thing to me. It's that an alarmingly high percentage of humans will talk out of their ass about subjects they know absolutely nothing about with such conviction that they actually know what they are talking about. The media does it (Fox News, MSNBC, and, to a lesser extent, the non crazy media). The president does it. Random idiots on Twitter do it.
I wish everyone would just shut the hell up and listen to experts. It's classic Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
And everyone seems to be permanently stuck on naively confident 24/7.
Edit: rewrote the first paragraph to lower confusion as to what I meant.
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