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[Original Mountaineer1]

i didn't really know much about Antifa before last week. I didn't even realize their was an organized group that engages Nazis and the KKK. It appears that the first groups came together to fight against fascism in pre-war Europe. Historically they are socialist and communists. Antifa in the US seems to have been formed to counteract the White Supremists of all kinds. Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right? I can't find anything where they advocate rounding up blacks, Jews, Latinos and Hispanics and either harming them or relocating them. I don't see where they advocate a violent take over of the government. Although I am sure they have participated in BLM and Occupy Wall Street protests and demonstrations.

Again I know little about them other that what I read about them over the last 18 hours. But from what I have read, I can't figure out why the right media and politicians like Trump are calling out Antifa for role but yet seem sympathetic or at least tolerant of the hate spewing nazis and KKK. Shouldn't the message universally be that these alt-right hate groups and all White Nationalists should be scorned and disavowed. Every American should stand against these hate groups. Shouldn't we at least acknowledge a group like Antifa that is willing to stand up to them!? Shouldn't we try to stop this spread of white supremecy before it grows deeper roots? Again other than the identified White Nationalist on this forum, shouldn't every American stand up and face-off against these far right hate groups? And why does the right media and consider Antifa to be more of a threat politically than hate groups that state publicly their desire harm anyone non-aryan?

 

[TarHeelEer]

i didn't really know much about Antifa before last week. I didn't even realize their was an organized group that engages Nazis and the KKK. It appears that the first groups came together to fight against fascism in pre-war Europe. Historically they are socialist and communists. Antifa in the US seems to have been formed to counteract the White Supremists of all kinds. Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right? I can't find anything where they advocate rounding up blacks, Jews, Latinos and Hispanics and either harming them or relocating them. I don't see where they advocate a violent take over of the government. Although I am sure they have participated in BLM and Occupy Wall Street protests and demonstrations.

Again I know little about them other that what I read about them over the last 18 hours. But from what I have read, I can't figure out why the right media and politicians like Trump are calling out Antifa for role but yet seem sympathetic or at least tolerant of the hate spewing nazis and KKK. Shouldn't the message universally be that these alt-right hate groups and all White Nationalists should be scorned and disavowed. Every American should stand against these hate groups. Shouldn't we at least acknowledge a group like Antifa that is willing to stand up to them!? Shouldn't we try to stop this spread of white supremecy before it grows deeper roots? Again other than the identified White Nationalist on this forum, shouldn't every American stand up and face-off against these far right hate groups? And why does the right media and consider Antifa to be more of a threat politically than hate groups that state publicly their desire harm anyone non-aryan?

Ya'll are fracking nuts. Trump hasn't been tolerant of the KKK, he has continually denounced their actions.

He also denounces Antifa's and other alt-left groups actions. The half-crazy left then says because he denounces the alt-left, that Trump is now alt-right. Makes no sense.

 

[moe]

i didn't really know much about Antifa before last week. I didn't even realize their was an organized group that engages Nazis and the KKK. It appears that the first groups came together to fight against fascism in pre-war Europe. Historically they are socialist and communists. Antifa in the US seems to have been formed to counteract the White Supremists of all kinds. Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right? I can't find anything where they advocate rounding up blacks, Jews, Latinos and Hispanics and either harming them or relocating them. I don't see where they advocate a violent take over of the government. Although I am sure they have participated in BLM and Occupy Wall Street protests and demonstrations.

Again I know little about them other that what I read about them over the last 18 hours. But from what I have read, I can't figure out why the right media and politicians like Trump are calling out Antifa for role but yet seem sympathetic or at least tolerant of the hate spewing nazis and KKK. Shouldn't the message universally be that these alt-right hate groups and all White Nationalists should be scorned and disavowed. Every American should stand against these hate groups. Shouldn't we at least acknowledge a group like Antifa that is willing to stand up to them!? Shouldn't we try to stop this spread of white supremecy before it grows deeper roots? Again other than the identified White Nationalist on this forum, shouldn't every American stand up and face-off against these far right hate groups? And why does the right media and consider Antifa to be more of a threat politically than hate groups that state publicly their desire harm anyone non-aryan?

Solid post. That's pretty much my understanding of it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Ya'll are fracking nuts. Trump hasn't been tolerant of the KKK, he has continually denounced their actions.

He also denounces Antifa's and other alt-left groups actions. The half-crazy left then says because he denounces the alt-left, that Trump is now alt-right. Makes no sense.

lol

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Ya'll are fracking nuts. Trump hasn't been tolerant of the KKK, he has continually denounced their actions.

He also denounces Antifa's and other alt-left groups actions. The half-crazy left then says because he denounces the alt-left, that Trump is now alt-right. Makes no sense.

We all know the outcome of the nazi or KKK groups gain additional footholds: Right? So why is Antifa comparable to the groups I mentioned above?

 

[TarHeelEer]

They are socialists and communists, Soros funded. They have been violent in most of their encounters. Remember the bike lock professor? They are not just violent against white supremacists, they are violent against anything right.

Our Constitution is built to allow anyone to say their peace, no matter what it is, even if it is racists. Countering that philosophy with violence is the biggest issue of this whole mess. This is a can of worms that should have never been opened.

But yet you morons from the left applaud it. They should've been ignored, not confronted.

 

[wvu2007]

lol

LOL!

 

[wvu2007]

i didn't really know much about Antifa before last week. I didn't even realize their was an organized group that engages Nazis and the KKK. It appears that the first groups came together to fight against fascism in pre-war Europe. Historically they are socialist and communists. Antifa in the US seems to have been formed to counteract the White Supremists of all kinds. Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right? I can't find anything where they advocate rounding up blacks, Jews, Latinos and Hispanics and either harming them or relocating them. I don't see where they advocate a violent take over of the government. Although I am sure they have participated in BLM and Occupy Wall Street protests and demonstrations.

Again I know little about them other that what I read about them over the last 18 hours. But from what I have read, I can't figure out why the right media and politicians like Trump are calling out Antifa for role but yet seem sympathetic or at least tolerant of the hate spewing nazis and KKK. Shouldn't the message universally be that these alt-right hate groups and all White Nationalists should be scorned and disavowed. Every American should stand against these hate groups. Shouldn't we at least acknowledge a group like Antifa that is willing to stand up to them!? Shouldn't we try to stop this spread of white supremecy before it grows deeper roots? Again other than the identified White Nationalist on this forum, shouldn't every American stand up and face-off against these far right hate groups? And why does the right media and consider Antifa to be more of a threat politically than hate groups that state publicly their desire harm anyone non-aryan?

 

[moe]

They are socialists and communists, Soros funded. They have been violent in most of their encounters. Remember the bike lock professor? They are not just violent against white supremacists, they are violent against anything right.

Our Constitution is built to allow anyone to say their peace, no matter what it is, even if it is racists. Countering that philosophy with violence is the biggest issue of this whole mess. This is a can of worms that should have never been opened.

But yet you morons from the left applaud it. They should've been ignored, not confronted.

What do you know about the counter protesters at Charlottesville? zero is the answer. All you know is something that you read on Infowars. How would you know if some person gave some of them some gas money? Can you name any of the counter protestors? Show me the Soros paper trail for the Charlottesville counter protestors. Did you watch the Charlottesville video from the night before when they were marching? I heard all the hate speech and it sure seemed like they were getting their neo Nazi message out loud and clear so no one was infringing on their rights to free speech. The rumble was the next day of course. You say ignore these folks which sounds very nice but obviously it's not practical advice. The neo Nazis will be opposed at every gathering by Joe six pack or by organized counter protestors. We're just going to see alot more of them now in cities foolish enough to let them hold rallies because they think that Trump and the other white nationalists in the White House have their backs.

 

[rog1187]

but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right?

Well the answer would be no that is not their agenda. You need to read up on who supports them and what other groups are under the Antifa and Jihad Left flag(s). Socialists and Communists mostly if not all...and I rather not have them around either.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

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But yet you morons from the left applaud it. They should've been ignored, not confronted.

Agreed. We should bury our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist. Foolproof plan, IMO.

 

[rog1187]

Agreed. We should bury our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist. Foolproof plan, IMO.

Ignore - no...but violent confrontations do not truly help...I think it only emboldens them.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right?

Not right. In fact they have mostly been about shutting up conservative voices (Ben Shapiro, Man Coulter, etc) and destruction of private property.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Ignore - no...but violent confrontations do not truly help...I think it only emboldens them.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but they would definitely need to be prepared. It's not like the Nazis showed up with Bibles and love.

 

[PriddyBoy]

They are socialists and communists, Soros funded. They have been violent in most of their encounters. Remember the bike lock professor? They are not just violent against white supremacists, they are violent against anything right.

Our Constitution is built to allow anyone to say their peace, no matter what it is, even if it is racists. Countering that philosophy with violence is the biggest issue of this whole mess. This is a can of worms that should have never been opened.

But yet you morons from the left applaud it. They should've been ignored, not confronted.

They put knives on the end of boards. They stabbed a "racist" horse at the inauguration. They are violent criminals; mostly communists. Those aren't American values. They are authoritarian, identity politics, think bubble fascists. The more liberal sympathy they can get, the better, imo. Democrats should distance themselves from Antifa as quickly as possible, but probably won't. Racism and Neo-Nazi are/were on the way out; they were gasping for air until Obama. They are still fringe, but getting plenty of media attention. Antifa is growing, but not for long I pray.

 

[TarHeelEer]

What do you know about the counter protesters at Charlottesville? zero is the answer. All you know is something that you read on Infowars. How would you know if some person gave some of them some gas money? Can you name any of the counter protestors? Show me the Soros paper trail for the Charlottesville counter protestors. Did you watch the Charlottesville video from the night before when they were marching? I heard all the hate speech and it sure seemed like they were getting their neo Nazi message out loud and clear so no one was infringing on their rights to free speech. The rumble was the next day of course. You say ignore these folks which sounds very nice but obviously it's not practical advice. The neo Nazis will be opposed at every gathering by Joe six pack or by organized counter protestors. We're just going to see alot more of them now in cities foolish enough to let them hold rallies because they think that Trump and the other white nationalists in the White House have their backs.

My Soros conjecture is more documented than your white nationalists in the White House conjecture.

 

[moe]

white nationalists in the White House

 

[WVUCOOPER]

My Soros conjecture is more documented than your white nationalists in the White House conjecture.

I had no idea people were so afraid of an old man. Is he Illuminati or what?

 

[PriddyBoy]

I had no idea people were so afraid of an old man. Is he Illuminati or what?

He is Money.

 

[Mntneer]

Prove it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

He is Money.

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lol. You people remind me of liberals afraid of the Kochs and the Mercers. Good stuff.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Well the answer would be no that is not their agenda. You need to read up on who supports them and what other groups are under the Antifa and Jihad Left flag(s). Socialists and Communists mostly if not all...and I rather not have them around either.

Mainstream America doesn't want KKK, Nazis or Socialist/Communists. Most of here can agree on that point. Sure there are factions of this group that are violent and anti-government. We witnessed the violent faction in C-Ville when groups showed up armed and ready to fight. However, but there appear to be many that that stand up against hate and bigotry that are lumped into the Antifa group. So still can't understand why they are placed on the same moral plane as Nazis who preach hate, bigotry, and violence across many cultural and religious groups. So would groups such as Greenpeace be considered a part of Antifa? BLM?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

He is Money.

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Just realized you are citing a James Woods tweet. lol. Another A+

 

[PriddyBoy]

Here's a starting point on Soros for people who actually want knowledge. But by all means continue the snipe fest from inside your thought bubbles.

People, come together and stop with the uneducated party talking points.<<start learning shit

 

[WVUCOOPER]

<<start learning shit

What a post, considering you posted a tweet from noted scholar James Woods inferring Soros was a Nazi. I'm gonna pass on your "duck duck go" link.

 

[moe]

He is Money.

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So he's a Nazi who funds groups that oppose Nazis?

 

[PriddyBoy]

What a post, considering you posted a tweet from noted scholar James Woods inferring Soros was a Nazi. I'm gonna pass on your "duck duck go" link.

Figures

Agreed. We should bury our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist. Foolproof plan, IMO.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

So he's a Nazi who funds groups that oppose Nazis?

Awww. He took down his tweet. Don't you dare doubt actor James Woods!

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Figures

Sorry. Google shareholder here. Just looking out for my future. Does your link also claim Soros is a Nazi by using a picture of Oskar Groening?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Ya'll are fracking nuts. Trump hasn't been tolerant of the KKK, he has continually denounced their actions.

He also denounces Antifa's and other alt-left groups actions. The half-crazy left then says because he denounces the alt-left, that Trump is now alt-right. Makes no sense.

You can't appoint Steve Bannon as your Chief Strategist and then claim you aren't tolerant of those groups. Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke referred to Bannon's appointment as "excellent" and Peter Brimelow, who runs the white nationalist site VDARE, called it "amazing." Bannon told Mother Jones, "We're the platform for the alt-right." And in many cases the views of the alt-right are viewed as anti-Semitic and white nationalist. Right? Of is that just a twisted leftist view of Breitbart?

 

[moe]

Prove it.

at a minimum sympathetic. I think the following is pretty close. And Hemmer, the University of Virginia professor, said the term she would use is "white nationalist-adjacent. Their biographies and rhetoric signal to white nationalists that they have friends in the White House. Put another way, they're not Richard Spencers or David Dukes, but they make the Richard Spencers and David Dukes feel more comfortable with the administration."

Are there white nationalists in the White House?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../15/are-there-white-nationalists-white-house/

 

[PriddyBoy]

Do you want Whites, Jews, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. in the White House to not be Nationalists. This is a problem with our country, too many people no longer know what Nationalism is. Soros/globalists pleased.

 

[rog1187]

Mainstream America doesn't want KKK, Nazis or Socialist/Communists. Most of here can agree on that point. Sure there are factions of this group that are violent and anti-government. We witnessed the violent faction in C-Ville when groups showed up armed and ready to fight. However, but there appear to be many that that stand up against hate and bigotry that are lumped into the Antifa group. So still can't understand why they are placed on the same moral plane as Nazis who preach hate, bigotry, and violence across many cultural and religious groups. So would groups such as Greenpeace be considered a part of Antifa? BLM?

I would bet that there were some people at C-Ville who were there to counter the Nazi/WS group(s) didn't get involved with the violence...I wouldn't put them in the same boat as either group...I also wouldn't put people that want to keep the statues where they are in either group.

 

[bornaneer]

i didn't really know much about Antifa before last week. I didn't even realize their was an organized group that engages Nazis and the KKK. It appears that the first groups came together to fight against fascism in pre-war Europe. Historically they are socialist and communists. Antifa in the US seems to have been formed to counteract the White Supremists of all kinds. Definitely these groups are far left and have participated in violent acts, but their agenda in the US is generally to combat Nazis, KKK, and other hate groups. Right? I can't find anything where they advocate rounding up blacks, Jews, Latinos and Hispanics and either harming them or relocating them. I don't see where they advocate a violent take over of the government. Although I am sure they have participated in BLM and Occupy Wall Street protests and demonstrations.

Again I know little about them other that what I read about them over the last 18 hours. But from what I have read, I can't figure out why the right media and politicians like Trump are calling out Antifa for role but yet seem sympathetic or at least tolerant of the hate spewing nazis and KKK. Shouldn't the message universally be that these alt-right hate groups and all White Nationalists should be scorned and disavowed. Every American should stand against these hate groups. Shouldn't we at least acknowledge a group like Antifa that is willing to stand up to them!? Shouldn't we try to stop this spread of white supremecy before it grows deeper roots? Again other than the identified White Nationalist on this forum, shouldn't every American stand up and face-off against these far right hate groups? And why does the right media and consider Antifa to be more of a threat politically than hate groups that state publicly their desire harm anyone non-aryan?

You just don't get it.....and you most likely never will because you aren't interested in the truth. You kind of had me fooled....but it's clear what your agenda is. Name me ONE member of team Trump that was sympathetic to any hate group. You,like many others, are so focused micro-analyzing every Trump comment that you conveniently feign no knowledge of what other Presidents have said in the past. Go ahead and wrap your arms around a bunch of anarchist Marxists whose goal is destroying democracies. They are as bad as the kkk, nazis and white supremacists.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Sorry. Google shareholder here. Just looking out for my future. Does your link also claim Soros is a Nazi by using a picture of Oskar Groening?

Here's your Gurgle<<<

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Do you want Whites, Jews, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. in the White House to not be Nationalists. This is a problem with our country, too many people no longer know what Nationalism is. Soros/globalists pleased.

Come on Priddy you are better than that. White supremacists have adopt the "nationalism" label as part of their name and therefore associated it with White Supremacy. Just like the KKK adopted/bastardized a Confederate Battle flags their symbol and turned it into a symbol of hate.

 

[Op2]

I don't know exactly how far antifa spreads but I know their group in California uses violence to suppress speech they disagree with and AFAIC nothing else matters. If you violently suppress speech you disagree with then whatever other redeeming qualities you might have they're not redeeming enough.

The problem is at this stage of the discussion things usually go in the direction of, white nationalists are willing to use violence to suppress speech too, as if I have to choose between the two and I should pick antifa. I don't have to pick between the two. Who's better, Stalin or Hitler? I don't care because they're both bad I'm not siding with either of them (well, unless a world war breaks out, in which case I'll side with Stalin for a bit to defeat Hitler, but after Hitler is defeated I'm against Stalin).

Free speech is gradually being lost in this country. The loudest voices on both sides no longer even pay lip service to it. We desperately need a prominent person to forcefully champion free speech in this country.

Let me be clear, I have no idea who those counterprotesters in VA were or how they were behaving and I'm not saying anything about them.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Here's your Gurgle<<<

Thanks. It proves what I've been saying ITT. A made up bogeyman.

 

[Mntneer]

at a minimum sympathetic. I think the following is pretty close. And Hemmer, the University of Virginia professor, said the term she would use is "white nationalist-adjacent. Their biographies and rhetoric signal to white nationalists that they have friends in the White House. Put another way, they're not Richard Spencers or David Dukes, but they make the Richard Spencers and David Dukes feel more comfortable with the administration."

Are there white nationalists in the White House?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../15/are-there-white-nationalists-white-house/

That proves what? Prove to me that Bannon has acted in anti-semitic/racist ways, or even give me specific quotes that are anti-semitic/racist.

Proof.... not conjecture.... not allegations... proof.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

That proves what? Prove to me that Bannon has acted in anti-semitic/racist ways, or even give me specific quotes that are anti-semitic/racist.

Proof.... not conjecture.... not allegations... proof.

You'd deny it anyway. I don't think Bannon is racist/anti-semitic. Look at his conversation with the liberal reporter that he didn't realize would be turned in to a story. He mocked the white nationalists and called them losers. However, he does exploit them and push their agenda. He even bragged about what Breitbart did for the alt-right.