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I thought they would be around 14.They are a 21 point early favorite. I thought they would be around 6. What am I missing?
Likely the same as much of the fanbase. We return a lot of the same talent and coaching that got smacked by Penn State last year. I hope for better, but don’t see it happening under Brown.They are a 21 point early favorite. I thought they would be around 6. What am I missing?
Don't see it happening under any coach.Likely the same as much of the fanbase. We return a lot of the same talent and coaching that got smacked by Penn State last year. I hope for better, but don’t see it happening under Brown.
You know what is funny. Go back and look at RR YEARS. Don took heat because he couldn't beat Miami and VT. RR had a couple nice wins against VT but he lost last 2 and he never beat Miami.Don't see it happening under any coach.
PSU 49-9-2 in the series.
I have never been delusional about WVU. WVU has never been one to win the big games. There have been some but not many. Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year. No more than 8 wins. Seven more than likely.Likely the same as much of the fanbase. We return a lot of the same talent and coaching that got smacked by Penn State last year. I hope for better, but don’t see it happening under Brown.
If he doesn't win 8 they should fire him. But it's not my call.I have never been delusional about WVU. WVU has never been one to win the big games. There have been some but not many. Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year. No more than 8 wins. Seven more than likely.
They extended him. They know it's not as attractive as a job as 20 years ago. Recruiting is a nightmare. They are already pimping this schedule as being much more difficult to cover for a possible mediocre season.!
If he doesn't win 8 they should fire him. But it's not my call.
I agree, 7 is likely. 6 may even be realistic.I have never been delusional about WVU. WVU has never been one to win the big games. There have been some but not many. Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year. No more than 8 wins. Seven more than likely.
Wvu rarely wins on the road. Travel is tough in this conference.I agree, 7 is likely. 6 may even be realistic.
I'm just hoping we can beat KansasYou know what is funny. Go back and look at RR YEARS. Don took heat because he couldn't beat Miami and VT. RR had a couple nice wins against VT but he lost last 2 and he never beat Miami.
All teams travel the same. Travel is an excuse. Being good and winning takes care of that.Wvu rarely wins on the road. Travel is tough in this conference.
What is the rational basis for such a profound declaration?!
If he doesn't win 8 they should fire him. But it's not my call.
We acquired a lot better talent too.Likely the same as much of the fanbase. We return a lot of the same talent and coaching that got smacked by Penn State last year. I hope for better, but don’t see it happening under Brown.
I don't understand this negativity.They extended him. They know it's not as attractive as a job as 20 years ago. Recruiting is a nightmare. They are already pimping this schedule as being much more difficult to cover for a possible mediocre season.
"Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year."I have never been delusional about WVU. WVU has never been one to win the big games. There have been some but not many. Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year. No more than 8 wins. Seven more than likely.
Was hearing several predictions like this last year (and even some fewer than 6). And, we ended up winning 9. So what is actually realistic?I agree, 7 is likely. 6 may even be realistic.
using occam's razor to put total blame on coaches for wins and losses is a mindless exerciseLikely the same as much of the fanbase. We return a lot of the same talent and coaching that got smacked by Penn State last year. I hope for better, but don’t see it happening under Brown.
That is a fair point, but also a fair counterpoint would be that I don’t anticipate the number of teams on our schedule this upcoming season to be down again. I don’t think 6 or 7 wins would be a disappointment myself. I just have a feeling it’s well below the average fans expectation.We acquired a lot better talent too.
Why isn't that being factored in?
My post did factor both talent and coaching, but read into it how you will.using occam's razor to put total blame on coaches for wins and losses is a mindless exercise
we now have a competitive NIL entity in place....we lost five starters on defense to other programs..WVU coaches were having to recruit and retain players with one hand tied behind their backs...you can believe what you want..I believe that Neal Brown is a very good coach..he defeated Nebraska and LSU at Troy something WVU has never done..BTW LSU was ranked when Troy beat them @ LSUI don't understand this negativity.
WVU is set up to be a lot better team than last year.
What's your rational for being a .500 team?What is the rational basis for such a profound declaration?
so I guess we should drop the football programThey extended him. They know it's not as attractive as a job as 20 years ago. Recruiting is a nightmare. They are already pimping this schedule as being much more difficult to cover for a possible mediocre season.
Was hearing several predictions like this last year (and even some fewer than 6). And, we ended up winning 9. So what is actually realistic?
I picked 9 last year.Was hearing several predictions like this last year (and even some fewer than 6). And, we ended up winning 9. So what is actually realistic?
No. I think we as fans need to be more realistic.so I guess we should drop the football program
I think travel hurts teams with little depth. WVU has to travel a little further than most. Big 12 coaches have openly expressed how much they hate the trip to Morgantown.All teams travel the same. Travel is an excuse. Being good and winning takes care of that.
NIL says different. Realistic no longer exist in college sports. You're being paid then perform or get out. The 8 wins should always be the minimum.No. I think we as fans need to be more realistic.
If the secondary jells.seven games at home for the first time in years will help
you're arguing with yourself..if another program lures away players with more money there's nothing the coaches can do.... players never even speak to the coaches about entering the portal, they just notify the compliance officeNIL says different. Realistic no longer exist in college sports. You're being paid then perform or get out. The 8 wins should always be the minimum.
It's really an effed up ordeal.you're arguing with yourself..if another program lures away players with more money there's nothing the coaches can do.... players never even speak to the coaches about entering the portal, they just notify the compliance office
We won't really know until the season gets going as teams are sometimes better or worse than billed when looking at the schedule in the offseason. Fact is that had 2023 WVU football played the same caliber Big 12 schedule as 2019, 2020, 2021, or 2022 WVU football did, then 6 wins or worse is the most likely outcome last year. And that bowl win against UNC without Drake Maye means as much as Syracuse whipping us in 2018 without Will Grier. The hope is that you can create a program that, based upon historical averages of the teams in the conference, you can say averages 8 wins a year and thus expect around that going into any given season.No. I think we as fans need to be more realistic.
They are a 21 point early favorite. I thought they would be around 6. What am I missing?
I think PSU probably wins the game but i see them winning by 7-10 points. I think WVU will be competitive. I would take WVU with the 21 points. When it comes to the season, I think we win between 7-9 games. The schedule appears to be tougher on paper. We will have to see if that's actually the case. Most of the difficult games are at home and outside of the PSU game none of the other teams we face have an overwhelming talent advantage against us.I have never been delusional about WVU. WVU has never been one to win the big games. There have been some but not many. Teams are going to be ready for Greene this year. No more than 8 wins. Seven more than likely.
Tit for tat they steal yours you steal theirs.you're arguing with yourself..if another program lures away players with more money there's nothing the coaches can do.... players never even speak to the coaches about entering the portal, they just notify the compliance office
we weren't stealing anyone... Lyons was concerned with NCAA compliance so WVU was late getting to the NIL table..high school recruits were making deals with other schools while WVU didn't even have any for the current playersTit for tat they steal yours you steal theirs.
Once again I guess we should scrap the program. Poor ole WVU a day late and a dollar short.we weren't stealing anyone... Lyons was concerned with NCAA compliance so WVU was late getting to the NIL table..high school recruits were making deals with other schools while WVU didn't even have any for the current players
I’m guessing 6 wins. Who knowsI think PSU probably wins the game but i see them winning by 7-10 points. I think WVU will be competitive. I would take WVU with the 21 points. When it comes to the season, I think we win between 7-9 games. The schedule appears to be tougher on paper. We will have to see if that's actually the case. Most of the difficult games are at home and outside of the PSU game none of the other teams we face have an overwhelming talent advantage against us.
He’s not saying to scrap the program.Once again I guess we should scrap the program. Poor ole WVU a day late and a dollar short.